Spiral Knights - The vana problem.

The vana problem.

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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:11

Knight-Of-India

This is a problem that all vanguards know about :-
3* and 4* coming to vana we all know that vana is the best crown farmer level in the game that is the reason why these people come in it can't the devs create somekind of system to stop this because we all know that the more the people in a party the more the hp the monsters have. So why should i carry a 3* OR 4* person threw it and the baddest part it they join you in between if there is space this is just stupid. So i ask the devs to build some kind of thing to stop this like all vanguards and champions will be given a pass to enter vana and one more thing why does a party get locked if a person is kicked that is just stupid if the party doesn't get locked then atleast a decent vanguard can join.

PS i don't care if any 3* or 4* person says this is stupid and for those of you who think what i am saying about the monster hp thing is wrong pls check the link below.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Party

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:33

Possiblespy

Don't have anything to say, I'd just like to try to fix that...

This is a problem all Vanguards know about: knights in 3* or 4* gear joining FSC runs.

We all know that FSC is the best level to farm for crowns on, and that's the reason these knights join. Can't the developers create some kind of system to stop this? The more knights in a party, the more health the monsters have. Why should I have to carry someone in 3* or 4* gear through it? The worst part is that they can join in the middle of the run if there's a space open. So, I ask for a way to stop this, such as all Vanguards and Champions having a pass to enter FSC.

One more thing: why does the party get locked if someone gets kicked out? If it didn't get locked, you'd be able to let a Vanguard join instead.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:39

Breaker-Xd

There's nothing to fix,

aside from your English.

Just ask the party leader to lock the party. Since only Vanguards (well, at least mostly vanguards) have access to the mission to start a mission lobby, it already effectively limits the level of players coming in.

Or go solo, if you think health is an issue.

Regarding kicking and autolocking... just kick and manually lock the party. It's a waste of the developers' times to implement something that already exists.

@Knight-Of-India Ur gR@m3Rz &nD $p31L1nG 1S B@Dz. Fix your English, mate.
Learn how to use party-leader options, or simply ask your party leader to do these things for you.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:09

Knight-Of-India

@ Breaker-Xd

I totally agree i have to fix my grammar but imagine this :-

A friend of your's who is a vanguard wants to join your party but the party is locked. You unlock it and by the time you send a invite to him one of the party member's 3* or 4* friends joins.Now what are you going to do? If you kick him the party gets locked and your vanguard friend can't join and if you request him to leave and if he is one of those "no i won't" type's you are stuck aka you are stuck till the next level and if this all happens on say one depth before the throne room he can't even join you on the next level.

And for the past few days i have been seeing 3* and 4* people as party leaders please read below :-
1 A vanguard starts a mission lobby.
2 His 3* OR 4* friend joins him and then leaves the party creating his own mission lobby.
3 A few vanguards join the party and since he is the leader he can't be kicked.
4 And that is how a 3* 4* person goes into FSC without any problem.

That is the reason why i want some system up.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:31

Thunderbog

@Knight-Of-India

Ye already have that kind of system.

From the starting of choosing a mission, ye have 6 options. Tick 'Start a party' and 'Invite Only' and leave the others unticked.

If ye want to invite friends, assuming ye wanted 'professionals', tick 'Allow Friends'.
If ye want to invite guildsmens, assuming ye wanted 'professionals', tick 'Allow Guild'.

'Tis all ye need, now I shall say 'knife' and 'splat' yer tasty morsel and bury it for the pathogens.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:55

Knight-Of-India

@ Thunderbog

Have you forgot that any of your friends can join even without an invite?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 03:21

Zaffy-Laffy

Zaffy is Laffy

Untick "Allow Friends"
Untick "Allow Guild"
Invite only.

"why does the party get locked if someone gets kicked out? If it didn't get locked, you'd be able to let a Vanguard join instead."

#1, it becomes restricted for the rest of the depth.
#2, Simple reason, avoid preference. So you wanna kick a weaker member to get a better one in? Now tell me why we should allow you to do that?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:23

Hexzyle

@Knight-Of-India

One more thing: why does the party get locked if someone gets kicked out? If it didn't get locked, you'd be able to let a Vanguard join instead.

The reason for this is to prevent a (completely) tyrannical party leader environment. If a party leader was able to kick and invite at will, he could just replace members of the party with his friends as he deems fit. The kick option is only there for removal of people who are outright obnoxious, or who are absolute trouble makers. Not to replace "sub-optimal" members of a party with "better" people.

The restriction of parties upon a kick also prevents looping of levels.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:46

Knight-Of-India

@Zaffy-Laffy

#2, Simple reason, avoid preference. So you wanna kick a weaker member to get a better one in? Now tell me why we should allow you to do that?

If that player is a 3* or 4* player i would gladly kick him because he is not allowed to come to fsc.
and hexzely if the leader wants to do a run with his friends he should create a "invite only " party in the first place

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:06

Little-Juances

""why does the party get locked if someone gets kicked out? If it didn't get locked, you'd be able to let a Vanguard join instead."

Well, this was more obvious in the arcade, you could leave an alt at beggining of FSC to get quick access to it without having to repeat the previous strata for a 2nd run.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:08

#10

Psychodestroyer

"and hexzely if the leader wants to do a run with his friends he should create a "invite only " party in the first place"

...

