Hello, I am gonna be 5* soon so i need you guys to give an opinion. Which is the best set among of these sets?
Chaos set, Divine set or Grey feather set?
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 04:04
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 05:35
#2
This is the info
I play as a swordsman and my current equipments are Blizzbrand and Gigawatt Pulsar as my sidearm. My hood has a UV(Increase Piercing Defense:Med).Oh i forgot, my shield is Wise Owlite Shield.
Im more like a Elemental Specialist and im not good in piercing. I think i wanna go for Divine set but it doesnt have normal defense.Because of that i need your opinion. Of course im experienced.Hmm i think the combination between the Divine Veil and the Skolver coat is a good idea because Skolver has Damage Bonus:Med and Divine Veil has Elemental and Shadow defense.I only good in elemental.
Sorry because didnt give you more info.This is my first time asking about arsenal.(And sorry bad english i think?)
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 05:45
#3
Divine Veil + Skolver is the
Divine Veil + Skolver is the go-to build for all-purpose defence loadouts (since these loadouts typically contain at least one sword).
Chaos set would not suit your current weapon loadout, and would only serve to make you feel punished and like you're not earning anything back~
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:21
#4
Confirmation
Yes, I confirm what Darkbrady said and I already suggested, especially if you are F2P (not paying), you'll probably be best served with Divine Veil + Skolver Coat for a while, before you are able to earn good money to make more sets. Sadly, this means that your current armor is going to sit there and collect dust, but that's normal, everyone makes mistakes.
For a swordsman, all Wolver lines are the go-to armor. We are lucky to have one for each damage type, and all are good.
You may want to expand on some more weapon to accomodate different situations (a piercing and a shadow sword!).
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:02
#5
Alright! Thank you for the
Alright! Thank you for the suggestion :)
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:16
#6
obligatory
Cool-Night, I have a detailed sword guide that you may find useful. Cheers.
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:48
#7
In my opinon...
Im gonna give the best advice Ive ever heard, "Go with what works for you." Dont let others tell you how to play or what gear works best. Honestly I have played with nothing but the magic line and I haven't had a single problem. I started with Grey cause it the most well rounded. Its pretty much good for all occasions. Its got great elemental and normal defense which pretty much covers all end game content and it has the 2 most important resistances in the game (shock and fire). It does fall a little short in the Shadow Lairs but by the time you make it there it wont matter anyway. I own all 3 trees of the magic line and I can say by far that Divine is the worst! dont even waste your time with it. No normal defense is actually a huge drawback. I dont think devs realized it or somethin but yeah useless. And the Chaos set is the best. It is for more advance players cause you really do gotta work with all the neg resistance but in the long run it pays off. I suggest buying a magic set with a max resist that you want and crafting it to a chaos set and then slowly work toward elimintaing the resists with UV's. Thats what I'm doin and I love it!
Hope this is helpful!
Also the divine/wolver thing..........everyone does that! Dont be lame like everyone else. Be your own knight
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:45
#8
Clwn, I'm not sure whether
Clwn, I'm not sure whether you're just confused or trolling, but I don't want the OP to take your advice too seriously....
- Its got great elemental and normal defense which pretty much covers all end game content
Shadow resistance becomes a massive part of end-game content. Also, Gray Feather does very little to aid you in pvp unless you're after easy shock res. PvP also has a high priority on piercing defence, which Gray also lacks. PvP is, after all, end-game content.
-Divine is the worst!
Divine Veil is widely used for a reason. Fitting it with a suit with normal def gives you well rounded defences.
-No normal defense is actually a huge drawback
As in earlier posts, we have been encouraging using Divine Veil with a suit with normal defence. Using full Divine will cause trouble due to lack of normal. Just because Clwn uses the full set doesn't mean that using one part is bad; it also doesn't hurt that the Veil has a fiend bonus while the suit has nothing.
-And the Chaos set is the best.
Chaos set is very tricky to use and simply doesn't work for many loadouts. It requires the right combination of weapons or you're simply losing out on bonuses. Polaris, for example, gains very little from Chaos. There's no point opening yourself up to a mass of negative resistances if all you get is damage:med.
-Also the divine/wolver thing..........everyone does that! Dont be lame like everyone else. Be your own knight
People do it for a reason; because it works. If you enjoy trying something novel and unusual, go for it; plenty of us have odd builds, but don't ignore the standard just because they're standard; ultimately that's just ignoring the builds that have been widely shown to work.
