Vana's mask shoots bullets

Don't forget Roarmorus Twins, lasers, rockets and bullets <<<----- O>O

other than that, the only intelligent enemies to ever use guns are gremlins and mechas

Guns in chinese can typically mean spears and lances, so are you relating to that? :3

Projectiles? Sure, let a gun puppy (notice the word "gun") throw an energy orb at you, apparently without using its limbs. Logic. :3

My answer ----- No. It's gonna hurt me real bad, because of my ping, therefore I cannot dodge well, nor block in time.

Typically I think your description of this gremlin/mecha is really OP, not to mention there is already a gremlin and mecha boss. Undead boss has already been scheduled, fiends have their own bosses. Vanaduke is considered undead/fiendish...

Know how we fire? Without a warning. If bosses do that, we are typically dead, especially the laggier ones who play outside the suitable range of the servers. Oh sure, give them that attack warning, it would be like trojans about to dash you, but you know you can dodge it. That's why when snarby digs and have his spikes go popping up makes it a challenge.

We lag a lot, but we learn to improvise and know our way through. To avoid snarby spikes, we keep our shield up. Do mecha knights dash? You clearly have no knowledge in the game.

Technically Snarby is a "normal" boss, due to it's location in T1, unless you relate to the rabid snarbies.

To sum up your OP descriptions : Dash, explosions and bullets everywhere. Is this bullet hell? Are you expecting us to dodge everything? Is there some special weakness? Snarby's weakness is that bell, roarmorus twins cannot tolerate their own rockets, vanaduke cannot tolerate water. Where's the originality in this? Oh hologram, so tell me how fiends and undeads develop that technology? Basically the new undead boss, if you haven't heard of it, is a huge grimalkin, which would most likely be weak to candle light. That type of challenge is more acceptable than a bullet dodging course.

So on behalf of all the laggers out there, no to this thread.

So if all those projectiles people listed don't satisfy your need for guns, then what qualifies as a bomb? All I can see is Roarmulus missiles and Seerus (which isn't even really a boss). What difference does it matter what the bullets are shot out of? The Roarmulus Twins are giant gunpuppies, and they shoot projectiles.

Mecha knights don't dash. Are you complaining about mecha knight normal attacks? That's a silly thing to do. Do you expect them to not swing at you when you stand next to them? Would you not swing if you were in their position?

#1 A dash is more like what trojans do...
#2 For the snarby, you must wait for the snarby to come near, then strike the bell. Any other intervals between hitting the bell and the snarby will be having our shields up, that's our tactics
#3 Oh you mean that mecha knight charge attack? Well they have adequate warning (1 second). Note we have up to 400ms ping, which is some enough time to block an attack. Also note, we tend to stay away from mecha knights, our tactics again.

Battlepods drop a lot of bombs? That's just a variation, usually a deconstruction zone ones. If you went to Machine shop 13, there are so many other variations, such as pods that shoot bullets, or just give a huge aura buff (look at that SUPPORT!) for constucts, or shoots rockets.

Even bombs have the fuse animation, which is adequate time to get out of the way. If you look at guns, they fire without warning, and bullets are meant to travel fast (if you use sentenza or alchemers as stated in your first post), you are gonna have a lot of trouble. If you have been playing LD much, you would know polaris won't work. So please understand the reason why there are no enemies with guns.

Yes, yes charge attacks... let me just quote something... here...

"he would make a duplicate "hologram" sorta, doing the same moves at the same time in an mirrored he gives hits on the ground with his weapons making directional explosions like seerus hammer hits. running dashing doint like in round 2 exept when he cross his hologram , an explosion blowing 5x5 around him and throwing projectiles like t2 puppy (1 at the direction of the knight and 2 targeting where he could be going) at all knights at the same time , in the meanwhile some minion of the same type assist him here too"
or

"unleashing a tonado of spam fires. shielding right after his shots for a moment then jump dash away again repeating his patern in the meanwhile some minion of the same type assist him"

Even your Round 2 has problems, suggesting the boss dashed around and repeating his process of gunning...

no boss ever has such a devious scheme of attacks... maybe seerus does... but this is slightly worse... that is what is wrong... I have said this...
"If bosses do that, we are typically dead, especially the laggier ones who play outside the suitable range of the servers. Oh sure, give them that attack warning, it would be like trojans about to dash you, but you know you can dodge it. That's why when snarby digs and have his spikes go popping up makes it a challenge."

and...

"It's gonna hurt me real bad, because of my ping, therefore I cannot dodge well, nor block in time."

