Spiral Knights - Confusions and Complexities

Confusions and Complexities

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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 08:37

Counterzero

Huh, that's a great name for an upcoming danger mission....What am I saying?!?!? NVM Getting to the point.
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I've explored these forums and played this game day after day, looking at all the Spur's Complexities, Advantages, and Strategies. But what most people on the forums, (That I've seen), who Spur/Arc Razor/Winmillion wielders is, Why is there no 5* Winmillion? so I've explored that even more and come to find that ever since the Spur Line has been made there has never been a 5* Spur. So then I've seen peoples ideas on what it should be named or looked like. They are pretty good, no doubt, because oOo and Sega are amazing at this type of thing, creating great games. But back in when I first started playing, the Winmillion had about equal strength to a Leviathan Blade. That was my conclusion back then to why there was no 5* Spur. But now in the games of today, the Spur is underpowered during most missions/runs, very much of Vana. Mainly people of skill use Winmillion now. And most people love seeing one Winmillion after a long time. So could I have a good explanation of what is happening currently with the Spur?

Questions I have to be answered:
Is the Spur (Line) just a dead end sword now? D: (I am a Winmillion Wielder)
Is there a 5* Spur being developed that we don't know about? (If there is, please tell us because then people could stop spamming pages with 5* Spur forums)
Is there a reason why there is no 5* Spur? Is it because no one uses it/its not popular?
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I've also come to see that in every forum about the 5* Spur, there has never been a Game Master who answered this question. May this be the 1st of many to be answered please.

Devoted Winmillion Wielder, SirLancer/CounterZero, Beta Tester

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:05

Counterzero

Please...

Please do not allow this to be another dead end thread. All the people, far and wide, across the land and seas, must know what is happening with the Spur

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:07

Darkshaodw

Honestly, I don't

Honestly, I don't know..

Although, not a lot of people use the windmillon. Only the t2 spurs. I don't think that making a 5*spur would be good

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:28

Counterzero

Opinions

Maybe it might not, maybe it will. But that may be your opinion. Winmillion involves tons of skill to handle/learn/know how to use it. Mostly only most skilled people can use the Winmillion because most people on spiral knights these days use Overpowered weapons. Although that's just your opinion and I respect that but think of this, what if your favorite weapon (Or anyone who read this thread) ended at 4*. That would be the same thing to most of you as it is to most Spur holders today.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:35

Darkshaodw

Wow, didn't realize this. My

Wow, didn't realize this. My DA is dead! Great argument there. I guess the spur could be 5*. But the fact is, people just don't use it! If only would stop focusing on ultra brand armor. But most people would use the caliber for normal damage. The new lionheart blades just gave people who don't use normal damage normal damage! OOO is really gona have to buff the spur if they plan to make it 5*

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:39

Counterzero

Yay we haz a Sponser/Supporter

I agree with the buff. Yeah Most people dont use it because it is one of the oldest and most uncommon weapons to use on Spiral Knights. 1 out of 159 Chances you will see 1 Winmillion wielder when doing a Vana/Jelly/Roarmulus/Snarby Run. If there were a 5* Winmillion it would be great because people would come around to it more.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:49

Grittle

I have to disagree A giant

I have to disagree

A giant majority would still use the metagame armor and weapons

Then the tiny amount thinks outside the box

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:51

Counterzero

Searching Around

Searching Around I've Gathered these things:
Name: Winfinity
Charge: 360 Spin with 3 Discs shooting forwards. (360 Spin Includes Blade Damage)
Slash 1: Normal Slash, Small Disk
Slash 2: Normal Slash, 2 Medium Disk \ l /
Slash 3: Normal Slash, 3 Medium Disks (Shoot in 3 angles, AKA -->) \ l /
(* = 1 Bar)
Normal Damage: ******** (8 Bars)
Speed~~~~~~: ****** (6 Bars)
(Design)
Color: Purple
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I've Discovered this was the favor of most of the threads, each thread had it's own thing it discussed about, this is what I managed to find, (That wasnt in the graveyard).

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:52

Little-Juances

With or without a 5*, current spur line is overall weak (or everythign else is too strong) and the only selling point is the fancy looks.
Old RSS only had 4* too, yet they were decently popular.... don't blame everything to the lack of an upgrade.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:53

Corefinder

I used to love my spur...until...

