Spiral Knights - Please read if you want the price of energy to be lowered.

Please read if you want the price of energy to be lowered.

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Tue, 01/22/2013 - 20:28

The-Rawrcake

Developers cannot directly lower the price of energy, the players have to lower it themselves by changes made by the developers to indirectly lower the cost of energy. You control supply and demand directly, and the developers indirectly.

Due to this, asking the developers to "lower energy" doesn't really help them. Giving them ways to both profit themselves as well as the players is what you want.

Wanting developers to lower the price of $$$ (I refer to IRL money as $$$) to buy CE does not help (with the intention of more CE = more supply). You truly need to fully trust them to set $$$ prices. They use equations, they estimate things like every x increase, based on sales in the past, y people will not buy. You cannot tell them to lower / higher $$$ prices for any reason, because we do not know their past sales (they don't release the information of their sales for many, many reasons, like it influencing wether or not a player will play) to make estimations.

Keep in mind that OOO will not reduce their profit just to increase the buying power of the crown. OOO profiting = more development, and keeps this game alive. Paying OOO is not wasted money. For another topic, paying taxes is not wasted money. Both are similar.

Messing with crown payouts. More crowns = higher energy prices due to more demand for energy, so do not ask for general (across the board) higher crown payouts! (due to economic equilibrium, literally nothing will happen as the result of this. Just bigger numbers and headaches due to MATH) Wanting crown payouts to be highered for mission ranks 1-5 is a good idea to let new players afford energy, but this will in fact higher the price of energy to a degree and ends up being unfavorable for experienced players.

Promotions. They have been used before as a "triple profit": $$$ for OOO, appeal to new / free to play players wanting lower energy prices as well as pay to play players wanting fancy things. Promotions are the best deal there is! Not only do we get fancy stuff to buy (I still remember the day of the Dragon Wings, first accessory promo, it was epic lol shadow wings and divine wings with just 2 buys not to brag tho but yeah) but new players get temporary lowered energy prices.

EDIT: Promotion also benefit the rich. I typed this out below in one of my later posts, and forgot to put it up top: If you want energy prices to be high? kinda silly in my opinion. You want energy prices to be dirt low if you are rich during a promo, not high. You sell CE when it is high, and buy CE when it is low. Turn all energy into crowns when it is high - if you are rich, sitting at tons of energy not during a promo is not smart - you never know when it is going to strike. When a promo causes a large downfall in energy prices, you buy tons of energy and don't convert back to crowns until the economic equilibrium takes place and it is high again. If you are complaining about low energy prices then you aren't playing the energy market correctly in my opinion.

Considering the amount of promotions we have had in the past, this tells us that, based on past sales, promotions are in fact profitable for OOO. We can assume this without much doubt without even knowing past sales.

Soooooo...

if you want lower energy prices, just ask for more promotions! rawrcake wants a new pair of wings.

Tue, 01/22/2013 - 20:58

Iron-Volvametal

"if you want lower energy prices, just ask for more promotions! rawrcake wants a new pair of wings."

"rawrcake wants a new pair of wings."

"wants a new pair of wings."

"wants a new pair"

"wants"

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Tue, 01/22/2013 - 21:15

Zenpai

/e agrees with Ironskullkid

Tue, 01/22/2013 - 21:54

Acid-Snow-Wiki

Okay...

While I enjoyed the low prices during the Winterfest promo (and am content that it hasn't yet risen to pre-Winterfest, 7.5-8k levels yet), I didn't really enjoy the Promo itself. It did not bring any new equipment into the game; it only brought snowballs (not too fun) and costumes/accessories (I'm fine with how my knight looks).

I do like it when the price of CE is lower, but I wouldn't mind seeing it temporarily shoot up if new content is introduced. The game is wanting in new equipment or modes of play, not just costumes and accessories. As for the CE prices, the seasonal Promos will roll around eventually (Easter, Halloween) and the price will dip during such events.

Tue, 01/22/2013 - 22:28

Iamnoone

Ask for more promotions 0.o

I'm not opposed to paying. I wouldn't want educated professionals to work for me for free. If the good item is at a rate of 1% or .01%, I'm not buying. I'm not stupid. I won't buy 100 or a 1000 promos to get an item. Treat me with some respect there if you want me to buy promos. If I was sure I'd get an item, you'd have a better chance of getting me to spend. You could even skip the items and just give me a sale price on the ce and I might buy it. Yes, I'm a pay to play player and I don't think I ever bought a promo. But please give me a promo. One good enough to buy. I want a good one. Bring those halos back.

Tue, 01/22/2013 - 22:48

Mzculet

I disapprove this so far....

What about the people who want it to rise? Ever heard of a win win situation? If it lowers what will we (people who likes it high) get?
So far only the people who wants it to be lower gets the benefit....

Tue, 01/22/2013 - 22:54

Vesperaldus

/me votes for high energy prices.

