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A question of party ethics, concerning this recent event

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Tue, 02/05/2013 - 21:47
Draycos's picture
Draycos

Every now and then there's something that comes up that gets you thinking- is this thing that I'm doing as right/good as I assume? Am I wrong? This is one of them, and I'd like you folks to analyze this and judge what I might have to do differently, if anything. I want to prevent mistakes that I make, not acknowledge they exist and keep making them.

During this Kataclysm event, I've taken a different approach to how I handle my parties; I leave it locked to random players, but open to friends and guildmates, so they can join me on a whim as I call out 'Kat!' via voicechat or a quick /g without having to root myself in place for a couple seconds to manually invite people (which can, situationally, lead to your death which then means a potentially horrible spawn point for your allies [especially when Grimalkins are around]). I've been running through levels as fast as possible, not caring for crowns, since the objective is pages and potentially books.

But, a buddy of mine (no name for you!) joined my open-to-friends/guild party without asking, and was frustrated with my methods of doing things- I was running through the level, skipping enemies and 'wasting' the energy he spent joining me. I told him I was using a combination of Mumble, an open party, and quick typing to replace manual invites for the sake of convenience/speed, but he thought it was laziness.

I argued that it's common courtesy to ask before joining anyone, even when their party is open, but they thought that an open party means anyone can join at any time without any prompting involved. It was less about the ~600cr loss from joining me and more about saying what I was doing was wrong, at this point. My ways of doing things were completely new to him, as were his to me; he was the first person in my friends list and guild who randomly joined me in months, and I was the first person he'd seen to have a party open without looking for uncoordinated joining.

So, to tl;dr it a bit- I keep my party open for speed and convenience while locking it to random players, expecting some sort of prompt from people that want to join unless I've already called out a Black Kat. Someone joined me at random while I was skipping everything in the level, only looking for BKs, and told me what I was doing is completely wrong, despite being the first person to do this in this event and in months past. He believes that having an open party means you don't have to ask to join.

I understand this is a one-time misunderstanding, but he argued that it was a bad idea in entirety.

Thoughts, suggestions, space manatees?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 23:19
#1
Xairathan's picture
Xairathan
Durrrrr

Well let's put it this way. You don't HAVE to open your party to anyone. You can be a complete jerkface and not let anyone into your party especially since it risks the odds of you getting the Book of Dark Rituals. Furthermore, if it is YOUR kindness that is allowing said annoying person to get pages without any hard work, they have absolutely no right to complain about how you are obtaining said pages. Personally I'd just unfriend him or ignore him, as he or she apparently does not understand the concept of 'Time = Black Kats = Pages"

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 23:21
#2
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

Its not your fault. you have open your party for your guildies/friends when you find a kat. you even tell them KAT when you found one (like i do) my friends and guildies dont join until i just said: KAT. so its more his fault than your fault. he wanted to join you without ask first. So pretty much his problem. :) so dont worry nothing wrong with your method to find kats. when you are doing all the hard works as Xaira says, they dont have the right to complain or yell at you if youre doing all the hard work for them.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 00:27
#3
Fauxcast's picture
Fauxcast
it's like having a Mist Well without a door

well, it really depends who you are. there's a serious divide between those with elevator passes and those without. for the most part, the people with elevator passes can just keep running as fast as they can to spawn Kats as quickly as possible. people without elevator passes try to at least soak up all the materials and CR they can to compensate for the per-floor cost of joining parties willy-nilly to get the pages. so fundamentally, it would be that player's fault for jumping in and expecting to get more bang for his buck. it's not your fault it wasn't structured to his benefit.

i'm not sure how to feel about joining unlocked parties though. because i've been caught up in my own, i haven't had time to think about what people in haven or elsewhere are doing. my philosophy is that you shouldn't invite yourself to an instance without having invited that person to an instance yourself. i'm sure there are a lot of people out there taking advantage of good-will and crashing parties uninvited for the sake of cashing in on some pages.

ultimately, your party is open so people are subject to drop in on you. it's up to you to let them know that you don't like being dropped in on so abruptly. i'm under the impression that a party is locked if you don't want people dropping in on you. having an open party but not wanting people to jump in is counter-intuitive. if it becomes too much to bear, you can always remove them from your party and invite those that you originally intended the spot to be for. i've had a few people catch me by surprise and drop in on my party (i leave my party open for ease of access among friends/guild) and was fine with it, but i suppose i would have a problem if a friend continued to drop in on my parties before i sent the word out to those whom i may be indebted.

i'm of the opinion that you could make more of an effort to send invites. friends won't have to guess whether or not you've found one, and you get who you want in the party. also, it's a lot easier on the receiving end to have a window that pops up for you to click on. during this event period, most invites only mean one thing anyway. you may die from time to time punching out invites, but in most cases, it's relatively easy to back away from the encounter and find a safe area to line up your party. and if you do die? well... you're not just going to let those pages go to waste now, are you?

briefly:
it's your party, go as fast you want
don't make them ask you, send invites

P.S.
you could temporarily put select guild members in your friend list and close your party to the guild. the guild will see the prompt in the chat when you shout at /g but only those on your friend list will be able to join.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:40
#4
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
I generally keep my parties to guild only

For that exact reason. That said if a friend joins and complains, they get removed. Draycos knows that guildmates wont cause this issue, as we dont tolerate random joinings in guild.

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