From your description, it has already shown that "Dash, explosions and bullets everywhere. Is this bullet hell? Are you expecting us to dodge everything?" My idea is not to suggest a gunner boss, because of the way guns work... I also wish to suggest more originality in bosses, because they should be somewhat unique, unlike just giant variations of normal enemies..

Then you go ... Roarmorous twins are giant variations blah blah... what makes them unique is their area of weakness, getting hit by their other twin... we don't want it to be another seerus holding a god damm gun and blasting us away... and we just spam the hell of it...

And oh you are a bomber? Now tell me why you should be complaining about their charge attacks? If you think going into close range is bomb-like, I suggest you rethink your strategies... Bombs move towards the medium-range, far-range for enemies like mecha knights, due to the nature of their AI...

Yes, but this is itself YOUR suggestion, and WE (as a public) should discuss about THIS current idea, not to slap OUR own ideas all over this thread. If we really want to create a new idea, we would jolly well create a new thread and put up our own idea. But currently, on this thread, on this page, on this idea, we will discuss about whatever is confined in that first textbox.

And I have gave my opinion on THIS suggestion. It is pathetically overpowered (why? I have clearly stated my reasons) and it shouldn't be implemented.

So other than trying to help improve your idea or point of view or whatsoever, we will still follow with whatever you have clearly stated in your original post. If you want to make a new suggestion, you should create a new thread. Your original post should be respected at all cost.

Here's your statement : "this was only a suggestion and i know it might contain flaws , my main idea is , what would you see of a gunner boss?"

This was only a suggestion

See? That was a suggestion, and every suggestion shall be debated upon whether it should be implemented or not. And your suggestion was about this boss with 3 phases, which I blatantly disagree with.

i know it might contain flaws

Yes, and I was pointing it out...

what would you see of a gunner boss?

I don't want to see it. The end.

You have just contradicted yourself.

They are giant GUN puppies :P

They DO have a gun/cannon inside their mouths technically. It's not just "projectiles coming from nowhere" like Vana's mask or snabry spikes.

~HEAVY WEAPONS GREMLIN~
"Pah ha ha ha ha! Do continue your lamenting, pampered juvenile!"

Totally not related to the Heavy Weapons Guy of Team Fortress 2 fame. The Heavy Weapons Gremlin is eloquent in English (or whatever it is that the Knights speak) and is somewhat... bulky. He wears a large kevlar jacket with two ammo belts going across it in an X pattern. Russian accent completely optional, though there is no narration in this game.

The Heavy Weapons Gremlin's most obvious weapon is the large Minigun he carries. He can lift this, start spinning it (which displays a warning, and begin spraying a stream of bullets (which acts much like a Roarmulus Laser) that deal heavy Normal damage, backwards knockback, and Stun. He slowly turns while firing, trying to hit the closest Knight, with turn speed increasing as the battle progresses. He shouts in a speech bubble while firing, too... much like the Heavy Weapons Guy, who I remind you again, I am, uh, not mimicking at all.

In the second phase of the battle, the Heavy Weapons Gremlin can opt to fire a different weapon between Minigun attacks. His Iron Slug has a minimal warning, and fires really fast boolits, ah, bullets. And if you get close when he's not firing, POW! He'll whack you with his fists, which are COMPOSED OF AN IRON-CARBON ALLOY! Oh, and his Minigun turns faster.

In the third phase of the battle, a Charge Mender appears. This Mender has a bit more HP and is hard to hit, and maintains a constant healing stream with the Heavy Weapons Gremlin; he can also dispel Venom Veiler and Shivermist Buster clouds, though this stops him from healing for a second. When killed, he respawns in a minute and a half. What's more important, at a certain point, the Charge Mender will make both himself and the Heavy Weapons Gremlin completely immune to damage for about ten seconds.

The Heavy Weapons Gremlin, at this point, can choose to fire Piercing, Elemental, or Shadow bullets out of his gun instead, with an appropriate windup animation for each. And, of course, the Heavy Weapons Gremlin's Minigun turns faster.

The fourth and final phase of the battle brings the Vacci-Mender into the fray. The Vacci-Mender has everything the Charge Mender's got, and also can change the Heavy Weapons Gremlin's resistance; the damage type above both their heads indicates what they both will be IMMUNE to. When they are immune to Elemental, they are weak to Shadow. When they are immune to Shadow, they are weak to Piercing. When they are immune to Piercing, they are weak to Elemental.