Woops, I accidently clicked on this thread. But I still didn't read any of it.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 00:36

Dragneel-Wiki

Before and After

Sigh...

Before :

I used to always say : Why is the price so high ?! Damn you players ! I haaate you all ! I hate all P2P players !!!! Die..........

After seeing the truth :

No. High prices isn't very good for new players, but it makes this company live. Ahem... What is the main profit for OOO in this game ? CE ! Ok, if you make the prices low, people won't ever need buying CE with realy money, they can grind some missions, and BOOM! They got 100 CE. If that happens, OOO won't get money to keep this game open. The game lifespan will be reduced. Game is closed, and we all rant on Spiral Knights, the best MMO ever. So.. If you want more energy, buy it with real money, and show support for the game you love ( I am not talking about lack of updates and stuff, you still love the game even with not enough content. It is about gameplay ) And if you have a work, simply, you can save 9 $ every month and spend it in the game. I don't think 9$ would ruin your life.

And the fact that Ironskullkid pointed out, that you were using "I want" proves that you are asking for your own benefit. What if I don't like Fancy things, and don't want the prices to be low ? Ha ? Tell me ? And if you want prices to be low, and can spend money for fancy things, why don't you spend it even if there is no promotion ?

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 04:06

Aureate

At first I was all

'oh god not this thread again burn it with fire'
And then I saw your name tacked onto it.

Also, I could do with a new pair of wings, I only have some Frosty ones on my Flak Jacket because I messed up so yeah. More Prismatic Valkyrie wanted on this end.
Also also, I wish that OOO would do more Featured Auctions other than just haloes, auras and Volcanic/Divine Wings. I mean, come on... can't we have Flowers in every colour of the rainbow? Or wings in other themes. Or assorted Mohawks. Or a Fancy Long Feather. I'm pretty sure that putting up greater variety of accessories in the AH would be of benefit to Spiral Knights, since it would act as a crown sink and help to lower the price of CE and accessories.

Also also also I think I will keep this url, I foresee myself needing it in future.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 07:28

Iamnoone

Give us feet in some of those

Give us feet in some of those promos.

Same here Aureate. This is going to become a suggestion thread. :P

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 08:33

#10

Heavy-Dragon

I hoped:

That at some point, OOO would realize that many sensible people who are drawn to a F2P game because subscription prices bother them would not shell out well beyond a reasonable subscription fee every month for a cash shop.

I understand the concern behind maintaining the rarity of an item throughout the promotion to reduce the chances of people with these items fireselling them and ultimately reducing the amount of people who will buy energy explicitly for these items... But personally, I would rather a guaranteed kind of item, in different colors. (E.G Dragon, Valk wings.) I only put up with so many boxes before I had enough energy to barter directly for what I wanted anyway.

Ultimately though, there are still people who will spend hundreds on promotional boxes and give OOO valid reason to continue doing what they are. After all, if it works(isnt broken), don't fix it. Also, I haven't been around that long, so I'm not sure about how many times promotions like this have happened, but I am assuming often enough to be a somewhat common source of sighing for energy buyers that "hold off" on buying until the promotions.

..I'm rambling though.

Personally, I don't care about the current energy prices. when I joined, they were like this (in the 7k area ea 100) , and during the promo they sank as expected, so I can't speak on that.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 08:53

#11

Canine-Vladmir

derp.

a dev team can raise or drop the price of CE indirectly.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:28

#12

The-Rawrcake

"What about the people who

"What about the people who want it to rise? Ever heard of a win win situation? If it lowers what will we (people who likes it high) get?"

First of all..... Fancy promo items if you are willing to pay. That is a no brainer and knocks out a lot of people who would want high energy prices from not benefiting.

If you want energy prices to be high? kinda silly in my opinion. You want energy prices to be dirt low if you are rich during a promo, not high. You sell CE when it is high, and buy CE when it is low. Turn all energy into crowns when it is high - if you are rich, sitting at tons of energy not during a promo is not smart - you never know when it is going to strike. When a promo causes a large downfall in energy prices, you buy tons of energy and don't convert back to crowns until the economic equilibrium takes place and it is high again. If you are complaining about low energy prices then you aren't playing the energy market correctly in my opinion.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:43

#13

Iamnoone

People buy ce to convert into crowns so they can buy things like recipes, costumes or guild hall expansions/upkeep fees. They buy and sell it when they want things irregardless of the current market prices. If the prices are low when they want something in particular, they wish the price was as high as possible.

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 18:58

#14

Mzculet

Thanks Iamnoone

Iamnoone is right...I had a friend who bought tons of crystal energy when the Guild hall update came out he was very foolish to turn it into crowns when the crystal energy price's were low. Instead of 900kcr for 10kce he got 600kcr for 10kce. I as well is just waiting for the Crystal energy price to rise so that I can get bunch of crowns. (Vana run you say? Well Im not about to go waste Revives on those after all Im not yet a tier 3 knight. Nor Am I willing to go farm for crowns in Royal jelly palace and roarmulus twins. Lazy? No as I said I would waste more time and crystal energy wasting on Revives)

Wed, 01/23/2013 - 20:07

#15

The-Rawrcake

"People buy ce to convert

"People buy ce to convert into crowns so they can buy things like recipes, costumes or guild hall expansions/upkeep fees."

