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Mon, 10/29/2012 - 20:59
Feline-Grenadier's picture
Feline-Grenadier

Title says it all, UV's included.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 04:58
#1
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Just...the theoretical best

Just...the theoretical best loadout in the game? Bombastic both with triple max shock, elemental/shadow and pierce, boom mod, heart trinky and bombs with ctr:vh. Probably nitro, AoA/VV, VT and electron.

Boom baby.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 05:51
#2
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

>.>

PMoS Max!Freeze/Poison/Stun, Shadowsun Max!Shock/Fire/Stun, Plague Needle CTR/ASI VH, Polaris ASI VH, Argent Peacemaker CTR/ASI VH, Umbra Driver CTR/ASI VH, 5* gun damage trinkies x2kind, and defensive shield of choice/Swiftstrike Buckler Max!Fire/Shock/Freeze.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 11:04
#3
Windsickle's picture
Windsickle
Proto Set both triple maxed

Proto Set both triple maxed with various status and damage defense UVs, CTR VH + ASI VH Proto Sword and Proto Guns, CTR VH Proto Bomb.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 12:41
#4
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Proto set with Sleep/Shock/Fire Max on defense and ASI/Fiend Max + CTR VH or better on the gun and sword. Bomb is optional.

Flashy and useless. Rare because almost no one uses Punch for proto gear and Sleep was only available as a UV til about last December or so.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 19:05
#5
Thinslayer's picture
Thinslayer
Ooh, the possibilities...

Let's see, shields are most often needed 1) to withstand bullet hell, 2) absorb shock pulses, 3) block spikes & brambles, and 4) absorb massive whacks. Hence: a Grey Owlite Shield with pierce, stun & poison max. This shield will block spikes, brambles, poison brambles, shadow fire, shock damage, and massive Vanaduke hits. It's your everyday hazard-avoidance shield.

Now, the only statuses the swarm ever gives your are poison & stun. These two statuses never come together, so one of them has to be a UV. According to the wiki, the Void Gel deals only piercing with poison, the Void Wolver and Lumber deal only normal with the latter dealing stun, and the rest deal split. The pure damage voids are the most threatening. So we're looking at a shield with normal, piercing, stun, and poison. Hence, the Ironmight Plate Shield with UV Poison Max.

To best resist the enemies in FSC, you're going to need normal and shadow to block trojans, normal, elemental, fire, and stun to block Vanaduke's mace, elemental and fire to block Vanaduke's bullets, normal, shadow, and fire to block zombie swipes, normal, elemental, and fire to block rocket puppy shots, and elemental and fire to block Red Rover flames. So the damage in question involves normal, elemental, shadow, fire, and stun. I'm gonna say Grey Owlite with UVs shadow & stun max. I was going to suggest Volcanic plate with elemental and shadow max to best resist heavy smashes, but Vanaduke's bullet hell, those darn Rocket puppies, and the rare heavy melee smash make a more convincing argument for Owlite.

For PvP, movement while shielding/cloaking is highly valued. Flourishes, Gran Fausts, Rocket Hammers, and Polarises are common. Shock, Freeze, and Stun are the deadliest statuses. ASI and damage bonuses are highly valued for most classes, but CTR is more valued for bombers. With so many damage types to be concerned with, which set offers the best bang for the buck??

Enter Mercurial Demo. Tack on UVs pierce, shadow, & freeze max, and you're all set to go for either guardian or recon. Guardians will like it for the faster movement while shielding, and the recons will like it for that reason too, plus the bomb damage bonus it offers. Since guardians also get a bomb charge time reduction, they too could conceivably benefit from the bomb damage bonus, but in practice, it's not useful. But this isn't the ideal Striker set.

For Strikers, Skolver with elemental, shock & stun max is preferred. I chose elemental & stun because 1) you might find yourself accidentally running into hazards, including spikes which deal stun, 2) Polaris users; 'nuff said, and 3) Stagger Storm users might be trying to adapt. Shock Max is a no-brainer. Of course, shadow damage will still be a weakness of yours, so you could put elemental on one piece and shadow on another.