Spur was actually my very first 2* item :) When I was a newbie I used it for every single t1 run I did..until..tier 2 came along o.o
But seeing this thread makes me want to use the spur again...I actually blame spur for my hatred towards the speed of the Sealed Sword line. I used the spur for quite awhile and when I saw DA's and GF's everywhere I decided I would try the sealed sword line out. I ended up wasting 20 jelly tokens because it was.so.slow. So now because I used the spur in my newbie days, I hate slow weapons...I'm sorry DA/Hammer lovers D: I'm basically a brandish line/flourish line fan now. OOO should make a 5* spur, I would Definently try it out :)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 09:55

#10

Counterzero

@Grittle

I understand why you think that. But you still must think that people who do have Winmillion, will want equality like those overpowered weapons. It is true that most weapons are overpowered and that it is kinda stupid, but it is also right to keep in mind that the Winmillion is underpowered and isnt commonly used, that is what makes it special, since it isnt commonly used it could be a rarer item than most other things. So a 5* Spur would be a magnificent occasion.

Even though most people would still use metagame armor and weapons, those who actually see or have potential in skillful fighting would test their skills with wielding a to become 5* Spur

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 10:02

#11

Counterzero

@ All haters of the spur.

I love all the reasons why most people hate it, because it helps the thread and oOo a lot to see why the Spur needs to become 5*...... @Little-Juances I understand And love your reasonings, Although you are mistaken about 1 thing. I am a skilled winmillion user, and I believe it just needs a 5* version. I highly doubt you have ever touched a Winmillion, please note all you haters out there. If you have nothing nice to benefit or to say. Keep it to yourself. That's how you keep an awesome environment, especially in online gaming. I doubt it needs a SERIOUS upgrade because I do solo Vana runs with only a Winmillion and Sentenza.

(Dont ask why Sentenza, Its my only gun and I used to farm Jelly King)

ANd also this forum focus' on the Spur. THe Radiant Sun SHards were not Decently popular, now they are very popular, until the debuff on it, now people hate it JUST BECAUSE IT ISNT OP anymore. This proves people just play to be the best and not for fun or skill. Thank you for pointing that out
Little-Juances.

Please only post positive comments

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 10:18

#12

Counterzero

^ From Last comment

Negative Comments will be clearly thought of as benefits to help support this thread. Negative Posts aren't very well thought through and have weaknesses to how someone can turn a Negative post to a Positive post. Please Support this thread.

@Corefinder and @darkshaodw Thank you for supporting us!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 13:12

#13

Counterzero

I have no intent on not discussing this until I have answers

Not to be rude but I will keep this up until I have answers, not to be rude

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 14:22

#14

Grascen

Do want

@Darkshaodw: "But the fact is, people just don't use it!"

People don't use Winmillion because it's 600 CE spent on a weapon that doesn't have a 5* equivalent. It also doesn't unlock its true power and fun UNTIL you spend the 600 CE to upgrade it to 4*.

@ Sirlancer: "Charge: 360 Spin with 3 Discs shooting forwards. (360 Spin Includes Blade Damage)"

No. Just no. Leave Divine Avenger as the AOE CC charge sword, or else nobody will use it anymore.

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Personally, I made a Winmillion. I love the thing to bits, but I also realize that it's not the best choice when compared to 5* weapons. It, just like the Shard Bombs, needs an upgrade.

I don't see why OOO doesn't jump at this chance to make a Normal/Piercing sword, though. It makes a LOT of sense, if you think about it. Wind = Piercing. You could argue elemental damage would fit an elemental force better, but the properties of wind fit Piercing damage much better.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:36

#15

Nekosniper

5* name should totally be Arcmillion

Winmillion user since preview reporting in.

