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Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:11
Wodanct's picture
Wodanct

Just my 2 cents.

Was the buff too much? Possibly. I only have the Chaos Cowl atm. (Mind you I can get nearly max sword/gun stats without this item anyway) The +2 ctr and +2 dmg to every weapon you have per piece gives a person free max ctr (+6) on everything that is lv 10 for using the whole Chaos Set while giving Very High (+4) Damage Attack Boost to every weapon you have. So in return your weapons only need an ASI UV allowing a person to easy max everything with the addition of trinkets and gear UVs.. well nearly max everything. I think you could make 2 damage types. Example being swords and guns but still only have VH dmg in bombs.

Anyway drawbacks I've noticed from just using one piece of Chaos Set. Status conditions. That negative status result causes a lot more trouble than I would of thought. I guess people will be aiming for max status resistance UVs when using these. I typically run with only 3 weapons since that is enough for an effective build anywhere in this game. Using one piece of Chaos Set I've noticed that all 3 of my weapons get cursed and all vial slots get cursed. Probably a problem for a person playing UFSC.

I didn't bother to type everything. Though the Chaos Set did need a buff. Maybe the buff was too much. imo I would still like to see MSI med included on it just for the lulz. :p I said for the lulz before anyone has a tantrum over that last line.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:23
#1
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

The main issue is that with things like fire and shock, it isn't hard to get OHKO'd by most attacks. Stun, poison and everything else aren't as bad, but still aren't going to be good for you. Freeze is a sore spot, but still isn't as bad as fire and shock due to the way that wears off on the 2nd hit if you're shield is decent.

If you use any other item to cover up chaos's weaknesses, then you'll be well off.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:26
#2
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
merp.

If level difficulty increased then the Chaos Set would be a glass cannon.

I believe T3 will be getting a serious buff in near future. (Universal Damage Bonus on Choas, these Kat Hats bonus, even the future battle Spirites. all preparing us for something)

So at this moment in space and time, Chaos is kinda OP.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:33
#3
Wodanct's picture
Wodanct

Yep. I've noticed how awful shock is with just using Chaos Cowl and Snarby suit while kat hunting candlesticks. I've also sadly learned how curse makes it so I can't do anything at all instead of just cursing 2 weapons and 3 vial slots. I've only did FSC once so far on my little time back but noticed with just one piece (and fire high on Snarby Suit) that I get 6 second befores pre Vanaduke. Haven't noticed stun/poison yet since most enemies that inflict that aren't too terribly hard to fight. Also haven't noticed freeze yet. I wouldn't be surprised if using the full Chaos Set without any status resistance UVs would yeild a 20+ shock timer.. 12+ seconds of fire, don't want to think about curse because that is already about 50 seconds of doing nothing with 1 chaos piece. Freeze isn't so bad if you just shield and take a hit during your shielding period to break free... unless its a freeze trap then you are just dead.

I'm typically only back until I get 2 black kat books.. I might just stay semi active and spend my mist. This game doesn't have the content for me to play active anymore.

Off to work. Can't fix my spelling mistakes. I have a problem with not typing the word I am actually thinking.. example pierce instead of piece.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:46
#4
Quakeman's picture
Quakeman
what "my 2 cents" mean?

what "my 2 cents" mean?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:50
#5
Nexassassin's picture
Nexassassin
@Quake

Here you go.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 12:37
#6
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
@Wodanct: Full chaos without

@Wodanct: Full chaos without status resist = 14 second shock and 10 second fire where the convulsing on shock is about 1-2(?) seconds and fire damage is 2.75 bars more frequently. Simply speaking, a fire grate will shave off 50% or more of your health, while getting shocked to begin with will likely get you swarmed and swiftly murdered without a remedy.