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:10
#9
Chaos: dodge or die
Chaos is a tricky set, lots of status weaknesses for a DMG + CTR everyting boost. It's not really worth taking, unless you get hit very little, or you mix weapon types often. I rarely use Chaos gear for the resistances, only the boosts.
Though it is THE ONLY ARMOUR TO GIVE SWORD CTR (trinkets can too!), but man does a Brandish feel good at CTR V.High.
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:20
#10
Dont listen to Darkbrady
At no time does he ever address the the magic line itself he's just attacking me, for what appears to be no reason.
@darkbrady Read everything first before you pick it apart. I mention that the lack of shadow is an issue in Shadow Lairs, if you knew how to read you'd see that. PVP is not end game because you can always play it. TIER 3 PVP is endgame, but by the time you make it there you have a completely different set of gear you use just for PVP. You constantly pick apart one sentence and attack it even thought the surrounding sentences say exactly what you said. DIVINE IS THE WORST! CHAOS IS THE BEST! Im talking about the SETS not individual pieces
Overall dont listen to Darkbrady. He's clearly just trolling me. As I said earlier, I'VE USED NOTHING BUT MAGIC LINE SINCE THE BEGINNING(going back to WAY before the magic line lost its stun weakness). I clearly have much more experience and expertise about the magic line than some troll.
If you're looking for advice on overall gear, I'm not your man is neither is Brady since all he did was troll me and not offer any real advice, but as it pertains to the MAGIC LINE (learn to read) everything I said is right on point.
And in the end remember the very first thing I said "Go with what works well for you"
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:22
#11
Pretty convinced you're just
Pretty convinced you're just trolling now, Clwn. Up to the OP whether you want to listen or not, I've said what needs to be said~
As far as PvP goes; it may be available all throughout the game, but end-gamers spend a lot of time there and T3 LD is the most active by a long margin. T3 LD is endgame content.
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:26
#12
You're the one trolling
Sorry to inform you, but you are the one trolling Clwnbaby.
His opinion is actually pretty good, and he address specific use cases over general hand-waving. And yes, picking apart sentence by sentence is a very common form of arguing. If your sentences can't resist scrutinity one by one, chances are you are either not expriming yourself well or a little confused.
Your opinion to say divine is bad and chaos is the best are quite unreasonnable. The absence of normal on Divine can be compensated by wearing another part with normal, and Chaos huge resistance debuff is going to get you killed in most situations.
Also, you said that you used only the magic line. That also means you didn't used any other armor to have reference points. That's not actually something you'd want to brag of.
All in all, Brady gives very good, detailed and structured opinions. You just rely on all caps and general weak statements that don't resist scrutinity.
Though I'll agree with that last statement : "Go with what works well for you".
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:28
#13
Clwnbaby
Of course the original poster should go with what works for him (or her). But he was asking us what we expect will work best for him. He wants us to predict his future, before he spends money discovering that a bunch of stuff that doesn't work for him.
Darkbrady generally gives good advice, although it's often a bit unorthodox, which makes it more interesting.
I agree that Grey Feather offers very good defense, and Chaos very good offense, and Divine's lack of normal is a serious weakness. But Darkbrady's note that people use Divine (and Radiant Silvermail, and Dragon Scale) to assemble general-purpose armor sets is useful.
Lack of shadow protection is not an issue in half of the Shadow Lairs (SRJP and SIMF). Lack of shadow is an issue in 3/4 of the danger missions. I agree with Darkbrady that PvP is end-game content, because it's loaded with end-game players bored with the rest of the content, but that dispute is ultimately semantic.
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:12
#14
You all need to learn how to read
The thread is not called "hey what goes well with pieces of the magic line?" Its called "Chaos set, Divine set or Grey feather set?" Which means he wants to know which of the 3 to craft. You can go on and on all day about what goes well with what but you're not addressing his question. My whole argument is I am. I only talk about the magic line and I only use the magic line so I have a pretty good sense about all 3 sets. If the thread was hey what goes well with one piece of the magic line I wouldn't have opened my mouth which you all should have done. Attacking me still doesn't address his original question of which of the 3 is best. I have though!.
@Fradow- no picking apart sentence by sentence is not a good form of arguing especially when u attack one sentence and ignore the other sentences which in fact agree or point out exactly what you are arguing. Its like taking a person's words out of context. If someone said "I hate Americans lack of manners" and u only focus on "I hate Americans" then 2 completely different things are being said. Just because you ignore the 2nd half doesn't all the sudden make your argument sound. (I'll admit this analogy is weak but if you have any brains you'll understand the point I'm trying to make; which u wont)
@Bopp YES! it is semantics. Thank you
So let me state this one more time, Divine the worst! Chaos the best! as a SET, NOT!!!!! individual pieces. Can you read people? A set! not pieces. Not helmet and something else, not armor and something else but both pieces of the set. I dont think I can spell it out any better, but I guarantee someone will comment "u can compensate Divine's lack of normal with a different piece with good normal." NO DUH but thats not what we're talking about.
