Crystal energy is skyrocketing in price! No longer can you easily make enough crowns to get even 100 ce! it takes hours! 9199 crowns is the new price. thats at least 5 snarbolax runs for new players and accounts. a snarbolax run takes about 40 minutes for a 2* player. thats probably about 35 minutes for a 3* player. and besides, a snarby run only makes about 1200 to 2000 crowns. arcade runs at 2 tier make about 800 to 900 from start to crossroads. Crystal energy is becoming too hard to get and extremely inaccesible for even 2* player accounts without buying. nobody wants to have to pay for ce with their own real, hard-earned money. the price of ce should have a set rate of around 5000 to 6000 crowns. no more 3 hours of trying to get ce. you cant even last that long anyways on mist energy! no more 9000 crowns gotten just to find the price has risen by 300 crowns! set a fixed rate for ce or this game will start to lose players!
Crystal energy is rising too high in price!! we'll all go broke if it doesnt drop!
"9199 crowns is the new price. thats at least 5 snarbolax runs for new players and accounts. a snarbolax run takes about 40 minutes for a 2* player. thats probably about 35 minutes for a 3* player"
You dont need any CE until upgrading to 3*, and even then you can cover half the price with Mist energy. Also by that point you'll be running RJP if you're a decent player or have any friends to help you in the game.
If you are really just running Snarby for profit, then you're doing it wrong.
And like Bigfootm said, go complain in a thread already made instead of making a new one. There's no point in explaining why its like this and why its fine as it is, so just end this thread.
I made a decent profit back in the day by running Snarby. I did ~3 runs a day, bought Bristling Bucklers, unbound them using the next day's mist, and sold them for a very decent chunk of money. Relatively, it was great money for T1 and it was pretty good introduction to marketing in this game. I think CE was 4-5k or so back then, and I haven't actually seen what a Bristling Buckler goes for for about a year now.
You can suggest something for solving this problem instead of complaining about it.
"And here our loved T.V watcher: this is the most perfect example of the Life Cycle, While the new cub of players come of the world of spiral can accept the new chanllege of get some of it vital CE, the old cubs cant understand Why the CE price is raising out of their pawns... so while old cubs players will cry and whine like kids who are lost in a big yard... other old cubs along with the new cubs will accept the new chanllege and start the fight with patience and some intelligence to get their precious CE to be alive.. another day in the world of spiral"
Lose players? i dont think they will leave the game because the Ce price, some old players can leave but it will come 10 players more for every player leave the game. the new players will get used to he new Ce price that old players "like you" cant understand the price. What i can tell you what going to make players leave its the same thing we do everyday because spiral dont have anything else to offer players like us who have 1 year in this game and the new "innovative" thing we have are missions that its making spiral a eternal vortex of boredom and routine.
of course danger mission are pretty nice and all but we can do in only Once per day (or a lot of times if we are invited by friends). but players leaving spiral because the energy price? prolly but there be always new players coming to this game.
I wrote a guide on how you can fix things, although it will take a lot of effort to do so. http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/63936
Suck it up, cupcake. :o We need 20k crowns per 100 CE so I can roll on everything. <3
Inflation hits everything, and now you must realize that CE are no exception. As the game progresses forward, people are finding more and more ways to make crowns out of playing. A great example is the FSC money runs. You go down 4 floors, leaving before vana, using 40 mist, to get roughly 7k. Then you repeat. A total of 80 mist spent, and about 14-16k earned. Then you buy CE for the "Over 9000" price that it's at. now you have 120 Energy. Run Vana again, and again. Now we are at 40 Ce, with a net income of : 14k - 9K + 7k + 7k = 19k. Feel free to run it once more, for a total of ~26k Profit. That's a good days run. But what if it's a weekend? Buy more Ce, and repeat. IE : 26k - 9K + 7k + 7k - 9K + 7k + 7k + 7k .... Slowly you get money, and at the end of the day you should easily walk out with 100k.