If you're a gung-ho guardian, try on an Ancient Plate set for size. Put on max UVs for all three special damage types, and you'll be one mean tanker. Statuses will still be your greatest foe, but you'll be shielding against those, right?...right?...no? Then you could swap out the damage types with shock, freeze, and stun if you insist.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 08:05
#6
Derpules's picture
Derpules
^Eh.

"Of course, shadow damage will still be a weakness of yours, so you could put elemental on one piece and shadow on another."

Someone researched this. The difference even double max in one damage type makes is tiny. A single max on a set with no natural damage resistance of that type will likely never allow you to tank a single hit more.

"If you're a gung-ho guardian, try on an Ancient Plate set for size. Put on max UVs for all three special damage types, and you'll be one mean tanker."

See above. That would really not be a very useful set at all.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 08:12
#7
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Very well thought out,

Very well thought out, Thinslayer, -at least all in theory- but Derpules is right about defence UVs being fairly limited. It's good not to rely on UVs entirely for defence as you'll find them amount to very little on your character overlay. It's best to allow it to just stack up on top of current defences.
And A.Plate is a completely UP set; the normal defence doesn't save you from much and a lack of special defences leave it more fragile than most. And I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that a full set of A.Plate has some redundant normal defence anyways, meaning you're better off with just one part A.Plate and another part of [something better].

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 17:54
#8
Thinslayer's picture
Thinslayer
About Ancient Plate...

I was banking on the extra health that Ancient Plate offers, not so much its extra defense, though I've heard that its normal defense is literally off the charts. The extra health will help you better than the extra normal defense will.

But yeah, I've heard about the studies regarding specialized defense in Lockdown. I agree that the statuses are more important, but I must admit that I'm not completely sold on the idea that specialized defenses are useless in PvP.

Perhaps an Ancient Plate set with Freeze, Shock, and Stun UVs would be more useful.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 19:19
#9
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
It would give you the extra

It would give you the extra tanking power of a hit or two (short of heavy swords, which it'll probably have zero affect upon) and the health will be nice, but with no special defence at all it'll still tear apart pretty easily. As a gunner I switch to my umbra to charge and you can immediately tell the difference between hitting Skolvers and Snarbies, and those guns have low damage per shot, compared to heavy weapons like GF; s'why they're so popular: someone with zero shadow defence gets destroyed by GFs.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 23:03
#10
Derpules's picture
Derpules
"the extra tanking power of a hit or two"

Nope. Definitely not two, and rarely ever one. Remember, Thin is talking about a single max on a set with no natural resistance of that type. You might soak one more weak gun shot, sometimes, but never an extra sword hit, which--let's face it--is most of the damage you'll encounter.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 14:57
#11
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
Well, that's easy

Full Mercurial Demo
-Freeze Max
-Fire Max
-Stun Max

Ironmight Plate Shield
-Fire max
-Shock max
-Elemental Max?

2x Elite Boom Module

Dark Briar Barrage
Electron Vortex
Dark Retribution
-CTR very high for all of them
-No other UV would matter

Valiance
-ASI very high
-CTR very high
-Construct damage very high

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 16:39
#12
Bella-Donna's picture
Bella-Donna
Naw

naw

Snarby coat
max fire
max shock
max stun

Seerus Mask
Max freeze
Max Stun
Max Shadow

Blitz
CTR Med
ASI VH
Fiend VH

Hammer
CTR VH
ASI VH
Undead VH

Umbra Driver
CTR Med
ASI VH
Gremlin VH

Polaris
Construct VH
Undead VH
ASI VH

Barbarous Thorn Sheild
Shadow Max
Elemental Max
Peircing Max

2X elite true shot mod

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 21:23
#13
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
Lesse... Chaos Set with Fire,

Lesse...
Chaos Set with Fire, Shock, and Poison max on both pieces
Swiftstrike with Normal max (what more could you need, honestly?)
ASI High, CTR Med Voltedge (or really any Brandish)
ASI High, CTR Med 5* Driver (just get all of em to swap out)
ASI High, CTR Med Blitz
ASI High, CTR Med any bomb, really. Maybe Nitro.
In reserve:
ASI High, CTR Med Leviathan and Valiance.

Oh, and Elite Trueshot and Slash. Maybe some damage UVs as well.

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