okay, if it doesn't though do you think you could try changing the eyes a bit?
I think that's what really is creepin' me. ^_^

Yikes! Good to hear everything's okay and very much appreciate your dedication.

Go ahead and finish the piece with the current eye. You are the artist and have a better view of the completed piece, so you would have a better Idea of what would and would not look good in the composition.
However, when its all said and done, if it still bothers me, I will ask you to change it.

Even if you like it, and consider the piece broken with the eye any other way, you're not the one paying for it.

Overall, I do actually like it. the crack is awesome, and it is a vast improvement on the Skolver's image. But I'm not sure it goes with the tone I'm looking for.

just wow

okay, if going by the original estimates here the total for the piece is about 4250ce. that's adding a 1kce premium for the custom style as well. on top of that, I'm fairly pleased with your frequent communication and you reached the deadline with no problem. So, I've gone ahead and added another 250ce to the total ^_^.

although...I have to say, the eye is still bothering me, do you think you could please make it into a Happy eye? (^_^)

if you could do that, I could absolutely see a 500ce bonus.

also, if you where interested in expanding the piece, with a deadline of thanksgiving, I will pay up to 5kce additional for additional characters, scene, and snipes.

well, Im off to see punkin king some more, toodles!

Thanks Maxwing! if you ever need anything let me know!
Its nice to know that there are still players out there not just looking to line their pockets.
And you won't regret this either, if ever I hear of someone looking to get a commission, I know exactly where to send them ^_^.

Although, I gotta say, even though you won't accept payment for this awesome piece, don't be surprise if someone slips you a little extra ce in trade or pm from time to time ^_^.

One good turn deserves another.

Well, Im off to hunt down some more candeh! ciao!

lol wut? you said you didn't want my ce ?_?
if you've change you mind, I'm more than happy to send it to you ^_^

THIS PIECE IS NO LONGER REFERRED TO AZRAELWING

as he didn't pay fot it.

That's a pretty cheap move Azrael. The way I see it, you acted like you were satisfied with what Max produced even though it didn't follow your original plan. Also, way to edit your OP to remove some key details, like the commission price.

intereating, I never said I was disatisfied with the quality, And I was never shown the complete piece or sketches of the comple piece. merely portions or sections. I did not complain about this as I trusted that all requeated elements would be present. also if I omited the oringianl price...then why have I included links to my reference as well as state what the initial expectes price was

And if youve seen his work you can understand my behavior XD Max is a wiz with a digital brush. he showed me azrael, looked awesome. then the background then the fountain....and then the completed piece with the punking 2 knights and a devilite in the background. and everthing I saw up to the final being posted was part of my orginal plan, so im not sure what you're really seeing.

and max if you would like to work out a contract id be perfectly willing to do so. the real question is if you are. and if you can continue with tue same effort you initially had.
because honestly, after this rather obscene behavior Im not sure you can, let alone will.

and as far as "interpritation" goes thats not really my fault. I told you what wanted. idk why you didn't show me a sketch for the knights and punking, you did it for everything else, so why stop? and its not like im refusing to pay you. im refusing to pay you *for work you did not do* i am absolutely willing to pay you for what you did do. and even then I paid you a bonus for the extreme quality.

lastly. if you did this for fun, why the circus? why complain about pay? if you where going to do it for fun, why not just say so in the first place?

because I asked for certain details to be preaent...I was paying for those details...so if they're not there...why should I pay for them?

and thats exactly what you're doing. youre trying to get me to pay full price for partial work. you juat keep tryong to claim its complete and that I shouls juat pay what you want me to pay.

and you're only downgrading if im offering you less ce for the same amount of work. thats not the case. I am offering you less ce for less work.
if you wanted to be paid in full you should have done thw work in full.

and the center of the piece is my knight....and hes not exactly yours...but I gave tou permission to use him in what was to be my commiasion. and you cant say that isn't my knight 'cus well, ive got screenies of you stating that fact. on your da page. with my knight on it...so...yup. you decided to do this, so ill end it. as long as you attempt to claim that piece to not be of my knight you have no such ownership nor right to display my knight in that piece. unless you remove all indication and identification of the knight in the final work as being my knight. whats even better is you have to fight yourself gven that I have screenies of both the final, ands concpet sketches.

now, if youre ready to finally act professionally, please, just take the ce you have earned, and the ce I still wish to reward you for your skill, and walk away. you can display The commssion as you please, as will I. sweet and simple. sure I don't get all the awesome I asked for, and yes I get some I didn't. but you get the ce you earned., and some of which you deserve. and we both have an awesome piece of art. I will of course reference you as the artist. you, me the knight. so, maxwing can we please call this settled?

