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Sat, 01/12/2013 - 18:34
Rickypeter's picture
Rickypeter

I happen to now have an unbound ashtail coat with freeze high uv, it also has a heavy parrying blade attached :)

was planning on upgrading it to snarby to help me really on heart of ice mission, not sure if heavy blade matches the snarby thou,

should i stick with it or sell it and get fire resist snarb for fsc or upgrade to skolver for ice queen?

i dont think freeze on vog is needed really, though it probably matches that the best cosmetically.

may end up selling it
any ideas of price i could get?

i already have fire med shadowsun gunner set for fsc mind

but don't own any wolver 5 star piece coats and i dont play t3 lockdown only t2

EDIT I sold it for 300k on AH so moved this to graveyard

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 20:09
#1
Machina-Kai's picture
Machina-Kai
Fire resist Snarb is a much

Fire resist Snarb is a much more lucrative investment in the long run if youre gonna farm fsc

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 20:13
#2
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
Unfortunately there are two

Unfortunately there are two conflicts right now the first is the Parrying blade not matching the snarby coat and the second is that high freeze uv will not do so good on the skolver as it already has max freeze on it so i would go with the uv and upgrade to Snarby coat.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 20:44
#3
Bopp's picture
Bopp
defense adds beyond Maximum!

high freeze uv will not do so good on the skolver as it already has max freeze on it

Unlike offensive bonuses, damage protections and status resistances add beyond Maximum! in general. See the wiki page "Abilities". For example, a Vog Cub Coat with a fire UV definitely resists fire better than one without the UV. I suspect that the same would be true for Skolver or Snarbolax with a freeze UV.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 21:06
#4
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart
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make it a Snarby, since it doesn't have full freeze resist you need a high anyway to get minor freeze immunity without trinkets.
for Ice Queen you just need a freeze low or a trinket if you're using skolver.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 21:17
#5
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
You do know Bopp that any

You do know Bopp that any status resistance beyond 10 points doesn't count even if you get 12 on the skolver set it will still give 10 point freeze resistance so i stand by my opinion upgrade it to a Snarby Coat if you don't have a Fire resistance wolver.

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:58
#6
Batabii's picture
Batabii
I swear we have another

I swear we have another wolver-gear thread every week....why don't you just scroll down the page or read the swordsman guide?

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 03:01
#7
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Obvious answer is obvious

Because that would require people to actually pay attention.
Evidence being Rawr's old gun giveaway thread, which I swear gets necro'd by some 5* beggar every month.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 07:28
#8
Rickypeter's picture
Rickypeter
hmm

didnt want this to descend into another wolver thread, i was tired when i wrote it, and i have read the guide,

this isnt gonna be my first 5 star armour,

basically just want your opinions on which should determine my upgrade, the freeze uv or the heavy blade as one of them will probably go to waste

if i do sell it i probably wont be getting fire resist snarby as i already have fire resist shadowsun set (both pieces fire med)

actually might go for vog so can have freeze resist elem armour

as i have freeze shadow defence- dread skelly,
fire shadowsun as above,
freeze pierce - royal jelly (never ever use this one)
fire elem - salamander - waiting on shadow lair to upgrade to arcane

thus it is still useful then

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 08:31
#9
Aureate's picture
Aureate
The thing is...

If you want freeze resist, you're really going to want freeze resist.
Ergo you turn it into something that already gets freeze resist, so it stacks up and you can be pretty much immune.
I also know of no circumstance where you would really want freeze resistance paired up with elemental defence.

Sun, 01/13/2013 - 11:56
#10
Batabii's picture
Batabii
I also know of no circumstance where you would really want freez

What about for lockdown? You know shivermist buster is elemental, right?

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 02:29
#11
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
Yeah it is but the Skolver

Yeah it is but the Skolver Set is immune to the freeze it causes and besides not many people use the Shivermist Buster as the charging can get you killed but if played correclty its an awesome weapon for annoying players.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 02:33
#12
Batabii's picture
Batabii
Are you kidding? it's

Are you kidding? it's basically a WALL OF FREEZE. The only way through it is with max resist, otherwise you're a sitting duck.

