Spiral Knights - Almirian Crusader Armor

Almirian Crusader Armor

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Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:24

Fehzor

When I go to make a piece of armor, I look for what I want to use it for, and I get a UV for it based on how I will use it. Most of the items are obvious- want chroma items? Get poison/fire/elemental/piercing/normal- those are what its good at, and there are reasons to benefit them- normal is good all around, fire/poison for whisp levels, elemental/piercing for more vs slime/oiler/quicksilver.

But almirian crusader armor is better in almost no situation. It gives curse resistance, but less than other items. Its only benefit is normal defense, but honestly I'd never use it for that reason due to deadshot outclassing it in every other way with its handgun bonus low. I understand that its intended to function only as a costume, but surely there must be some reason to get it other than its "very high epeen."

Does anyone use almirian crusader armor in a legitimate way?

And yes, I can answer my own question with a nice firm "No." but I'd like to ask all of you guys.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 15:45

Traevelliath

Same reason one would get something with a sleep uv?

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 00:53

Fehzor

Preparation for the possibility that the devs will actually follow through in the future and re-introduce sleep? Except that we have no idea what almirian crusader would be buffed to become like, in the off chance that it gets made into something nice at some point.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 04:07

Zeddy

I get the impression they balanced this armour according to Azure Guardian. The piercing defence is straight-up replaced with shadow, and since it has more resist in curse, something had to give. Thematically, fire made sense.

It's a nice thought process until you realise that Azure Guardian is vastly underpowered compared to any other armour to begin with. C'mon, OOO, I'm pretty sure it's ceased to be a "cheap" armour at the point where you got a shadow lair upgrade for it.

I think I would like to see sword CTR for it. Those Almirian Crusaders do nothing but charge their swords all day.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 10:47

Traevelliath

I'd rather get their spear first... That smexy spear of theirs...

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 15:17

Fehzor

Well they obviously balanced it to azure guardian... but that makes no sense. No one uses azure guardian armor. There really isn't a good reason for it not to have stats.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 06:34

Dukeplatypus

I have used it before (during

I have used it before (during heating) and it works, it's a legitimate armor, but you always miss the status resists and/or damage bonuses of other armor and how you could be doing so much better with something. Other than that, it's basically an inferior Deadshot that's decent for Graveyards or Candlestick scenario rooms, I suppose. Maybe if you plan on spamming GF charges.
/shrug

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:25

Spizen

I want that armor :P

I know you guys may hate that armor, but I really want to get it, I plan on creating a great look for my character. I would try to obtain it myself, but I don't have enough ce to level up, and trying to complete the mission is virtually impossible for me. Could any of you help me out?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 07:57

Hyperonn

LD?

What about lockdown? A lot of people carry around Gran Fausts, which this armor could be useful against.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 08:04

Little-Juances

^ As if Almirian was the only shadow armor....

There are already easier to get alternatives without the trouble of SLs. And even then, snarbolax set could be considered better.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 08:20

#10

Krakob

@Juances

Except Snarbolax has negative curse so that'd be silly against a Gran Faust.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 08:29

#11

Dementia-Praecox

Wut.

@Krabob

Dat Snarbeh Coat

Thinking of the Black Kat Cowl, maybe?

Also, why are posting on a necro'd thread?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 09:00

#12

Zeddy

@Dementia-Praecox

Snarbolax has negative curse, it's just invisible. You can prove this for yourself by self-cursing using a Faust with and without snarby gear.

In addition, Almirian Crusader has some extra normal defence compared to Snarbolax. It should shave off maybe 5 out of hundreds of damage from Gran Faust hits.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 09:08

#13

Little-Juances

Buut almirian has no damage bonus. With snarbolax you kill faster, probably saving you from receiving more hits and a curse.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 09:13

#14

Krakob

@Dementia-Praecox

What Zeddy said. We just tried this out.
No Snarby: 43 sec curse, two weapons, 7½ pips damage.
One piece of Snarby: 43 sec curse, two weapons, 8 pips damage.
Two pieces of Snarby: 43 sec curse, two weapons, 8½ pips damage.
It's minor, really. But it is.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 10:09

#15

Zeddy

Here's a picture of testing it with just the headpiece. The armour is Ironmight every test.