Again read the thread title before you grab your pitchforks. Feel free to attack me all you want it will fall on deaf ears as I'm not gonna keep checking to hear the same dumb argument that I keep beating down, logically I might add.
READ THE THREAD TITLE!
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 22:12
#15
tl;dr, after I realised
tl;dr, after I realised you're just being stupid/trolling. He's asking which parts would be preferable, but nowhere did he state that he refused to mix and match the sets. All we're saying that if he wishes to make a Divine part, he's better off mixing it with other sets than just using the full set alone.
How about you don't be so pedantic on word choice and answer the actual question while thinking about what's best for the OP?
What if someone made a thread saying "New to the game; Cobalt or Chroma set?" Would you tell him to go for one or the other without even mentioning "hey, btw, might wanna consider another set altogether"? We're trying to help players in this board, not criticise them on their word choice.
Logic transcends semantics.
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 23:08
#16
Semantics ...
Oh well, just semantics.
I just can't advise ANY of those full sets, even if the title says so. Yes chaos set is good, but not for a beginner, the status debuf is just too harsh.
Also, you can see on post #2 that he isn't against using parts.
And on post #5 that his situation seem resolved.
Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:43
#17
Stop messing with my discussion
Dont you try to troll my discussion ok , Clwn
The choice is in my hand so why do you care!
Mon, 11/19/2012 - 04:16
#18
It doesn't matter which is best, Cool.
Besides, there is no such thing as "Use this over [X]" and "The best [X]", remember? It depends on what you're more comfortable with.
Anyway, here's a little comparison between the three sets.
= Chaos set - The glass cannon =
Pros:
+ Gives universal DB (Damage Bonus) and CTR (Charge Time Reduction).
By universal, I mean all weapons, including swords, guns and bombs. For swordsmen like you and other knights, Cool, it can help in weapons that are best used in damage and charges (Like Combuster for damage, etc.).
Cons:
- Weaker defenses compared to Grey Feather.
Sure, both Chaos and Grey have same defense types, but Grey Feather have better Elemental defense, compared to Chaos.
- Negative resistances to statuses.
While it gives Damage Bonus and CTR, they have to Nerf it by giving it negative resistance to 5 status types. If you're using the Faust series, I wouldn't recommend using this set, as it has negative resistance to Curse.
= Divine set =
Pros:
+ Specialized defenses
Divine protects Elemental and Shadow, making this set good for Constructs, Gremlins, Fiends and Undeads.
+ Curse resistance
If you're using Faust while wearing this set, good for you. Having curse resistance can reduce the duration of Curse, the chances of being affected by Curse, and have lesser cursed weapons/vials.
Cons:
- No Normal defense
This is one of the armor sets that doesn't defend against Normal, along with Dragon Scale and Silvermail. In later Tiers, enemies can deal Half Normal/Special in melee attacks, and pure Special in ranged attacks. Some enemies deals pure Normal, so if you're attacked by Normal-dealing monsters, expect greater damage to be done on you. In Divine's case, it defends better in ranged attacks rather than melee attacks.
= Grey Feather set =
Pros:
+ Balanced defenses
Compared to other Magic sets, this is a balanced set for Elemental defense + Fire and Shock.
Cons:
- No special bonuses
Like some of the sets, this set doesn't provide any special bonuses to boost your equipments' performances.
It's hard to advise you any set without more information on how you play : how much weapons, of which type, are you experienced or not ?
A bit of information for each set :
- Chaos set is great for hybrids, but tend to be for more experienced players because of the heavy resistances penalty
- Divine set is arguably the best, but you don't want to have the whole set because there is no normal on it, which accounts for a good part of the damage sources, even in T3. If you get one part only, get the Veil since it has a fiends damage bonus : medium that the mantle doesn't have
- Grey Feather set is a somewhat ok set, but is outclassed by role-specific sets (Vog, Volcanic Demo, Deadshot). The only reason to get it is the shock resistance, which comes with a stun resistance. It doesn't have any offensive bonus, that's the reason why I won't advise it.
Keep in mind that most of the cost of making a 5* item is the upgrade from 4* to 5*, so it may be a good idea to start another piece, for example a Skolver to pair with Divine Veil if you are a swordsman.