Now on the terms of Raising prices in the very near future. There is going to be an exploit soon enough to hobble around and give us more money. Whether that be the Shadow Lair, or an soon to come update with the Danger Missions. There WILL be a way that we can get Ce at a reasonable cost. The market is run off of 2 factors, how much Ce is out there, and how many Cr there are. People will buy Ce forever, so there will be a constant supply of that, and crowns, they will be ever increasing in the game. When the game started, there was at most 1million crowns, remember that. And now, as the player count increases, more crowns are collected globally, therefore increasing EVERYTHING's price. There are more crowns in the market, so how people compensate for the "lowered" value of the crown, is that they crank up prices.
Inflation.
Prices should go down, doing FSC is not a solution, UNLESS there are players THAT kind that do a run in Vana with Tier 1 and 2 players
@Memidgety I hope you are implying that YOU and those who said to do FSC help Tier 1 and 2 to do FSC, because then I don't know how they will:
1st Go to Tier 3 (they have no clearance after all, neither Arcade or Missions),
2nd Survive Tier 3 (fiends and undeads can kill you in a few seconds, specially devilities and kats) and
3rd Kill Vana (Optional)
I'll sell you 100 ce for 5500. Trying to help out some newbies.
there is a few good players left, you just have to find them :3
when i used to sell CE i sold it 500crowns less tan the lowest price but i havent bought CE in a while..... sowwy.
TIP: if your in a good decent guild, ask to buy from a few members, as long as there not douches, theyll give you a guildie discount :)
Oh, a good old fashioned CE rage thread. What with all the people complaining about updates lately, I was starting to miss these. It's supply and demand guys, someone had to pay for that CE with real money. Crowns are an infinite resource, CE is not. Besides, you get 100 free mist every day, which is more than enough to play for a good, long time.
If prices are set at a fixed low price, then there will be CE shortages, that's how economics works. If you don't believe me, read here
@Fehzor - There's a reason that your thread didn't get a lot of attention when you posted it. It can't work, and most players who understand the economy don't want it to work
@ Starkythefox I do help Tier 1 and 2's do vana... I'll admit, it is annoying xD
The best solution I give to them farming on their own, invest in a shadow weapon, and do Royal Jelly Palace, without the boss floor. 2 Floors for a 2.4k Turnout isn't half bad for newer players. The Math works out at around 11k for 100mist... roughly a 2k profit. But if they are determined, and they only use mist for these runs, 11k a day wasn't bad when I was tier 2.
My other advice is to go material hunting, and merchanting. Bushy tails for one, take a hefty sum on the market. I made roughly 96k in one week off of low tier materials. Remember to use everything at your advantage, especially those tokens ;D
@Princeberton
"It can't work and most players who understand the economy don't want it to work"
Prove it. Or at least back up your argument.
"There's a reason that your thread didn't get a lot of attention when you posted it."
Because I initially posted it in the graveyard?
So many people raging about ce. This is easily accommodated with RJP runs, the twins or vana. OOO will never go for a fixed market. Nick said that they won't get involved with the player run market. And that also limits our freedom in-game about ce prices. The so called "staggering" price is because the demand for CE is higher then the suppliers so they sell it for more knowing that the populace needs ce. It's just good business. Not trying to be mean here. It's just how it works. I know a lot of people can't do FSC which makes it tough for them but the clockworks are a great source of cr. Arena's are one of these areas. If you survive you not only get the treasure boxes but the heat and cr you get from the enemies. Graveyards are useful too. There are ways around the whole CE price bind. F2P players and the occasional out of ce knights just have to be more resourceful now.
I love it how someone posts something that's only been seen 5,000,000 1/2 times before and then, whenever those who have witnessed the aforementioned 5,000,000 1/2 other threads come in to explain to them why they're ignorant, they mystically vanish into hammerspace never to be heard from again. This and bacon have become my reasons for living.
I feel your pain(?) IDK why people have to keep saying something that's already said.
