Spiral Knights - List of Good, Average and Bad Weapons:

List of Good, Average and Bad Weapons:

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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:40

Fenix-Stryk

Subject to change and open to discussion, obviously, but these are my personal observations:

Good:
Calibur*
Brandish
Flourish
Sealed Sword
Fang of Vog
-
Elemental Alchemers*
-
Vaporizers

Average:
Cutter*
-
Blaster
*Shadowtech Alchemer
Antigua
Autogun
Magnus
-
Blast Bombs

Bad:
*Cold Iron Vanquisher
*Wild Hunting Blade
Spur
Troika
-
*Prismatech Alchemer
-
Miscellaneous Non-5* Series Weapons

Please tell me if I missed anything or if anything is "blatantly incorrect".
I'd just like to make sure everyone is on the same page in terms of weapon balance.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:45

OnmyojiOmn

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Average: Calibur Brandish Flo

Average:

Calibur
Brandish
Flourish
Sealed Sword
Fang of Vog
Elemental Alchemers
Vaporizers
Cutter
Blaster
Shadowtech Alchemer
Antigua
Autogun
Magnus
Blast Bombs
Cold Iron Vanquisher
Wild Hunting Blade
Spur
Troika
Prismatech Alchemer
Miscellaneous Non-5* Series Weapons

Fixed.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:46

Dogrock

Troika Line is bad...? A

Troika Line is bad...? A properly used Khorovod can one-hit Gun puppies in Tier 3 with surprising reliability. A skilled player should be able to keep monsters at bay with it's massive knockback.

Odd that the Sealed Sword line and Troika line are at opposite ends when they follow the same basic attack patterns. The Troika line simply doesn't have a damage strength or weakness.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:59

Green-Lantern

Dogrock, how is that

Dogrock, how is that possible? (Khorovod one-hit gun puppies)
I've used the charge attack on them and it definitely didn't one-hit them, although mine is only leveled to 5 heat with no UV to construct.

Anyway, from my experience these are the best weapons:

Leviathan - best overall weap in the game, imo.

Shivermist Buster - game changing, no other weap has such a dominant effect in combat

Hail Driver - saw a friend use this a couple times and it was amazing, great damage + great CC from long range

Blitz Needle - great in Citadel, does massive damage (esp to Trojans) and has nice range for an autogun

Radiant Sun Shards - incredible in Citadel arenas versus a horde of zombies, must be leveled to 10 heat

The last two being very underrated.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:58

Kentngo

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On the Wild Hunting Blade

I noticed that this sword "Wild Hunting Blade," while being an evolved form of the Cutter, is on a lower tier than the 2* sword itself.

It deserves to be on the higher end of the Cutter line, although the Dread Venom Striker path overshadows it greatly. It doesn't make sense to me that the Wild Hunting Blade is lower than the Cutter/Striker path.

If you were to list out that the Venom Striker is average and the Wild Hunting Blade is poor, that would make more sense. Also, I believe that having the Final form of the weapon is more helpful for sorting, as there are many weapons that have split paths to upgrade.

In my opinion, it would be best to have many tiers, instead of just Good, Average and Bad. A rating system between 1 and 10 would help when comparing many different weapons.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:02

Arterra

the wild hunting blade just

the wild hunting blade just is too specific a weapon to be used often and correctly, so not as useful...

also, what about nitrome and big angry bomb? at the very least average, if not good crowd control for cornering stuff.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:05

Kentngo

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I'm afraid you missed the

I'm afraid you missed the point of my post. I'm sure we can both agree that the Wild Hunting Blade is terribad, but I'm asking for the sorting system to be changed. Please read over my post again.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:06

Green-Lantern

Forgot about Nitronome.

Forgot about Nitronome. Spamming that with good CTR is devastating.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:12

Awesomest

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What OnmyojiOmn said.

There is no bad weapon in this game.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:19

Kentngo

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Also, Prismatech Alchemer is

Also, Prismatech Alchemer is the same as Shadowtech Alchemer in all respects, except that its damage is Elemental instead of Shadow. The Prismatech Alchemer's only sin is that it does not have any status effects, rendering it less useful than the other Elemental Alchemer counterparts, but still on the same level as the Shadowtech Alchemer.

So, it's not that it's bad, rather that the other choices are better.

And, to Awesomest, I believe this chart is not a posting on how good a weapon is, but rather their usefulness in comparison to other weapons. See my Prismatech Alchemer example above.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:24

#10

Pupu

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Please tell me if I missed anything
The reference point and sorting criteria?
Looks more like a popularity chart that anything else.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:25

#11

mrkupo

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that's a fine list of

that's a fine list of opinions you have there.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:39

#12

Aliencereal

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Seems flawed

Seems like a flawed list to me. We should actually work this out. There's a lot of weapons out there.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:39

#13

Dogrock

Khorovod Lvl10 with no damage

Khorovod Lvl10 with no damage bonuses. Simply angle yourself so that the rocksmash and the blade hit strike all together. On a good day you can hit them with the blade and 3 rocks, usually 2 rocks are enough. When Soloing this is very easy to pull off. The combined damage can take down many enemies in one large attack. This is a great technique to use against Red Rovers and Rocket Puppies, you can sneak up and kill them before they are aware.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:46

#14

Green-Lantern

Thanks for the info. I ran

Thanks for the info. I ran Citadel with Khorovod earlier and kept thinking..."Only if this thing's charge attack could take out gun puppies quickly like the Levi". I'm gonna try to get a CTR UV one...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:53

#15

Fenix-Stryk

>"I believe this chart is

>"I believe this chart is [listing a weapon's] usefulness in comparison to other weapons."
>"So, it's not that it's bad, rather that the other choices are better."