Basically, if someone in your (@everyone) party is running full chaos, let them have the remedies first. They truly will need them unless they're great at avoiding being hit, which is easy in our current T3. Either they're going to release harder content or they're going to ramp up Tier 3 difficulty because of battle sprites and glass cannon items (in my opinion), and I'm banking on the latter of them. I'm pretty sure it's easier to increase the difficulty of enemies than to create a whole new difficulty class for them.

Also, I think Mad Bomber might get a buff or change to respond to the Chaos buff. Heck, I think that Bomb Damage High / Bomb CTR Medium would be a good buff while changing something about the defense of it.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 13:19
#7
Quakeman's picture
Quakeman
still dont get it

still dont get it

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 08:16
#8
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

@Quakeman Basically 2 cents mean their Opinion, their view point, etc.

Chaos set right now its OP but those weakness its really a danger if you dont know how to dodge, when i do Candle Stick specially Shock and Ice ones on this Kat hunt i really have to rely on my dodge because i bring the SSB shield, and anyway if i bring other kind of shield i cant use it so long because will break. the problem comes if i get just Hit by 1 single bullet that can give me an ailment status. and without Curse, Shock, Fire resists that its a pain.

Shock? a Sure death if youre surrounded by enemies, you will love those 11 segs of shock.
Fire? you cant shield fire to reduce some damage
Curse? oh boy this my favorite one, you get cursed without curse resist: 60 segs being unable to use any of the 4 weps, and Any of the 4 vial/pill slots (Including remedies). its rare the time when i dont get cursed 1 weapon and 1 vial/pill slot.
Freeze? well not so dangerous like others but if you happen to be hit by ice lumber or the enemy keep you frozen you will die for sure.

Poison: meh remedy and you are alright as usual.

i made the set chaos before the update because i wanted to change my set (since im swordman i use the wolver 5 stars line) and looking for one with UV fire high (as the less wanted and Max for the most wanted) and even with Med fire resist i still lose a considerable 3 bars of life if i get burn (with 6 segs) i guess someone with Max fire on both piece will lose less life but w/e.

The set indeed its OP, but requires a lot of skill in dodging to make it worth, there bunch of people who crafted it due the update and they die quickly complaining about "this set sucks you die quickly" (same with someone who said that about the black kat cowl). and requries lot of dodging if you going to use it with SSB shield. i would like to see to more sets buffed so i can try and have different armors to have fun while they add real content...

if OOO will make Tier 3 harder i will be happy because Chaos Set would be a truthful Glass cannon and i hope you guys are right, Chaos Buff, Battle sprites just in hope to make tier 3 a real changelle.

and what i mean its OP but only if you know how to dodge because without skill even the most powerful set and weapon its useless. (xD but still op hehe).

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 14:36
#9
Quakeman's picture
Quakeman
@Sweet-Hope i agree the chaos

@Sweet-Hope i agree the chaos set is op but the fast that every single time you pass by a ash you spontaneously combust or every time you get a static shock from a door knob giving you shock status make is balanced.

problem is that mad demo have the exact same start but have only bombs bonus while chaos have all weapons

id say make the chaos set even weaker and keep the start bonus or raise the made demo to high or lower the chaos bonus and raise its defence

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:15
#10
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
Quakeman: I don't think

Quakeman: I don't think you're speaking in English.

Educate yourself in this area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:15
#11
Qwez's picture
Qwez
q.q

@Sweet-Hope: I want a Black Kat Cowl...
I run through Candlesticks with full Mercurial 'n Swifty. I do die a couple times, but I have learned to bump Grimalkins, dodge through Grimalkins with my hammer, and some other stuff. It's just how much time and patience one has to learn how to play by the rules and to question them.