@Little-Sombrero
Possibly. I will science your statement. A good way to estimate how much damage your weapon does in Lockdown is to simply look at neutral damage at depth 25. Enemies at depth 25 has 140 defence against neutral targets, and this happens to be, say, the elemental and normal defence of someone wearing full Chaos. It's 145 for the normal part on Skolver, not that big of a difference.

Let's attack someone wearing full Snarbolax with our Gran Faust.

At depth 25, our damage is 235, 340 against such a neutral target without damage bonus.

Our target is a striker. (15 pips - 4 pips) * 41 health/pips = 451 health. 239 + 344 = 583 damage, more than enough to kill a snarbolax without health trinkets. I hear using the full combo is suicide, so let's not do that. 239 + 239 = 578. That's STILL enough to take a snarbolaxed striker out in two hits.

Let's pack some damage bonus. I'll spare you the gory details, but I'm going to pump us up to max damage.

Our damage is now 375, 630 against someone in Snarbolax armour.

Okay, wow. That second hit can now one-shot a snarbolax striker wearing a triheart pendant , but the first hit will still not be able to take out our untrinketed opponent. Wasn't the second hit suicide or something? It would only be of very occasional use, which can also be said about Almirian's extra curse resistance and normal defence.

But that wasn't a very realistic test. Let's make it a realistic test.

Our target is a striker (15 pips - 4 pips + 6 pips + 6 pips) * 41 health/pips = 943 health. 375 + 630 = 1005 damage. But let's omit that second hit, since it's suicide. 943 / 375 = 3 hits to kill, or 1125 damage inflicted. Clearly, some of our damage is being wasted here. How low can we go?

3 * (531 * x - 280) = 943, where x is our damage bonus.

x = (943 / 3 + 285) / 531 = 1.129

Each point of damage bonus is 4%, so it looks like high will exactly not be enough versus a Snarbolax. You'll probably want a Very High. With this in mind. At any rate, a max bonus is most certainly wasted. You might want to wear one piece of Vog Cub for the speed, or perhaps experimentally play using full Heavenly Iron. Of course, that last one will leave you in trouble against Polaris. An alternative loadout is this:

Snarbolax Cap
Almirian Crusader Armour
Dual Pentas
Striker Boost
Gran Faust

But wait, I'm not done yet!

Let's assume your opponent is a Skolver rather than a Snabolax. That means no shadow defence, which means 245 reduction rather than 285.

x = (943 / 3 + 245) / 531 = 1.053

You can get by with no damage bonus whatsoever apart from the one included in your striker shield. Use DA for a snarbies and GF for vogs/skolvers and you can wear full Almirian Crusader with no change to your effectiveness.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 14:59

#16

Tyeman-Forums

almire armor huh

I use it everywhere! all ways been told "it's not a good armor tyeman" but hey, I find it to be a awesome multipurpose armor that I bring everywhere even in places crawling with fire

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 17:54

#17

Fehzor

@Tyeman

And do you have any other armors to compare it to? Because if there is a better armor then why wouldn't you just use that?

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 18:16

#18

Tyeman-Forums

because A. it's awesome and

because A. it's awesome and B. I just find it handy

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 18:23

#19

Little-Juances

If you're so good to play with almire on a fire level, then just wear chaos :P
There's no point on wearing Almire and miss out such offensive bonuses.

Awesomeness doesn't count, there's this feature called "wear armor as costume"

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 18:35

#20

Tyeman-Forums

hmmm

i'll stick with my almire thhhhhx lol

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:47

#21

The-Mighty-Potato

Nice necro, btw :P

I personally don't think it should have fire penalty. Think about it, it's a reward basically for completing what's supposedly the hardest place in the game. So you would expect the gear to be somewhat actually decent. I think it should be switched round to fire resistance and curse penalty.

So what if it's shadow and fire? Fallen set has that but fiend penalty + poor defence (I haven't used it but the ASI must be pretty nice). Almarian Crusader set is meh defence at L1 and has literally no offence bonuses.

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