CIC with UV +DMG vs Undead:MED - Bad Idea??
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 09:56
Tinker
Hello fellow knights of the Cradle. I've come here seeking advice.
I'm trying to decide if I should proceed with crafting a Cold Iron Carver(CIC) with the UV +Damage Bonus vs Undead:MED. Assuming the abilities section (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Abilities) section of the wiki is correct, then combining this UV with the CIC inherent +Damage Bonus vs Undead:High should result in a CIC with an Ultra boost. From what I can see with my current CIC, I know these boosts do combine. I'm just not sure I'm seeing the effects. I am currently using a CIC with a UV +CTR:High that combines with the inherent bonus at level 10 +CTR:MED and gives me an Ultra +CTR boost. I'm just wondering how much of a difference there is in the numbers between +Damage Bonus vs Undead:High & +Damage Bonus vs Undead:Ultra. Is it worth crafting for the boost from High to Ultra? Bad Idea?? Maybe it would be better to craft the Ascended Calibur with this UV instead. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
-Pingz
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:06
#2
Tinker
Wow that's disappointing to
Wow that's disappointing to hear about the CIV line. And here I went down that path thinking I would rule the graveyards, but it sounds like I could have done better going with the Levi path. Could this possibly be a bug that will be addressed thus improving the performance of the CIV? Going for the CIV takes quite a few more steps and IMO should reward a greater damage bonus for the extra effort of crafting the rarer recipe. Especially against the specifically mentioned monster family, Undead.
Edit to add:
I should mention that the UV is currently on a Tempered Calibur.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:18
#3
LobsterHime
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Put on that old record, dear
I've only been playing since the official launch, but this "it was harder to get, it should be better" argument has been brought up a couple times since then. I'm fairly certain CIV's lower damage compared to Leviathan is not a bug. With the exception of the base equipment (cobalt, defender, calibur, blaster, etc.) every recipe is equally (un)common. In some cases the non-standard equipment is better and in others they're worse. Deal With It.
You can still switch to the Leviathan branch, but if you've already purchased the CIC and CIV recipes and learned them, then I guess I offer my condolences for your lost crowns.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:15
#4
Tinker
Thanks
While I appreciate the condolences Hime, you offer no advice to the question at hand. Instead, you are apparently still on a /rant from a different thread. I have no issues with "dealing" with what I currently have, and am merely asking for veteran advice regarding stacking bonuses on the CIC so can make informed decisions about crafting.
I disagree with the statement that every recipe is equally uncommon with the exception of the base equipment. Simply put, I can purchase the Leviathan Blade recipe from Kozma without a trip through the dungeons while I cannot purchase the Cold Iron Vanquisher recipe from Kozma and rely on Basil, thus making it more rare and increasing it's demand on the market. This does not mean I expect it to produce far better results than it's counterpart, but it does set expectations when the bonus says specifically damage bonus to undead. I would then expect it to perform noticeably better than any other 5* sword without the damage bonus to said monster family.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:22
#5
cheeserito
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Okay, so, Levi is better in
Okay, so, Levi is better in all regards. The 4star of the Levi line does MORE damage to undead than my CIV, without a UV on either of them.
If you really want to go CIC/CIV, your UV would probably put the CIC/CIV on par with the AC/Levi.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:39
#6
viper901
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The leviathan does do
The leviathan does do slightly more damage to everything else. And the cold iron vanquisher does slightly more damage to undead. Everything at the top level in this game with those weapons is 'slightly more'. Nothing like hard numbers can be given because there is not much testing that has been done with them. I'm not sure how bonus stacking works or I'd try to help you there. I do know it caps out, so it's not worth it much if you'd be over the top for instance because that would be wasted UV.
For my part cold iron vanquisher looks so much more awesome than leviathan that it doesn't matter to me if it takes .07 more of a hit to kill a monster or two. Lower DPS on a boss also doesn't matter to me that much since there are many more variables that go into those fights than a minor dps increase (also with Vanaduke half of it comes from your gun anyway)
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:52
#7
Tinker
Levi is the way
After reading a few other threads, it sounds a like Levi is the way to go and I was looking at the wrong path. I did not realize there was such a difference between the two. Thanks for the eye-opener. I naturally thought with the CIC having a damage bonus that I would end up with a standard 4* sword doing normal damage plus a damage bonus specializing in the Undead, but it sounds like it's a weaker sword that it's counterpart with a deceptive damage bonus. So with that said, the UV would be more useful elsewhere and I will probably look at using it for a new shiney Levi or selling.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:00
#8
Tinker
Agreed
Agreed Viper, the Vanquisher is much more appealing. I guess there is a slight trade off of 'effectiveness for style' if going with the CIC/CIV. I do not yet have a Levi to compare against so I do appreciate the feedback before I go and invest in one.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:54
#9
viper901
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Look at it this way. If two
Look at it this way. If two people clear up to Vanaduke, but you do it with an wpn that boasts less total DPS and has a freaking chain on it, you are more awesome. Also if you get hit less and do it in approximately the same time we could argue more skilled? In my opinion inferior weapons breed talent and ingenuity, so don't shy away from them. That doesn't mean you can bring the wrong weapon to the stratum of course, but it does mean you can use Khorovod to clear FSC!
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:46
#10
Pupu
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Eh
Most of the time it's actually better to kill undeads with guns or bombs to be honest.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:50
#11
Ouros
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It really is better to use
It really is better to use alchemers for skeletons, but I think ghosts are often easier for swords to handle. I would go CIC, I expect that down the line the bonus vs specified enemies will either be buffed or otherwise made more relevant to compensate for how lackluster it is currently. That's purely speculation on my end, but I think the game wants you to keep proccing UVs until you can line them up with your gear for tons of stacking bonuses.
I think you're better off going ascended and going down the Levi alchemy path. From what I understand the Levi does almost as much damage as the CIV without that bonus dmg to undead. I think with medium undead UV it will probably do more damage than a non-uv CIV to undead