When the Vacci-Mender notices either himself or the HWG is taking serious damage, he'll switch to a different type, and he will tend to switch to Piercing if someone charges a Blitz. And his invincibility charge can fire prematurely to lose a bit of "charge" in exchange for removing all status effects on the Heavy Weapons Gremlin. As you may have guessed, the Heavy Weapons Gremlin's Minigun turns faster in this stage, too.

There, one boss with what is undoubtedly a gun- and a really cool one, too. Now we just need to talk Valve into it!

And now to work on Lichens with siege engines.

As Zaffy pointed out, there is no need for a bullet hell.
Also, this Heavy Weapon Gremlin is just a joke. Well, I presume. I don't think OOO will ever steal stuff from Valve. OOO has mostly been pure originality and occasionally suggestions.

Seriously.

This is the whole reason you're making this?

That....

I need to sit down.

.......WHY NOT BOSSES WITH SWORDS AND BOMBS SINCE EXPLOSIVES AND MELEE WEAPONS DON'T COUNT!

What about chainsaws? Big yellow ones. ;3

" contradiction? where, i think your getting mad a little too mutch now"

Do I have to show you everything? Sheesh... and I'm not really mad, just irritated, and I'm here to suggest to you why I don't support this reason, which I already have. Now I'm trying to teach you of your fallacy, and hopefully make you more open-minded and listen to what some of us have spoken...

Let me list you down the contradiction

First post. Last statement : "this was only a suggestion and i know it might contain flaws , my main idea is , what would you see of a gunner boss?"

This post : "didnt sugested this idea and everyone have to deal with it or correct it"

After which, you appeared to have plainly ignored my posts at this point where you said : "why dont you tell me what would be your idea instead of telling whats wrong with mine? that was what i said twice in my op"

Do note I have already told you my opinion in posts before that, right here, and here. Was "No" so hard to accept? Not only that, I find your counter-arguments quite lacking, only to realize you are trying to avoid the topics I has specifically answered. Saying I was mad, or whatsoever. You are currently lucky enough to see that most of the oldies laying around are not responding to you. You are new, but that does not make you gain any incentive to bash your ideas. Some of us need to take a stand here, and you have completely disregard that.

on to Nurse Space's idea, I completely disagree. A new type of mender? Seriously leeching off TF2's medic... And the monster can change his attack type? That's OP, completely. No Bosses ever yet existed has all 3 types of attacks, are you seriously trying to Bonk us to death? I seriously doubt a gun boss to ever appear.

Quakeman... are you the kind of person that looks all cute on stage, but when they get negative criticism, goes home and microwaves a defenseless hamster?

Anyway, as for "a boss with a gun", the only reasonable race than supports such a boss is Gremlin, and they already have a boss (well, two). You might be able to get some sort of terminator thing going by giving a mecha knight a large gun and letting it loose in Haven (imagine that). I wouldn't suggest it, though.

Why? It's not original. Constructs have ranged weaponry. Gremlins have ranged weaponry. Hell, the damn undead have ranged attacks. Your suggestion is not original "enough", in the sense, all you're adding is a physical representation of a projectile firing mechanism (basically, ripping the turret out of the mouth of one of the Twins, and handing it to someone else).

I'd like to see a new boss, sure. Vana is getting boring as hell... but, I don't want a Seerus with a gun instead of a hammer.

I'd assume Spacebar's suggestion wasn't serious; if it was, then no. A tracking minigun would be painful for players to deal with. Especially laggy ones. The R Twins laser was escapable. Stun and knockback would make escaping the stream painfully difficult; and there would need to be some way of blocking it, without using a shield (simply due to the sheer amount of damage that would be output; you shouldn't leave just one tactic to it).

Anyway! On that note, yes to a new boss. No to a bullet hell-like boss.

PS: Come on, is phase 4 Vana not hard enough?

Technically a Drupal forums here makes no space for brainstorming ideas due to the limited communication abilities we have. We are not doing face to face, there is no way to draw up concepts, so you can't be possibly brainstorming. If you want a brainstorming session, I suggest we meet up in real life (which is mostly impossible to complete). Other than that, please put up your sole and best suggestion up on the board and we should so then discuss about the matter of the topic, which we already have.

Unless you create a better platform for brainstorming ideas, I would seriously reconsider trying to put our ideas up here.

ikr

The Heavy Weapons Gremlin was half-serious, half-joking. A boss with a minigun could work. The minigun would have to wind up before firing (which is really an ample enough warning considering it's a boss) and it wouldn't be able to turn while firing at a completely ridiculous speed... you'd be able to survive by running circles around him, or just finding cover behind blocks.