The truth is, for people who rage, the truth is, that you just need to get used to it. You cannot change it as an individual, and you defiantly wont get all the Ce sellers to lower their prices. =\
And for the record. I do not participate in this devilish market. (As of now >:D)
we'll all go broke if it doesnt drop!
Get one of these.
^ Lol swift xD
CE is too high for you? Convince more people to buy and sell CE packs or convince Three Rings to make boss missions unreplayable. Either way none of these will be happening anytime soon.
LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU:
They make you grind because they want players, thats why we have high ce price.
We cant beat well known LD player because theyre secretly game masters who has fake uvs making people rage ce rev in LD.
And make people dump there crowns to the troll uv master.
Ters was just an advertisement for promos.
Nj being obssessed with the 69 sex position is gross.
And they should really remove the "NO GRINDING" sign.
That is all. CASE CLOSED.
^Please dont ban me Eury I was just kidding @_@
Correction: free players will go broke. The higher the CE price, the more encouragement to buy it really. So it only benefits 3 rings.
Also there's mist energy, which even now I only make use of. I can take 2 or sometimes 3 hours of play with just mist energy
Never use CE for anything other than 4-5* crafting. Run missions/clockworks using mist only, ever. (Note: It's not that there are no profitable runs on CE--clearly there are. But the margins on anything other than FSC are so small that you'll get frustrated trying to make cr that way.) Buy your 3*s pre-made off the AH; with patience, you can effectively get them much cheaper than crafting them yourself. Oh, and plan your upgrade path meticulously, so you never craft a wasted item.
Really, it only takes 1200 CE to unlock T3 access: helm, armour, shield, one weapon, at 300 CE each (100 knocked off due to crafting at full mist). That gives you access to all the clockworks content (but not all the missions). Seems okay to me.
Also, OP, this comment cracks me up: "nobody wants to have to pay for ce with their own real, hard-earned money." So you want someone else to spend their money on CE--which you yourself refuse to do--and then sell it to you cheap? Ha.
Also, OP, this comment cracks me up: "nobody wants to have to pay for ce with their own real, hard-earned money." So you want someone else to spend their money on CE--which you yourself refuse to do--and then sell it to you cheap? Ha.
Aye, the attitude is lost to me. People don't want to buy CE with their own money, so they'd rather sit in the flat and grind an extra ten hours to make the cr to buy some ce (that someone else bought, before going out to do whatever else they enjoy...). Time=money, and all.... c.c
unless you're actually enjoying it, in which case it is a wonderful idea. Enjoy yourself playing the game while getting cr for your next upgrade--what's not to like? But once it ceases being fun (which is much more likely to happen if running on CE for those tiny, tiny profits), better to log off and do something else.
If a newbie want lots of CE without spending $, s/he'll have to merch. No ifs or buts. Of course, merching also takes a lot of time, so unless one's very good at it *or* enjoy doing it, one might run into the same problem as with grinding.
I always just found that grinding isn't the way to play a game. Do something else, have fun, enjoy it and don't think about the money. After enough time, before you know it, you'll have all the money you need. Sick of FSC? Go pick a fun run, or do Snarby for a change. By the end of the day you'll have plenty of money again and won't even notice.
The fastest way to get sick of trying to earn cash is to actively try and make cash.
As for merching, couldn't say. I always sucked at it, don't enjoy it so....idk, I imagine some people have actual fun doing it? *shrug*
"The fastest way to get sick of trying to earn cash is to actively try and make cash."
This a thousand times.
"As for merching, couldn't say."
