I really don't feel comfortable doing it with pubbers. Otherwise, I have no problem.

well, with gremlin arenas, a room full of bombers can be a problem...

slimes ARE easy as pie... until you find yourself fighting metal slimes with electric areas of the floor...

I don't think most people realize how important/profitable it is to do danger rooms, and they don't realize it's profitable even if you have to energy rez once or twice. That doesn't even take into account the chance to get something better than crowns/heat from a treasure box (even though it is a very low chance).

I don't buy CE with cash. Any CE that I need for forging comes from the crowns I earn. That said I don't like to waste CE when doing runs. In order to do a complete JK run without using any CE it is required that I have at least 75 energy (this is if I start from the mansion or 1 level down and counting the slow energy regen). The quality of public parties is questionable, and it usually takes me 2+ tries to find one competent enough to kill the king. I have 2 tries from 100 energy to find a party that's suitable (this is assuming they're somewhere in clockworks not in the mansion). I usually take both those tries to find a party, and sometimes that's not even enough. Now I'm at 80 energy and in the worst case scenario I'm at the very first level down from the mansion. This means that I can die once (or open one gate) on the way down and pay for my own revival. Any more than that and I start running into my CE to get myself down.

I'm perfectly willing to do danger rooms, but not on my energy dime. I would much rather save my energy for a revival which, may end up saving my party, than use it on a few extra crowns and a chance to get items I might never use. Now, if I have extra energy because I found a competent party on the first try or I got to start on a lower floor, I would want to keep at least 15 energy in reserve for revivals (this gives me 2 revivals instead of 1). Also, if I spend my energy to open a gate and my party members don't want to follow me in (always afraid this might happen) I just wasted 3 energy for nothing -_-. At this point I do not stop at danger rooms unless 2 or more people in my party stop or someone just goes and opens the door.

i handle danger rooms pretty well now. I'll even solo any i come to through t2 if i feel like it. BUT something i noticed before:

it seemed impossible unless you had gear for the next tier.

as in, i couldn't live through t1 danger rooms until i had my t2 gear, t2 rooms until i had t3. not saying that's always the case. just a reoccurring pattern. of course, i was always with random people, which kinda sucks.

"whats the point of doing danger rooms? they give me nothing that I already Don't have... if I'm in a dire need of crowns and Heat I'd do a simple jelly run which is way faster and much much more efficient. and what possibly good mats could u get from a danger room?"

I don't understand this whatsoever. If you don't want crowns, heat, or mats, then why are you even going into dungeons in the first place? I run into danger rooms all the time on the way to the Jelly King, or at least I did when I was boring and ran him a bunch of times in T2. They're an extremely energy efficient way to get crowns.

You may as well ask "what's the point of advancing your character or having fun?", since danger rooms abound with both.

I don't understand this whatsoever. If you don't want crowns, heat, or mats, then why are you even going into dungeons in the first place? I run into danger rooms all the time on the way to the Jelly King, or at least I did when I was boring and ran him a bunch of times in T2. They're an extremely energy efficient way to get crowns."""""""""""

u know completely didn't think that through.... the amount of time I spent wasting on that tier 2 danger room that prolly ends up being gremlins that gives like no heat at all especially if its before the vendor stage is just not worth it. perhaps if u got a chance of an actual decent rare drop at the end it might be worth the effort or time. if its a slime danger room u got lucky u can just melee everything if its a gremlin u gotta run around in circles tring to kill the healers while u get chased down by the other gremlins.

and like I said if I need heat or crowns I'd do a jelly run that still counts as a dungeon I can get to stage 15 & 16 in about 7 minutes via just speed running through the stages, some people really have no idea how large the amount of heat u get from stage 15.

and stage 16 is just god tier for leveling up stuff and making money

hmm, if someone else is adamant about going in, I'll go but otherwise I don't care. The three energy doesn't bother me so long as my energy is not divisible by 5 or 10 (similarly, this is why I don't have much problem opening one treasure door).

I also don't have a problem with random parties. It's fun to play with others, they screw up sometimes, sometimes I'm the screw up, but whatever. I have a general opinion that most of the people running JK are decent, why? Because more than once I've went in with people who never even made it to the king and they came out victorious with me (and I don't use awesome equipment).

So why do I tend to skip them? Well since I'm primarily on a JK run and most danger rooms tend to be on the stratum before that, [if you ignore the fact that I rarely even walk down from moorcraft anymore], it IS the revivals that are my issue.