I see nothing wrong with enemies that can deal all types of damage- I rather think it'd be a nice challenge. And a "barrier change" boss like the kind the Vacci-Mender (which, of course, was based on TF2's Vaccinator) would have provided would be pretty cool; you have to wait for your opportunity to attack, and can't just Blitz/DarkRet/DA the guy to death.

If you want an enemy that looks like it has a gun, the Gremlins and Constructs aren't the only option. Be creative! Dust Zombie Pirates that fight with (unrealistically fast) muskets and swords, and maybe their cap'n packs a revolver? Could work, and could contain a lot of references to various movies and games, which is always a plus for Three Rings. Or maybe a Giant Lichen Colony with an enormous cannon on its back? Sure, it's a stretch to call a cannon a gun, and it's a bit ridiculous, but IT'S A GIANT LICHEN COLONY WITH A CANNON.

How on Earth could an Almirian use a gun? They don't have that technology. As far as the story goes, only the Spiral Order and Gremlins have such technology.

Now, I do feel you're really missing the point of why people are reacting negatively. On the one hand, you have lag-based issues (in relation to a bullet hell like idea). On the other, you have missing components. Most of the bosses have ranged attacks, AND close-quarters attacks. If the boss is left with just a gun, they have no close-quarters offensive (that reminds me of gremlins running in terror at the sight of a knight).

The heavily armored boss sounds like R Twins on legs, so it's not very good game design (the falling apart bit is good, but the R Twin similarity kills it).

At the start of your post, you mention "another raged knight". What's the story behind them? Arkus is that way because he was a Guardian that failed to defend his squad, and fell into insanity. You can't just pop a knight down and have him/her go around killing every knight they see (a Spiral Order conspiracy, perhaps? That would be cool).

I'll be nice and give you a suggestion. As you "should" know, there are members of the Crimson Order yet to be accounted for.

One boss level (yes, level. Wait for the good bit) include another member of that order. Now, Spiral Intelligence has detected a strange energy source, similar to that of the artifact found at the beginning of the game (what happened to that? I can't remember). Thus, a spiral knight squad has been ordered to investigate. Upon wandering down that part of the Clockworks, they find it full of heavy construct resistance, and find some "experiments" on other monster families (which you can choose to release or not; some hostile, some helpful).

Upon entering the third depth, you come across Euclid, the leader of the supposed missing Alpha Squad, talking with a sinister looking gremlin (wearing armor resembling the Shadowsun armour). When the Gremlin (you can name him/her whatever you want) notices you, they yell "Who are they?!.. Gr.. I knew it! I never should have trusted the damned Spiral Order". They then vanish. Euclid then turns to you, and says "You fool. You ruined it. You ruined everything!". Within seconds, Euclid, in his enraged state, attacks you. Techniques resemble a standard spiral knight, making use of a Voltedge-like weapon and wearing custom "Alpha" armour. The actual battle details are up to you to expand on.

Upon his defeat, he tells you that upon arriving at the core, they came across the Crimson Order. Both of which were confused by the "core", and formed a secret truce. Yada, yada. "Open and control the core, instead of restore the Skylark" deal. Going onward, you come across the gremlin from before. Looking at you with a sinister smirk, he says "Where's that Euclid? Lemme guess; you killed him off?.. Ha. You knights are bold, I'll give you that.. but you're not leaving here alive". The fight is less "direct" than against Euclid. The Grem uses modified dual Sentenzas (a nice twist on standard gremlin weaponry). His techniques are more recon-like. In that, he disappears, quickly changes position, then attacks from a new spot. If you approach him, he does a "ninja jump" where he disappears, then instantly re-appears elsewhere (prompting ranged attacks). After enough damage, he drops a Nitro-like bomb in the centre of the room every so often (prompting sticking to the walls, or shielding) and is less inclined to "ninja jump", instead, attacks more furiously. Again, after enough damage, he spawns mecha knights to aid him, and dashes instead of ninja jumping. When he feels "safe enough" he charges the Sentenzas and fires the end "bird" twice in short succession (as in, not the same charge attack knights have). Instead of a bomb, he sometimes uses an AoE "shockwave" to push knights away from him. Yada, yada. Done.

Enjoy.

PS: That's two bosses in one! A knight that fights you, and a gunner gremlin! I came up with it in about 10 minutes too... I was bored.