/facepalm

That's what they've been saying to you, baka. If you don't want '4* idiots' joining your party, SET IT TO VOGDAMNED INVITE ONLY.

Also, Hex is telling you why it works like that. Quit being arrogant and shut up and listen for once.

Facts are:
1) 4* Hoh clearance is needed to access T3. T3 can only be accessed by players with at least one set of 4* gear. 4* players are cleared for FSC, whether you like it or not. Just because their gear isn't as good as yours doesn't mean you're better than them. You're an idiot if you're judging them by gear level alone, end of that chapter.

2) Lower-Tier cleared people cannot join your party unless you invite them, in all cases. Even in your friends list on an 'Allow friends' party. If they're not T3 cleared, they can't join T3 until invited.

3) It is already available to use the 'Invite only' option on your party. Use it indtead of whining that people are joining your party when you don't want them to.

4) If you find a 3* person as a PL, tough. You decided to jump a party, you either deal with the hand you're dealt or abandon ship.

" i don't care if any 3* or 4* person says this is stupid"

I don't care if you think this isn't stupid or that 4* people being able to run T3 is stupid. The former is, the latter isn't. Deal with it, and quit whining like a spoiled brat.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:58

#11

Thunderbog

@Knight-Of-India

"Have you forgot that any of your friends can join even without an invite?"

" 'Invite Only' and leave the others unticked."
'Invite Only'
"leave the others unticked"
" Invite Only' "
"Untick 'Allow Friends' "
INVITE ONLY, UNTICK ALLOW FRIENDS
IN
VITE
ON
LY
UN
TICK
ALLOW
FRIENDS
BUTCHY

Remember, dude, remember. Reply #4. REPLY #4.

Damn, I can only hug Kokuhane for this and leave the other indonesian/indian players off the hill.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:33

#12

Klipik

And maybe we should have it so that 3* players can't get into ALL 4* and 5* areas! And then we could link the different missions so that you could go from one mission right into the next. They could call it: The Arcade.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 03:03

#13

Trained-Flame

I am 4* and i do vana from the gates

I think you shouldnt waste the devs time by saying this as I agree for 3 stars as they are T2 but 4* ARE T3 AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO VANA

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 08:36

#14

Klipik-Forum

Nice 5-month necro.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 08:49

#15

Dementia-Praecox

Why don't people understand.

Trained-Flame, do not necro-post. It greatly frowned upon in this forum, unless what you post brings new insight to the thread, which this doesn't.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 04:41

#16

Green-Neko

Le sigh*

How about the other accepting vanguards? The ones who don't mind having T2/T3/T4 players on their team. If you have a problem with having "noobs" on your team, you can just simply kick them out. I mean, why the heck not? Or are you too lazy to just give em the boot? OR you could set it to friends/guild only. Or you can solo the damn thing yourself. You know that a lot of T2-T4 players are curious and/or just doing it for the loot. If you really have a problem with em, JUST KICK EM OUT DANGIT.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 09:53

#17

Dementia-Praecox

>_>

@Green-Neko Stop being a necromancer. This thread is dead.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 10:01

#18

Dekuinanutshell

Gimmi my idiot spray

Alright, hes already getting chopped up from atleast everyone in this forum...as for me I have one thing to ask. How the hell did you get to vanguard (or champion for that matter) Without noticing the party systems options to lock your own party? Its just really confusing that someone could conjure this much derpness in one category.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 19:28

#19

Green-Neko

Oops

@Dementia-Praecox
I'm sorry. I should have known this thread was dead. I'm sorry.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 20:54

#20

Ainogommon

troll face

I don't know why but I like Vana run Solo with proto set(except weapon) video.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 21:39

#21

Batabii

They need to prevent people from running FSC if they aren't qualified/prepared. It's not fair for other people to drag them through just because they're lazy, greedy, and impatient.

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 09:51

#22

Thorfinns

RIP

Missions killed this game :(

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 11:08

#23

Dementia-Praecox

I give up.

Seriously people, -look- at the dates on these posts before typing away.

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 14:03

#24

Quaquonfaes

You are absolutely right, if only there was a magical way to KICK unwanted players from a party... too bad there isn't one.

Seriously now, I don't think 3* or 4* people joining my party makes it more difficult, I remember times where It was me (vanguard in 5*) and my 3 friends (2 knights and one elite knight in 3*) and we did the entire run with no energy revives, better than another times where it was me and another 3 vanguards in 5*.

There was another time where it was me 1 friend knight and 2 vanguards, one of them told me to kick the knight and invite a van. I said not, and in the end the guy who died the most was this van.

In short: Don't judge people by rank or gear.

No support.

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 15:10

#25

Thegreatpiggy

Man, I laugh at this.

So, let me just quote this from a man I know.

The armor you have doesn't matter, but your skill does. You can't beat the Roarmulus Twins if you don't know how to even with the best gear. So, what if they only have 3 star gear? If they know how to do the level, then they are fine. Armor is not everything..........

-TheGreatPiggy

If they have bad gear, and still suck, then it's kicking time for them.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:39

#26

Hearthstone

I know a person who can do the first four levels of FSC with only 4* gear. His only problems are the wheelies.

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