I thought that these things were OP when they came out/got buffed. I suppose that just goes to show I don't have a wide view ._.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 08:23
#12
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
@Qwez Exactly :) to get good

@Qwez
Exactly :) to get good at something you need patience and practice. when i read the chaos set would be buffed i was so happy but i really dont expected such buff. Anyway the guy who said the Black Kat cowl its someone who thinks "its pro" and all but he rely a lot on trinkets of resist and defense and he like a lot to show off, he got his Black Kat cowl because one of his guild (and his guildie was with me when we dropped such book before the patch) give to him the Book in hope to make him happy but instead he said: "it sucks because has a lot of weakness and make me die"

Anyway, people in my haven never dare to use a calibur, cutter, troika etc. lines that dont have special damage or range attacks because they believe "it sucks". while i like to use every kind of weapon (now im looking for a triglav but im bit lazy to do PVP, hate LD cuz the attitude of the people there and BN nobody play it anymore).

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:22
#13
Leeroyj's picture
Leeroyj
Suggestions ?

was intending to get a Chaos set with the recent buff, but realize from the comments here, that if u r an average (or slightly better than average) player, it sounds like the status weakness would kill u off, despite it being OP - unless u have really decent UV. been reading around and talking to ppl, and some have suggested a dual UV med of fire / shock - for each hood / cloak.

currently, i have a magic set that is fully heated (4*) and was intending to make a GFC (aesthetic reasons - great that it also comes with fire / shock protection), when the buff to Chaos Set happen. so am now feeling a little undecided about which way to go. i have piercing med UV for both my hood and cloak for the 4* magic set. what would u ppl suggest ?

PS - i had no idea the status effect was such a killer - it makes me wonder who actually got the Chaos Set in the old days (when it was not as buffed). or maybe ppl underestimated the effect of the status weaknesses back then ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:58
#14
Poetry's picture
Poetry
"PS - i had no idea the

"PS - i had no idea the status effect was such a killer - it makes me wonder who actually got the Chaos Set in the old days (when it was not as buffed). or maybe ppl underestimated the effect of the status weaknesses back then ?"
---Leeroyj

I didn't either. I got my Chaos Set a few weeks before it was improved and while heating it, i was able to do several, almost flawless solo runs where i avoided getting hit during FSC and GiM. So i really had no idea what happened when you took a painful hit.

Well, when i finally did find out, i was absolutely astounded by how weak it was, to fire and shock in particular.

The first time i got hit with a stray fire beam from a robot's laser, i lost half my health, despite having 2 health trinkets, a 12 health pod and full health. If i hadn't had the health trinkets, i would have burned to death in one hit (no remedy pills in sight).

I rarely ever die while playing this game (with the exception of C42), so as bad as the status effects are, advanced players can deal with them.

But even with the improvements, i wouldn't recommend this armor to anyone, unless they were capable of playing through missions without taking much, if any, damage.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:13
#15
Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

Full chaos makes you a glass cannon. But the negative effects on one piece aren't so serious plus you can balance it out with other armors. It's not like you'll find all the statuses on a single level.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:34
#16
Leeroyj's picture
Leeroyj
Thanks to feedback from

Thanks to feedback from Poetry and Little-Juances - it really does seem that the average player should not consider the Chaos Set. I find it somewhat amusing that the players that can use Chaos (ie the more advance players) probably dont need the buff either, since they would be sailing thru the game anyway.

given all these comments, it does show that maybe OOO should consider the Chaos set as it is (ie and not nerf it like what the majority of knights seem to be suggesting). OP as it is, it sounds like the status effect can kill u pretty quick - Glass Canon it is. even though i have a 4* magic set, with piercing UV for both hood and cloak, im now less incline to turn it into a Chao Set...

If OOO decides to nerf it, can they just announce it ? think a lot of ppl will be upset if they say nothing, and then nerf it in a few weeks. :(

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:28
#17
Etharaes's picture
Etharaes
Why it should be nerfed

Mad bomber has the same pitiful normal and elemental defence, along with the same weakness to status. Mad bomber gives those boosts for 1 weapon type, but chaos gives the same boosts for 3 weapon types.

The chaos set is my only set of 5 star armor I own, yet I think it deserves a nerf too.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 17:02
#18
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I do enjoy it when everyone agrees with me ♫

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