"I'm not sure why you think the token hats are overpowered. They even seem a bit on the weak side. The only reason the Kat Hiss mask can be worth considering over Volcanic or Ma-, I mean Chaos, is the shadow defence. Only the Black Kat hat and Chaos is overpowered."
...You...You take that back...
@ Thimol
No, this game defines communism. I know exactly what I am talking about, otherwise I wouldn't be grinding and playing AH to get the accessories that I want from other players/ I would have already gotten my specific item via $$.
Yeah, I try to restrain using explicit and vulgar language. I've said some posts that I re-edited to avoid the ban hammer.
Another thing:
Let's talk about the Free Market. I have recipes, and I can craft items. Low level tier items are useless to try and sell in the AH, unless I find 3k crs more to be effective for me/ worth the risks thanks to the fees. Three Rings has limited what we can sell on the AH. I can sell massive mats and hustle people at my leisure to make myself wealthier. I can sell recipes to make crowns too. Gear that is not bounded, gear I may find in the Clockworks, I can sell.
I cannot sell from my own business.
I have all of these cool 4 and 5 star recipes to craft gear, but it's impossible to sell crafted gear at that tier/ IT'S BOUNDED.
^ Three Rings doesn't want me to/ they do not want us to do that. Is that not a good example of communism or should I give another example?
This game is now communist because it has an in-game market...? Wut
No, this game defines communism.
If it does, then you define ignorance.
otherwise I wouldn't be grinding and playing AH to get the accessories that I want from other players
An alternative to spending cash with no price fixing or whatever comes with communism.
I would have already gotten my specific item via $$.
If you were able to choose whatever thing you wanted from the box, then everyone will pick the "awesomest" item and then the in-game economy is ruined further. Congratulations, you've done the equivalent of stabbing a child in the arm for two dollars.
I cannot sell from my own business.
I have all of these cool 4 and 5 star recipes to craft gear, but it's impossible to sell crafted gear at that tier/ IT'S BOUNDED.
Yes, that's a good idea. Destroy the progression of the game by giving new players access to the most powerful equipment. Are you for real?
No, this game defines communism.
Pretty sure you're aiming for Capitalism.
As for the Event, I'm fine with it. Maybe it's me, but I like the rarity of it all and find it akin to most rare items when it comes to Dungeon Crawlers; you don't grind for that item and you don't try to do battle with the RNGod... It just drops or it doesn't (or you use the console/cheat). I always liked that about the genre.
Communism is basically everyone's equal, such as, the government controls everything you get
Want a loaf of bread, get 1 from the government store.
Want shoes, get the same ones from the government shoe store.
capalism.
You can be as rich as you want to be, you manage your money and pay for stuff like health care....
SK, you can get stuff from paying online, can trade it with other players, it's outside both systems.
Your problems are with what the community decides to buy and use(aka AH as opposed to trading). Not the way the [redacted] game was designed. The market is entirely free.
@ Thimol
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
This game needs to be reworked. There's a reason why this game hasn't become more popular. Just think of me as the ambassador of the general population for players around the ages of 14 - 25 who have left SK.
Grievos was a good man, I always respected his ideals.
Grievos was a good man, I always respected his ideals.
Everyone ignore this guy.
SK, you can get stuff from paying online, can trade it with other players, it's outside both systems.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production, with the creation of goods and services for profit.
Sure sounds like Spiral Knights to me.
I do not want Capitalism. That would mean that the players would be in control of this game. AH would be great for sellers, ya no lie, but I'm a buyer, so no thanks.
"Grievos was a good man, I always respected his ideals."
Whoop.
That's it.
Everyone, pack it in.
This is a Troll.
No body move.
No body make a sound.
No body even FART.
We're dealing with the Elusive Stupidis Trolldis Communitis, one of the worse there is.
Just stop responding.
Send it to the Graveyard & Start over.
Get to it.
Now.
Hurry, before it comes back.
There's no time.
Just do it.
Thread.
Graveyard.
Fresh Start.
Happiness.
Why are you still reading this.
Just go.
Seriously.
I'm not playing around.
Do you think this is a game?
No.
This is the Forums.
The game is (hopefully) on your Desktop as an Icon for Quick Access.
Press that button.
Then enjoy yourselves.
Do it.
Seerusly, do it.
Like, right now.
And I'm not going to stop.
Because I <3 you.
Actually, it's because I want get my point straight.
And that point is to close this Window/Tab right now & play some Spiral Knights.
Go get them Black Kats.
And maybe if you're lucky, you'll find a book to give to me.
Anyways, I'll be leaving.
Any second now.
...
...
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Sorry, I was just Stalin.
Haha, get it?
Communist Joke.
Ok, bye.
Ironskull is right. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻) with communism
"There's a reason why this game hasn't become more popular."
You want a reason? I have reasons. Two of them, in fact.
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I personally preferred SK to other similar games due to the accessibility of weapons and armour; the time needed to grind up for crafting costs heating lower star versions is a reasonable process. In other games, getting a specific piece of desired gear required grinding and a whole lot of luck. The luck component makes the grinding process unbearable as the repetitiveness of the levels/dungeons/instances wears down on you and there is no scale of progress whereas crafting costs and heating lets you know that your X number of runs has brought you this much closer to your goal.
Reading this thread, you will find that this sentiment is shared by a large segment of unlucky players who put in the same efforts (if not more) of their lucky counterparts but have really nothing to show for it. The missions went from being an exciting hunt to a rat race that is more of a chore than an accomplishment.
