Spiral Knights - witches blade- tree set

witches blade- tree set

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Fri, 12/07/2012 - 11:40

Myphenox

this is a new sword idea, i know their have been many in the past, but i hope this one can sum up some of the wishes for a new sword set.

IDEA
a sword that starts off titled "witches blade"(2 star), then "initiate blade"(3 star), then for 4 star it shall branch off 3 ways, one inflicting sleep, one inducing poison, and another summoning a curse, and all have area based attacks further on 4 star and up. all theese blades will be medium sword, meaning half speed half strength. the 2 star and 3 star reqiure charge attack ideas if you may.

SLEEP
slightly inspired by sleeping beauty but it certainly goes its length. at its 4 star rating, it can have a red rose at the hilt. the charge attack could create a wave of pricked flowers (stay with me) that puts enemies to sleep. at 5 star, the area can be increased slightly and also could have a blue rose instead of a red rose.
4 star title- "Rose Sword". 5 star title- "Pricked Rose Sword".
POISON
this sword will be black thorned vines with green tinged hinglights, particularly on the thorns. the charge attack will be a a swing from the sword that makes the vine lash out at foes, inflicting damage over a distance at roughly half strength but with double or increased chance of poison to a single enemy. the 5 star version can have the upgrade of swinging the vine over an area of enemies, small angle but a fair amount of squares.
4 star title- "Tangled Blade". 5 star title- "Plague Tangled Blade".
CURSE
being either red or purple, this sword could have an area attack that summons a dark sigil onto the ground, cursing enemies that traverse it. the dark sigils shape is firmly open to discussion. with a slight increase in size from 4 to 5 star.
4 star title- "Sorcerer's Blade". 5 star title- "Darkseer's Blade".

DESCRIPTION
each sword branch is simply a single blade with a vine coiled around it (getting more interesting as stars go up), going just a short way up the blade. as it is alchemised from its original 2 star form the vine gets longer till in enventually goes the length of the blade. the vine also varies in colour, from green (poison), red or blue (sleep) and red or purple (curse). additionaly the curse version may have symbols on exposed parts of the blade, the sleep could have a single rose at the hilt and poison could have a few ivory leaves along the blade.

FAIRY TALE THEME?
sounds strange, but think about it. evil witches, roses, flowers and ivory all associate to fairy tales.

but so do knights.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 12:55

Irthan

Not terrible, but they would

Not terrible, but they would need a veeery slow charge in order to balance them out.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:10

Myphenox

no. they wouldnt as the area

no. they wouldnt as the area isnt exactly massive. strength, again not too large.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:26

Irthan

Sleep and curse are

Sleep and curse are ridiculously powerful, even with sleep's minor heal effect. Any weapon that can perform them readily needs a huge nerf.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 14:49

Myphenox

if you say so. i geuss curse

if you say so. i geuss curse might be a toughie, but poison works at least. maybe it could backfire, self inflicting curse, like the gran faust. if not i will drop a cursed version. as for the sleep sword, try make it a weak status, very low chance, only one enemy affected after all instead of an area attack or do you have an idea to help this thread? im open to ideas to help improve it.
If not, just a poison blade. and i could rename its 4 star or 5 star title "temptresses blade", like refering to intoxicating, tempting enemies. id rename it to keep the idea of "witches" in the balance. its the "witches blade" set after all.
Im open too ideas from all.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 15:33

Steadyeyes

Speed?

first +1 but then what would be the speed, I think it may work with the normal speed (Brandish)

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:32

Luguiru

Before going into alchemy branches we need to know what the basic and charge mechanics are. All I can get from the base version is
"all theese blades will be medium sword, meaning half speed half strength"
which is basically saying "the sword is a sword". Alright. What about it? How about that basic swing mechanic? Is it the same as Calibur/Brandish/Spur? Is it like Troika/Sealed? Cutters? A rubber chicken? How about my pants? Can you attack people with it like I can with my pants? Does having half speed and strength/damage mean anything unless being half of something is compared to something else? Half of what? Which half? Left or right?

Stay away from curse and sleep for a while. Sleep has yet to be balanced (though it still exists in vials because derp) and most of the time curse is responded to by imitating Faust which is bad. It already exists. Making something the exact same as it is not clever. Back to sleep before getting past these two, people have tried to come up with ways to fix sleep many times. Many. Guess how many kept close to the existing system while actually fixing it. Tell me if you find out.

Come here, sit next to me at the table. We have to talk about this before your mother gets home and asks me to wash the dishes.

"this sword will be black thorned vines with green tinged hinglights, particularly on the thorns. the charge attack will be a a swing from the sword that makes the vine lash out at foes, inflicting damage over a distance at roughly half strength but with double or increased chance of poison to a single enemy. the 5 star version can have the upgrade of singing the vine over an area of enemies, small angle but a fair amount of squares."

Visuals are good. Great. Inspirational. Can we focus on how it works first? We can play with colors and stick pencils in our nostrils later. I do that all the time anyway.

"the charge attack will be a a swing from the sword that makes the vine lash out at foes"

You mean how Brandishes swing and shoot a series of explosions, but with vines instead of explosions but still firing in a line?

"inflicting damage over a distance at roughly half strength but with double or increased chance of poison to a single enemy"

Damage over distance like a Brandish. It does half the damage of my pants. It has a poison rate which is better than that my pants can inflict, especially if I eat too many chili burritos and have trouble finding somewhere to drop the bomb.

"the 5 star version can have the upgrade of singing the vine over an area of enemies, small angle but a fair amount of squares"

You mean like the Snarbolax sword charge attack which follows the initial swing with a spray of projectiles which go a short distance?

How you imagine all of this working and how I see it are probably completely different, but all I get from this is more Brandishes.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 17:50

Oatmonster

FAIRY TALE THEME? sounds

FAIRY TALE THEME?
sounds strange, but think about it. evil witches, roses, flowers and ivory all associate to fairy tales.

but so do knights.

Um, with the exception of witches (people were only accused of being witches), all of those are real world things.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 18:29

Canine-Vladmir

This is what i think about Tree Weapons

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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 02:05

Myphenox

no more sarcastic points please.

i do not appreciate the sarcastic comments cropping up. but ill agree to dropping curse and sleep. another two notes, 1- "like the gran faust, IF NOT". this is y isaid if not. i apologise if i wasnt clear but usually people dont want to read pages. second, the idea of fairy theme is kind of inspirational aspect only. obviously i dont want a fairy tale story. so ill drop all that.

for now, the sword mechanics could either be 3 swing or 4 swings in a combo. 4 to make it different from other swords. 3 to make it a heavy type weapon instead, good strength ,low speed. good strength. streng could be a tad lower then the sealed sword set perhaps. the speed a tad higher. using the sword will move you forwards a little each time.

i see where youre comiing from with the brandish, i apologise, i didnt mean to copy or make them too similar. charge mechanics could be altered so that the user strikes left to right 180 degrees, sweeping the area brushing enemies over to the left possibly. over a short range, shorter still at 4 star, or lacks the sweeping motion. either.
and i mispelt swinging as "singing", sorry. my bad.

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