Reviving once or twice is a problem especially if I'm to go to JK where I tend to still die at least once (and waiting for your party members to revive you is kind of a no no there unless you can tell its almost over). As far as profit is concerned, if the reward is 1000 crowns and I revive twice that's roughly 400 crowns gained (15 energy is roughly 600 crowns). Yup, that's a gain, not to mention possible tokens and materials, but I feel my time is better spent elsewhere. And then if I die in JK, I lose my shot at reviving to finish him because if I do, even once, that means fighting JK cost me 1200 crowns (10 for entry, 20 for revive. 400*3).

Now I will admit, those times I've went in Danger Rooms since I've gotten better, I tend not to have to revive with energy so long as I have a party, but this is just Tier 2 anyway. It's not enough of a draw for me. I could get down to the next level and move on faster. I'd like to point out that since I rarely waste energy on the first half of a stratum, monitoring my friends and guildmates progress is more important and the faster I get done, the faster I can jump in on their run at a beneficial time. Additionally, that allows me to potentially meet more people to add so I can do this even more (and they can do the same if they wish).

I do not skip arenas. They may be of a similar concept, but I feel freer in there, even with the final spike area. And I tend to know how things appear even if I don't know what appears. But does anyone really skip arenas? I've only ever seen one person say let's leave early and that's because they had to do something in RL. The other time was when I was with a new to Tier 3 group and we struggled a bit through the second room so we skipped the third one.

@dukelexon, if you drop and go solo, is the danger room still balanced (enemies hp) for a party of four? I ask this because i've noticed if someone drops out of a party of four in a graveyard there are still 4 phantoms. Also i've noticed if i join someone in a graveyard--now 2 people, if they are at the very beginning there will still be 2 phantoms, but if they are mid dungeon, only 1 phantom.

@NegimaSonic, that is a perfectly acceptable reason to not do danger rooms. i might not like you not wanting to do it if i was on your team, but at least you have a well thought out reason/strategy for not doing them. Good job :)

@Jeburk, I probably will still do them, but like I said, people gotta want to do them, alone I just don't care right now >.>

Smells like E-peen in here.

@jeburk

That's an interesting quirk about graveyards, I never knew that (then again, graveyards are another one of those things that tend to actually be easier to do solo). It's been my experience in other types of strata, however, that going solo will immediately cause the whole level to reload (bringing you back to the splash page), and the enemy difficulty re-adjusts at the same time.

Huh. I was in a T3 graveyard earlier today with two others and went solo. I only had one phantom on me at any given time, but the zombies that were spawned from before I went solo seemed to have the HP standard for a 3-man group.

Most randoms I play with seams to be allergic to money.. They run past danger rooms.. dash throught graveyards and dont take time to slash the bushes..

I want the money guys!!

I used to be in the "Danger rooms are always worth it!" camp, but I've been screwed too many times. I can handle four out of five danger rooms, but once in a while you're hit with something completely ridiculous, like six invulnerable Quicksilvers. I don't think I'll be encouraging groups to do any more danger rooms until there's a way to give up on the room and finish the rest of the run.

^ if that was a reference to The Lion King, then you're my hero!

I love danger rooms and arenas, danger rooms in tier 1 and 2 I can normally solo with no problem. 3 Energy is worth approximately 120-150 crowns... I make that up probably a good 10 times over between killing everything and the lovely chest room. Arenas are even better. No Energy required to do all 3 parts (assuming you don't die), a ton of crowns from the enemies, 31 treasure chests (even though only 1-3 are usually red chests), and unlike a danger room they're the same strength as regular monsters in that stratum.

Overall its a net gain usually. What I refuse to pay for (but I see others do a lot when I'm in parties) is the treasure room Energy doors. Even if its 2 red chests and 2 green chests, which seem to be the best one they ever give, the chests don't normally give enough to make up the cost of opening the door.

~Gwen

Yeah, a fairly good tactic is to stand in the middle and use some sword that knockbacks on first hit and doesnt make you move.

Shock stage hazards do not supercharge Quicksilvers.

T2 Quicksilvers shock themselves, too.

"T2 Quicksilvers shock themselves, too."

I did countless quicksilver danger rooms when Onyx Falcon was up and they never self shocked.

If Quicksilvers can self shock, it'd be really nice to know when they do that as opposed to being charged by a player. We had a Danger Room go south when a mass of quicksilvers charged, and nobody was really certain who was at fault (two players had voltechs, and swore they never fired them). That's just another situation that would drive players away from danger rooms.