I strongly believe that if people demand higher prices but refuse to even watch the market (continuing to convert large amounts of energy into crown during a time of cheap energy in order to purchase something), then they do not have any place to define what high energy prices are.

Buying a recipe? No problem, that is only about 1-35k crowns (depending on recipe + boss items etc). The rich typically want the higher energy prices. Having to get a not-the-best deal on a recipe or small purchase is a not-the-biggest problem for the rich (you will profit more buying energy low and selling high). Now when we are talking about buying costumes / guild hall expansions that are very large amounts of crown which you will have to convert CE into in order to buy?

A tip from me is that you shouldn't convert a lot of CE into crowns in order to buy an expensive item while energy is cheap, then proceed to say on the forums that you want higher energy prices and want no more promos because it makes energy cheap temporarily.

If you had a lot of crowns before energy got cheap, then affording that new thingy in the future (after going through a
crowns ----> energy -----> crowns cycle) is even easier due to the promotion itself. Want a good deal? Wait. Want a quick deal? Buy now.

I see why you both would not like promos, because you take the short end of the stick. It is totally understandable, keep in mind that everything I am saying is partially opinionated, because I have a ton of patience unlike most.

If you like high energy prices and buy energy to convert to crowns, promotions do not entirely hurt you. You get a [[good or bad predicament]]. Convert now and get what you want right now: [[Get a worse deal due to the promo]]. Convert crowns to energy now then energy to crowns later and get what you want later: [[Get an even better deal due to the promo]].

As for upkeep fees - yes, they are large, but so are guilds. If one person is paying the entire upkeep fee every week, there are issues.

Thu, 01/24/2013 - 00:26

#16

Iamnoone

You missed the entire point.

People don't want to wait. And many who are yelling they want hirer ce prices are messing with you and causing forum drama. Then they're breaking out the popcorn while they watch the show that follows. Some are just sick and tired of all the postings of "OOO should lower the price of ce" and "why are the prices of ce so high".

I'm also not asking for anything. I'm just trying to communicate the basic mentality of those of us who are playing. It is the principle of instant gratification. All those rich players sitting on tons of crowns, controlling the market and AH, and not caring about playing the game are a select few not the majority. That is a fallacy. Many are children who's parents would never allow them to waste money on a website or who don't trust using credit cards online. They are the most despite to see ce prices lowered because it is almost impossible to buy ce on the market while only being able to grind a maximum of 10 levels per day. I also basically said I don't generally care about those promos. I'm not here to play dress up. I'm here to fight, to gain the skills to fight better, to collect the items I need to fight better and to socialize. I also said, "please give me a promo. One good enough to buy." as posted in #4. Now you'd have to make those promos pretty darn good. Like a 100% certain I'd get the good item or no less than 25% chance. I said I'm not stupid. I have purchased ce in the past to convert into crowns. I have the elevator pass to grind for all the crowns I need and for the mats to craft with. CE, I have purchased them too for the sole propose of crafting. The market prices of ce don't effect me at all. If you want to dig deeper into my pocket, you're going to have to work much harder than making some tutti-fruity costumes I probably won't get. I also am not a rich player. I don't play here to be playing the game of stock market. My goal is not to be sitting on a billion crowns and to be using them to gain more. I, like most other players, buy recipes and items as soon as I reach the crowns needed to buy what I want next. I don't think I even have 5K in crowns right now combined in between my main account and the alts.

"I strongly believe that if people demand higher prices but refuse to even watch the market (continuing to convert large amounts of energy into crown during a time of cheap energy in order to purchase something), then they do not have any place to define what high energy prices are." This almost falls into arrogantsy if you really believe that just because someone is looking for instant gratification and is willing to pay the price for it that they don't know the difference in between six thousand and nine thousand, though I do agree they have no place in making demands to pay a lower price for that gratification.

It might be better for the site's longevity to consider how to get those who can't pay into the game more. Maybe by increasing mist per day slightly. Eventually they will grow up and have spending capabilities of their own or possibly sway their parents over time. Value them. Some of their friends have money to spend or willing parents. There is something called "word of mouth". If you want to increase sales and OOO's profits, direct sales of special items might be the way to go. Gaia has it's once a month thank you items for sale in the way of letters. If the item wasn't bound it could be sold now at the auction by those looking to gain crowns to those few rich players who won't pay cash for the item (a crown sink) and later sales of same item encouraging the ce purchase/transfer to gain a rare item. You might have made more of a profit directly selling those halos and wings than putting them in promos with a ridiculously low rates of chance. Once the rate of chance goes too low, you push away potential sales of the promo'ed item.

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