I preferred when we got rewards for our efforts, killing shadow lair bosses for awesome gear, not when blind luck arbitrarily gives you a chance at game content.
I can't take it back, only OOO can. Chaos is Mad Bomber but better now. :[
@Klipik
Candlestick takes at most 2 minutes, not 10. Redo your math.
Okay, I am going to log out now. I don't know how this thread got derailed and turned into an economic discussion.
One second I am talking about my dislike of grinding in this game, the next minute, thimol is talking about communism. Then it changed into capitalism, and now someone knows my rl name! I am out of here! Good night and good ridense!
Four leaf clover... you played RO before, haven't you?
But yes, this feeling of farming BK is exactly like farming cards in RO. And I remember I gave up Korean MMO for a reason...
+10 Venemousbiohazard
Why did OOO have to ruin the RSS? Like Venemous mentioned, they even knew that people wouldn't like it, and that's why they gave us the tickets. So what that its effect wasn't like a "bomb" should act like, whatever that means. They took a nifty idea for one of the few interesting bombs in this game, and made it into a sad excuse for what the "ideal" bomb should be. To be honest, the original RSS actually could relate with a bomb's shrapnel and such, but the RSS we have now? I mean, what is that crap? Is that supposed to be a bomb? The idea behind it is dumb and in terms of effectiveness, it's useless. Also, to make the situation even worse, people exploited the ticket exchange for the original RSS by masscrafting them for tons of 3 UV tickets. Is OOO so blind that they wouldn't see that coming until it hit them right in the face?
As for this update, it's ridiculous. OOO brought back the nice idea of Kat gear but in the worst way possible. Of course, a lot of people are going to grind their life away for that useful item, and the thing is, like the OP mentioned, it won't even be worth it. People will grind and grind and at the end, they'll just half that half-assly made gear. Like Venemous mentioned, everything in this Kat update was made with minimal effort, bringing up old graphics and using the same ones, and then slapping on some nice UVs on the gear to get people interested. And to top this all off, all the buffs that they're introducing to this game are making this game easier and easier, which is what the majority of players don't want. Don't even get me started on how OOO couldn't see the after effects of buffing the Chaos set knowing it would overshadow Mad Bomber.
Spiral Knights, a game with an incredible amount of potential, ruined. With every update, this game's future looks more bleak.
@ Tennis
A lot of the older folks, who I would say are a good portion of the paying players, complained of the mob's AI being too difficult. It's either boost their (mobs) health (which i highly dislike), or boost AI performance. I like the retrode nerf, since those guys had way too much health, but their AI performance should be fixed. I loved Graveyards because they were difficult; those phantoms and zombies where a good challenge, but now it's a boring place. CLEAN UP LEVELS! KILL THESE EASY MOBS AND COLLECT THE LOOT, UGH!
Just how some people feels about Treasure Vaults.
A good thing from this is:
I learnt more about a game and the product, as well as the trusts between clients.
Only if you have ele passes and run through without killing anything. I can't afford to do that.
If you respect anything from Star Wars prequels you're obviously the REAL idiot.
Also where in the world is you can avoid capitalism?
I do not want Capitalism. That would mean that the players would be in control of this game. AH would be great for sellers, ya no lie, but I'm a buyer, so no thanks.
Welcome to the United States of America and its economy.
And also Spiral Knights. Players control energy prices, and thus the game, after all.
Hmmm I am not going to support this right away, but if I spent 6 hours without one event kat found (wtf?) then I might in the near future.
Sorry materialist but your post is irrelevant too. Please don't be a hypocrite.
That's my alt.
Well SORRY for ruining your fun, but I was indirectly implying to 'grinding is not fun' as we 1 bar lag zone players not only need to suffer and deal with this tremendous latency in place but also yielding a large chance of getting stupid crippled black screens (reqyest time outs what ever).
Imply logic please.
Grinding based on luck is boring.
This guy is obviously doesn't read my post.
I hate grinding based in luck.
What i say about being hyprocite is about you making an irrelevant post to the topic by replying to my troll post.
Honestly I don't get all wrapped in getting new things NOW!!!!
I play as I go along and if I find a new gear or rare item. Yay for me. If not, oh well no harm done. This event has actually been fun as I have managed to kill a few black kats.
All I'm saying is, Just don't grind nonstop. Just play along as you go and if you get an item you want hooray!. And if you don't, just keep playing the game. Don't wig out if you don't get a rare drop from a enemy is all I'm saying.
The other problem is that krogmo coins can actually be a lot faster than getting Pages. If a Black Kat spawns 1 out of 100 times, and one candlestick keep has ~25 kats, you have might have to run it 4 times to get 3 pages. And you can say that one run of one candlestick keep level takes about 10 minutes. If it's tier 2, then it's 4 times for 1 page. Or, you could be really unlucky and get it after 10 runs. Not even mentioning the books. Now, for Krogmo Coins, you get one coin per game, minimum. If the longest a game can be is 10 minutes (which it usually isnt), then the slowest you could get KC is 3 in 30 minutes, while Pages would be 3 in 40 minutes. Add in bribing, other players bribing, and the fact that PvP doesn't cost CE or have the chance of wiping and wasting CE to keep going, and you get that getting KC is faster than getting Pages. Plus, that whole PvP-is-here-forever-but-the-kats-aren't thing.