Winmillion is unpopular simply because it's underpowered. Since it's unpopular, it's probably not high priority on OOO's list of things and will most likely continue being low priority for quite some time. They did fix up the charge attack a while ago, but it still completely disappears if you shield during the initial animation, and in the same update they took away what made the Spur line truly unique--forward lunge on first swing.

tl;dr I miss the forward-step on first swing

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:00

#16

Byas

I used Spur until 3* and then changed to Sealed when I learned that it had no 5*, although is was a fun sword to use. Remembering those times... think I will make a Winmillion now.
I sure wish that it had a 5* version, but those days we should be careful when wishing that or it may become some slow sword that blinds your teammates, throw the enemies everywhere and hits less than a Cautery Sword; Not to mention the legion of players that will rise from nowhere saying that Spur line was not sword-like.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 03:17

#17

Hexzyle

@Grascen

Leave Divine Avenger as the AOE CC charge sword, or else nobody will use it anymore

Not trying to be offensive, but that is a REALLY weak argument.
There isn't allowed to be any sword that slightly resembles another sword's uniqueness because it might draw users away from the latter sword? Isn't the whole point of having hundreds of pieces of equipment to encourage diversity?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:25

#18

Nekosniper

Charge attack

Pssshhhh, everyone knows the 5* charge should shoot a vortex disc.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:09

#19

Hexzyle

@Nekosniper

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110413200508/dragonball/nl/image...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:13

#20

Grascen

@Hexzyle: "There isn't

@Hexzyle: "There isn't allowed to be any sword that slightly resembles another sword's uniqueness because it might draw users away from the latter sword? Isn't the whole point of having hundreds of pieces of equipment to encourage diversity?"

The DA is mostly used for its charge attack. Face it. It's a sword that's pretty damn slow, without ASI Uvs. You also can't mention Lockdown, since the Gran Faust is superior to it due to the chance to curse and less people having shadow defense.

Why pick the Divine Avenger if you can pick a pure normal damage sword that is part ranged, has the same charge attack, and has much much faster normal attacks? Hell, why even give it a spin attack as well as an AOE CC charge attack? There's a difference between diversity and copy + pasting the strongest part of one weapon to make an even stronger weapon.

Unless it functions like Winmillion's charge and only hits the first target, then it'll put DA to utter shame.

Personally, I think it should shoot out a single whirlwind that moves in a curving pattern with a single instance of knockback.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 14:02

#21

Thinslayer

DA or Glacius? DA.

@Grascen: I pick the DA for its knockback. Its sluggishness channels my patience well, and allows it to miss less often than faster swords do. I use the normal swing of the DA more than I do its charge, and I love the blade to death. I own a Glacius ASI Med, but I don't like it as well. It misses too often on the last swing, and doesn't hit multiple targets nearly as well.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 14:11

#22

Softhead

DA vs Normal or piercing variant DA.

What would you think will be better?

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 16:02

#23

Corefinder

I would like to point out something about DA

I know that DA's charge IS used A LOT but the charge isn't the only thing that DA benefits from.. with just a single swing DA already has crowd control powers. So even if the 5* spur was just like he described it to be, MANY people would still use DA because (assuming the 5* spur deals normal damage..)
-DA=elemental damage, not normal Dmg
-Knockback differences
-DA's Regular swing has wonderful crowd control talents
-charge IS DIFFERENT....DA charge is not 360 degrees spinning (I'm assuming the 360 spin would kind of be like the leviathan charge)
-SPEED DIFFERENCE. Personally The speed of the weapon I'm using effects me A LOT.
And I would use both weapons just for The heck of it :)

And about Glacius vs DA..because I do not like the 2 swing or the speed of the DA (even with ASI increase) I choose you Glacius o.o

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 22:54

#24

Kimahsonite

I'm quite upset that most

I'm quite upset that most people here are arguing that there shouldn't be a five star upgrade for the spur JUST because most people don't use it. The reason most people don't use it is BECAUSE there is no five star version. Along with the fact that it's quite weak.

But me being hipster and all, I'd probably get the five star version if it got released.

Also, good luck in getting a GM to post on this thread. They've ignored the spur (and countless other weapons) for over a year now so I doubt they will be bothered to post on this thread. They're probably planning a new ce promo. But again, good luck.

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 02:40

#25

Avixi

Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.

I have no idea if it has to do with anything, but Nick mentioned among other things that the Magnus line isn't recieving a buff because the tools they have at hand won't achieve what he wants them to accomplish (it's a work in progress though). Perhaps a bunch of other things (...like.... Winmillion) won't be buffed or receive their 5* until then?

Fri, 11/30/2012 - 18:09

#26

Hexzyle

@Avixi

You've brought up an extremely good point. The 5 star version will have a quite unique attack, that the OOO team can't implement yet because the data libraries for what they want the weapon to do haven't been written yet.