My knight is my knight. he is the only spiral knight with the name azraelwing. he is currently the only knight with my particular combination of armor and accessories. you have drawn a piece and claimed it is azraelwing. you have also referenced me as the owner of said knight.

So, you said that the knight is mine as well ^_^.

Now, as far as ugly goes, that's why I requested sketches or examples of past work. I liked your style, so I commissioned you.
I told you what I was looking for, when I would like it by, and how much I would pay.
You accepted and said you would be able to complete the piece, by the deadline, for that price.

Now, have I ever said I did not appreciate your work? no. I have praised you in nearly every post.

And the point of the matter is simple:
I will not pay you 100% of the agreed upon price, if you have fulfilled only 25% of the work.
I have actually payed you 45% of the agreed price for that 25%. and that was specifically because what you had done was so good. And, if you had noticed that in the first place, you may have considered that if you HAD completed the entire request, the you probably would have mad a substantial bonus. but instead, you decided after the fact that the piece was worth more, so you did less to even it out. plain and simple.

and please quit trying to pass off your dissatisfaction as blowing the whistle on a scam.

then you don't have permission to display my knight.

good point, you're absolutely right oats.
although I did just realize something rather obvious.
Check this out =D
So, I can display your work as much as I please. As long as I credit Maximo, and I gain no benefit from it.
and that's that.

nope, not a lick of guilt(see what I did there oats ;3)
its a very nice piece displaying my knight, and I intend to show it off. it would be poor not too.

I'll spin the record yet again: you did not complete what you agreed to.
I have offered to pay you for what you have completed, and you have sent me back what I paid you with the claim that what you have done is worth the full price. and that you'll take nothing less.

I have expressed that yes your work is excellent. but it does not have all the elements I have requested. and in turn I have offered additional payment to have those elements added. but you have continued to complain that I am scamming you, that I'm stealing your work, making small jabs in attempt to somehow earn a moral foothold.

Let me revise the original verse:
I will not pay you for an incomplete request, unless you agree to complete it per the original agreement. at which time, I will pay you double the original price in order to pay respect for your obvious skill.

I will still require updates, but that is no different than what you have already been doing. merely glimpses of the completed piece, although this time, I would prefer it if I could preview all or at least most of the components so that I may be better prepared for the final product.

And, as an added measure, I will not expect to see the final piece without paying at least half of the 20kce. Mind you I won't pay 10kce unless I like what you have shown me leading up to the final piece.

So, are you willing to rescind your current vendetta? Or are we going to sit here, me enjoying the art I already have, wishing for what could have been, and you glaring at me from across the room, with a wallet lighter than it could be. As opposed to me dancing on the ceiling with glee, and you alongside? =D

I'll go one step further to express my earnest, say yes within your next 3 replies , and Ill do up to 40kce. AND Ill pay you 10kce for the work you have already done.

HERE a piece that contains ALL of your wanted details

one question- how did you came out with the 4200 ce offer?

you're just quoting the op.
Don't you remember discussing what I was looking for?
If not, let me refresh, and yes some of these are details I had suggested as hints for the sketches, but that was to give an open forum for the artist to choose from.
My knight, in his prismatic gear handing out presents.
several additional knights, low detail. several in line, and several in the general area discussing their gifts, the knights in line didn't even really need a lot of detail.
A few monsters as well with gifts, in particular zombehs and mewkats
Ghostly Snipes, thise omission was a major deal breaker.
and NBC scenery.

You got my knight and the scenery primo. I loved em, (save for the eye, which you already knew).
but then you had 2 additional knights. one walking up, and one walking away, a devilite, and punkin king. oh and the shadow of one of the pk minions.
None of which I got to see until the final reveal.

i saw the work of Maxwing when he was working on it, and let me say the work was being built up pretty well on every sketch max show me.

most of the stuff its there but you dont specifcally says you wanted zombies, and spookats or ghostly snipes. at least not on your original post that seems to be modified. also if you wanted that you have all the right to tell maxwing while he was working on the sketches because thats why you commissioned Maxwing.

i agree what oat and hawk said, if the pic wasnt like you wanted its most your fault to not tell maxwing what you specifically wanted on it. you only praised it but you never say "its awesome but you think you can remove this and add this instead?" and things like that.