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 02:38
#13
Aureate's picture
Aureate
...It's still a haze bomb.

I was unaware that people use the initial detonation of Shivermist for damage purposes in LD, and the danger generally comes from the haze that lingers over time rather than the initial blast.
If you turned it into Vog, then you'd have a slightly shorter duration of freeze, whereas if you turned it into Skolver, you could potentially waltz through the haze without any fear of getting statused - as long as you pair it up with another max freeze resist (say, a second UV-free piece of Skolver).

Mon, 01/14/2013 - 22:23
#14
Batabii's picture
Batabii
extra damage doesn't hurt.

extra damage doesn't hurt. You should see how much it does against mobs, even the ones that are immune to the freeze.

Tue, 01/15/2013 - 03:08
#15
Aureate's picture
Aureate
...

What, in PvP?
We're discussing the usefulness of a Freeze High UV on a Skolver Coat as compared to on a Vog Cub Coat. Most players aren't going to be in the blast radius when that bomb goes off, especially not close enough to the central detonation, and doubly so due to the new 'danger circles' they added in to show you how far the fuse has gone. I'd rather have the possibility for complete immunity to minor freeze as opposed to, say, getting reduced damage from the initial blast (which is not the primary danger of the bomb), and still getting frozen long enough for someone to launch a charge attack in my face.

Whilst I am aware that it does a not-insignificant amount of damage against mobs, that isn't the purpose that most people will use it for. It's a crowd control bomb, not a damage one. If you want your elemental damage, then Voltaic Tempest would be a better option.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 01:35
#16
Bella-Donna's picture
Bella-Donna
boop

Snarby:
6 points freeze resist
3 points poison
shadow and normal protection (Better for PVE)

pair with another snarby piece to get 9 points freeze resist

Skoalver:
7 points freeze resist (shiver immunity in LD)
piercing and normal protection (Better for LD)

pair with ice queen or another skolver for 11 points freeze resist and possibly 4 points stun resist or sword damage bonus. Great for Ice Queen or nice for LD shiver immunity while still keeping space for another armor piece like divine veil.

Vog Cub:
3 points freeze resist
4 points fire resist
elemental and normal protection

Not recommend at all.

Edit: Isn't it 7 points is immunity to minor status?

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 02:02
#17
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart
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6 for LD guardian
7 for LD striker/recon
9 for PvE

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 04:58
#18
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
I would go for the snarby

And mind you, snarby is in its way better than skolver since it resists annoying GF Skolver clones. Also with the UV that thing is almost as good as a normal skolver. I would get snarby.

Also Snarby is a good for both PvE and PvP. Sadly though it is rather expensive because of the SL key price :(.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 06:36
#19
Fradow's picture
Fradow
"Sadly though it is rather

"Sadly though it is rather expensive because of the SL key price"
If you think that, you are doing it wrong. When you share the price of the key (if you are not, you are basically paying other people to carry you), it cost 450CE to craft a part (let's not account for the fact that the run is also profitable). At current market price, that's about 31/32KCr. The thing is, with SL crafts, you don't need to pay the recipe (since the alchemy machine hold all of them) : the premium for crafting a SL armor is about 6-7K compared to a normal armor. And this can shift in favor of SL parts if you buy a mat for cheap before and craft 2 armor at once, since mats can go for about 10K (market price fluctuates a lot).

I would still choose Skolver for the LD freeze immune with only one part : that way you are free to choose whatever you want for the other part. Except if you want double Snarby to get freeze immune AND protect against GF users, but I wouldn't adivse that.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 10:00
#20
Bella-Donna's picture
Bella-Donna
@Fradow

I felt that it wasn't worth doing an SL unless you are crafting two or more pieces of armor. Since SLs give about the same as they take away for a party of 4 the ce price isn't bad. The main cost of an SL is getting the gear to survive it.

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