Couldn't say? I think it is really an objective fact that merching is a good idea if you like or are very good at it, and a bad idea otherwise. XD
Ooh, no I meant couldn't say how fast it becomes boring. Am well aware that it's probably the most effective way to vomit cash in any MMO, but since I am dearly god awful at it I've never done it long enough; I usually get bored trying to do it within half an hour, but I know plenty of people do it for months w/o a break. Either they're just hardcore, mindless grinding super-maniacs or just enjoy it far too much to be mindless gamers D:
first thing i would say is learn to manage energy (use for lifts or better yet do not rev or open energy doors unless u have to). second this game is not world of warcrack or evercrack there is a mist limit for a reason they do not want u playing 24/7 with no breaks. third things is i would like energy go down a bit but it probably will not anytime soon, reason there is a rise in people begging for ce for reasons beyond any control i feel if it goes down a bit it may stop them but probably never happen. fourth and final thing is i am would do an over 9000 joke but i'm out of them (not joking i made them all already).
That is spot on. I can barely afford to eat for the rest of the week. I feel like such a fool for selling CE at 5K per hundred.
Game development costs money and time. So if you like the game, you should spend some money on it. And if you can't afford the money for whatever the reason, you can grind it (effectively by paying the game with your time). If you follow the latter, don't complain about high CE prices because that anonymous CE sellers are probably not your parents, kind grandparents or rich uncles.
But wait, isn't this game suppose to be F2P? Well we do have one P2P only expansion. So if the question is about whether or not this game is entirely, 100%, absolutely free? The answer is "no", there are some contents you can only access with money. (Don't ask me why the game is like this. It's like asking why some people shoot themselves in the foot. It doesn't make sense but it happens.)
Will the CE prices go higher? I'm guessing yes. But will the climb slow down? I'm guessing yes also, if OOO continues to inject CE into the market at the right timing (through CE promo). But I still don't like high CE prices, you say. Well everybody likes their stuff to be free but nobody likes to work neither.
You know, you can stop playing for a bit until CE prices are at a more reasonable level. What? You said you can't stop playing? What are you waiting for, pay for the game man.
A private teacher told me some of the American parents taught their childrens how to be hardworking and independent.
So... why this doesn't apply to some of a few people in here?
A private teacher told me some of the American parents taught their childrens(sic) how to be hardworking and independent.
So... why this doesn't apply to some of a few people in here?
(s)he was taking about the baby boomer generation, back when everything was easy in the US, and now we have a bunch of starry-eyed old people who say things like "best thing since sliced bread" and "when I was your age I could get a liter of Pepsi for a nickel", wondering why the "ne'er-do-well" youth won't get a job.
Baby... boomer... generation?
Huh... sounds like if I do grew old, or maybe I am already considered old, these would just apply..
Uhh... um, one tip, for most curious and the poor.. participate freebies. Freebies like.. um.. Treasure Vault, trivias... people leaving and stuffs getting shared into the community and stuffs... the closer ye get, the closer ye might receive. :o
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I was once running around and Clockworking, till someone in Haven, namely Alexis, loner, guildless, or somewhat. It's great that I still recall because this person is still unforgettable, all I could wish is his better life because of from his previous generous charity given to the community last year.
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He had 20k CE on him.
So, 1k CE each person will receive, as a trivia prize. and 20(19, a person got the answer twice) players received, including as I did. ^^
Appearantly the person was looking for someone else that accompanied before he left the game and wanted to give him some as well, and he handled to me, he/she was tired, I guess. It was a coincedence that I bumped to that person. I could have kept things for myself but hey, last words are last words. He never came back. (or so)
Certainly that some people didn't buy it and didn't participate, as some thought that it was just a troll. Oh well, memories.
TL:DR : someone gave 20k ce and 1k ce each person, winners get, losers regret.
@Memidgety
Inflation hits everything, and now you must realize that CE are no exception. As the game progresses forward, people are finding more and more ways to make crowns out of playing. A great example is the FSC money runs. You go down 4 floors, leaving before vana, using 40 mist, to get roughly 7k. Then you repeat. A total of 80 mist spent, and about 14-16k earned. Then you buy CE for the "Over 9000" price that it's at. now you have 120 Energy. Run Vana again, and again. Now we are at 40 Ce, with a net income of : 14k - 9K + 7k + 7k = 19k. Feel free to run it once more, for a total of ~26k Profit. That's a good days run. But what if it's a weekend? Buy more Ce, and repeat. IE : 26k - 9K + 7k + 7k - 9K + 7k + 7k + 7k .... Slowly you get money, and at the end of the day you should easily walk out with 100k.