@maxwing LoL thats an epic drawing.

it was the only thing in terms of existing commission prices that I was aware of. they seemed like decent enough prices, so I went with them.
When I estimated the cost of what I wanted via lizzi's price list, I came up with a total of about 10kce. So I figured that's what I should expect to pay.

again, I have offered considerably more, considering the, um, skill gap ^_^;;;

okay, we already went over the fact that your permission will have no impact on me using the image. I do not profit from its display, so I am free to do so under Free Use. This will be the last time I point out that fact. Do as you will with regard.

I will only accept what I asked for. This will also be the last time I state this fact. and furthermore, Do as you will with regard.

Sure, would you consider revising, and continuing the current piece for the increased price of 20kce? For that matter would you do it for any price? if so, what would you consider acceptable payment for what I have requested? And so that I am not misunderstood:

Working from the current piece
remove the 2 anon. Knights and replace them with an ambiguous line of knights, (I will link to screenshots of the in-game line when I get home, if you would like)
add a group of knights and/or monsters to the left of Azrael. the monsters should be holding and or opening harvest boxes, as should the knights.
I would also like 1 knight wearing a less than stellar accessory expressing elation, while another should be complaining about his free prismatic w/e.
through-out the image I would also like several (3+) ghostly snipes. something akin to Jack's Dog from TNBC.
and if it is possible, do you think you could have azrael extending his right arm as if to say "here you go"

So, that pretty much sums up all that.
So what would you like to do now?

IHere's the facts:
there was an agreement that max would complete a piece for me containig the aforementioned details, by halloween and in return I would pay them 10kce.

max completed a piece for me, but lacked significant details. I still liked what had been completed, and in return I offered to pay for the details that had been included. i even offered a respectve bonus.

max retrned my funds and demanded full payment. and they also stated, if I wasn't going to pay them full price, then they didn't want to be paid at all. it is entirely max's choice to refuse payment.

Max's justification is that I wasn't explicit enough, and then it was that their art is already worth more, and that im a scammer, and that i have been refern to the artwork as incomplete.

I have ceased refering to the piece as incomplete, have offered a later deadline to revise the work, offered sig. more and even asked for a price quote, and re-stated more explicitly what I would like to see in a new revision.

if you would like to hang your coat on the fact that I will not pay ransom to an artists vanity. you're welcome to just set it on the floor.

and to make it a bit more clear, a man offers to sell you a unicorn for a fortune you accept and the man brings you the most impressive stallion ever, would you still pay the man the fortune? or would you decline and simply decide to show your friends the field the stallion is kept? or would you offer a portion of the fortune? (please dont get hung up on the imaginary animal thing)

I take it that you're done. Im sorry we couldn't work this out.
although if you do change your mind with regards to revising the piece, I am more than happy to renegotiate.
I wish you luck on your sale and look forward to your future art.

In the meantime I will do as I will thinking of what could have been. and when people ask me who is responsible for such an excellent depiction of my knight. you can rest assured I harbor no ill will and will send them in your direction.

yours truley,
azrealwing

@Doom-dude : take a look at my discovery. and now, what if you found out that the horse he had brought you was actually just one of the better of the lot he already had, and not the divine creature you thought it to be? still forking over all the dough? yeah...only a fool. and I was a fool for not doing my research.

Well, maxwing, I decided to try and find out if maybe you had done SK commission's before.
Imagine my surprise when I found This.

for those of you who can't speak spanish, or don't have google chrome, that is a partnership commission page maxwing operates off of.
and wouldn't you know it, the price he has set for color work is 500ce! sure it varies with how much detail you want, even so, the lowest I offered him for the piece he completed was nearly 10 times that much!

I'm glad I've found out what you usually charge for your work. now that I know, I'll be sure to negotiate a proper price for my next commission. with an alternate account of course. ;) love ya maxy, see ya soon!

Oh and to yet again, prove my lack of disrespect, I will uphold my original offer for the piece you completed for me of 4500ce.

If you're mad at me don't go and bother my friends on their post.
what's your problem anyway?
you aren't paying after all, and you've clearly expressed your happiness about that.

I have realised that you are unable to apreciate art, so, I'm not longer interested on you to have one of my pieces.