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I love it when people think their plans are brilliant, but simple math shows how inefficient they are.
Based on your numbers, 7kcr/40ce = 1.75kcr/10ce. Vana gives you over 3kcr/10ce from the tokens you can sell and he can be beat in ~5 minutes if you know what you are doing. Why would you skip Vana when the profit rate is almost 2x the previous levels (as a collective, since I know d27 pays more than d24)? If you really want to make the most cr/ce you start on d25 and beat Vana.
Then again, I'd rather not play the same things 24hr/day just to make some CR. Go do a 3-arena gate and hit every one (preferably with 2 in S6). Also, do all the danger rooms since they have good payout for 3ce, and you can take turns opening the gate. I did that today (started at d21) and got 3xspark of life (6kcr right there) and 7kcr from the gate itself, plus lots of other mats worth selling.
Hey MK-Vl i sent u mail so i can buy ce, you should get it.
@Yttriu Its sold Out lol
The price is only 9,199+ for people too impatient to put in an offer. I can get by with 8,700cr per 100CE. That's how I got to 500.
Another rent post. /graveyard
Its a FREE MARKET
CR is INFINITE
CE is LIMITED
CR is INFLATED due to many reasons.
9000 is the EQUILIBRIUM because the average INCOME of all CE needing players is ~9000
/graveyard
The price just lowered to 8.8k. If you want to lower it, find an improvement for it.
I decided today to watch a bit of Penny Arcade again since a long time, and found this recent episode: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/energy-systems ...it is funny because quite a while ago, PA publicited this game (http://forums.spiralknights.com/es/node/2971)
Btw, if our income is X number of crowns, 100CE MUST be that quantity? Because if I remember well enough, it wasn't this way at all before. Why are players making this game monetized now? We could play before all we wanted... or isn't there as many players now purchasing CE than before?
Note: I am not blaming it to the CE purchasers, I am just pointing that the market seems to have changed a lot since a year ago. Just in case...
That's the problem with inflation; if the rest of the players cant keep up with the market through normal means of gameplay, then something has gone very awry with the game itself.
I thought it was a good thing? You get more cr for your $$ - its only people who do not support OOO for months and months who would suffer, no?
If you play SK all the time it might be a good dea to invest in OOO and get promo rewards at the same time - these guys gotta eat if they guna code for you! Servers dun host themselves!
Last promo i got was dragon wings and the steam ones when on sale.... get fine payout on runs and selling mats etc...
New players can wait for mist regen, get starter pack, or get into trading?
"nobody wants to have to pay for ce with their own real, hard-earned money. the price of ce should have a set rate of around 5000 to 6000 crown"
ermm - we would have no game if people didn't support OOO.
LET THIS DIE.
The next person who posts here will cause me to go get Eurydice to auto-graveyard this. I'M SERIOUS. DO NOT POST.
I will now simultaneously reply to the thread and completely disregard Phantomhamachi's above post.
Did the price of CE really go "over 9000"? I mean, I remember joking about that a little over a month ago; when I last played. The CE market never really had a way down, so it wasn't surprising that this happened, with constant renewing demand and the leaving of CE-spending players thanks to these last somewhat monotonous months.
I myself almost quit altogether thanks to the RSS nerf in August, and when there was no response or acknowledgement of this as well as a general lack of game progress and excitement thanks mostly in my part to the CE-driven alchemization costs, I felt less and less like playing SK. Although I have used my alt and main a couple of times in the last month, I really haven't gone anywhere in-game and I really think that this CE is mainly to blame. With the CE economy as is, I really don't think anyone is winning. Anyways why am I even posting here I haven't played in...too long...
No, not all of us. *Points to CE/CR*
Seerusly though, if you're gonna whine about the CE price, do it in another one of the 90000 threads.
/graveyard