This is correct. Ergo, when you only have two choices and one is outright better than the other, the weaker one becomes "bad" by default. This is the thought process that places CIV, Wild Hunting Blade and Prismatech in the "Bad" category, despite otherwise being average; there's no point in recommending them when they are outclassed by equivalent weaponry.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:25

#16

Negimasonic

Good: All weapons in the

Good:
All weapons in the right hands

Average:
All weapons in my hands

Bad:
All weapons in the wrong hands

:D :D :D

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:38

#17

Raspberry

Child's Play

In any given situation, the person with the most choices and the skill to match, will out perform the person of equal skill but limited choices. Therefore, if you choose overall performance of this versus that, you end up shooting yourself in the foot when you do come up against a challenge that your current set-up cannot adequately handle.

The different mob types and terrain challenges versus one's armor and arsenal is nothing more than a glorified version of Junkenpo (rock-paper-scissors). If you generalized on a rock based strategy because rock happens to be more popular, paper will always trump rock no matter how unpopular and weak group mentality lead you to think. The real skill in a game of Junkenpo is observing the behavior and trends of your opponents and choosing the right counters.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:43

#18

Fallout

i think this thread is out of

i think this thread is out of line...
everything is a matter of opinion.
and im pretty sure spur is awesome.... it just never reached 5 star.
also blast bombs are better then vaps if you want my input.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:05

#19

Zerrif

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I kinda lol'd when Troika was

I kinda lol'd when Troika was in bad tier, and suddenly knew this thread was a troll thread, intent on making us laug--

Wait what do you mean this is serious?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:14

#20

viper901

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opinions opinions opinions.

opinions opinions opinions. This game is easy cakes, play with the sword you want to play with. They all work better than your fists.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:42

#21

Kaybol

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Well now we know what

Well now we know what FenixStryk has in their arsenal. :) Feel free to completely disagree with them, there are hardly any best/worst weapons, despite what a lot of people are trying to advertise on this forum.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:02

#22

Fenix-Stryk

@Kaybol

You're welcome to make arguments for the weapons I didn't list or just used blanket statements for (that's the point), but there is NO case for the CIV, WHB and Prisma. They are completely outclassed by the Levi, DV Striker and non-Prisma Elemental Alchemers.

Part of why I made this is to raise awareness for balance issues. CIV, WHB and Prisma just so happen to be excellent poster children for the "How to Make Inferior Weapons: The Game" campaign.

P.S. My favorite weapon is the Blaster.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 00:10

#23

ajericho

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Are you taking "general case"

Are you taking "general case" here, or are weapons that are specialized for certain types of levels or enemies allowed? (Or will they all just be filed into "bad", as you just did for the Wild Hunting Blade?)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 02:25

#24

Kaybol

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I dunno, you classed Antigua

I dunno, you classed Antigua lower than all of the elemental Alchemers. Antigua might not have the utility of status effects, but it is much faster and has far better range than the Alchemers. I find it easier to keep my mobility using the Antigua and easier to snipe healers between mobs. Wouldn't trade it for an Alchemer right now. But that's also because my choice of gun depends on my other gear.

My favourite sword is the Dread Venom Striker. You hurt my feelings by putting that into Average :P just kidding. I've found that many swords down the Brandish line don't land all 3 of their hits because of knockback (if you start attacking from the maximum range at which you can hit a monster). This has annoyed me to no end and driven me away from 3-hit swords. And 2-hit swords are just too tedious for my taste.

I dunno, I just see too many people with Vog gear and Levis. Makes me turn away and do my own thing. I don't know what you find weak about Cutters and Spurs or the Magnus. Or why you think Autogun deserves anything more than Weak. Or why the Fang of Vog is so great :S

What I mean is, your list could use arguments or links to arguments. And then it still remains a post with your (and possibly other people's) opinion in it.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:19

#25

Merethif

I'm surprised you didn't put

I'm surprised you didn't put a Zapper or Super Stun Gun on Good Weapons list. These are great weapons for rookies on T1. Unless of course it's a list for T3 players only (you didn't put any criteria so I don't know if it is).

Magnus is much better then Alchemer against wolvers on every tier, especially T3.

Blaster is much better then Alchemer because it doesn't ricochets and doesn't destroy blocks you're hiding behind or doesn't open gates you're hiding behind.

But to tell the truth I really believe all weapons are good - it's all depends on many factors - statrum's theme, tier, armour and helm character is wearing, player's preference and game style ect. As Pupu put it - the list seems to be popularity chart rather then anything else.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 03:21

#26

siopao

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autogun is in a class of its

autogun is in a class of its own and cant really be classified under "bad" in the comparative categorization system used.

i have to disagree with the troika line being bad, just for the fact that the reach, attack pattern and knockback on all heavy swords is way too good to NOT merit it at least average despite not having a 5* version.

id say, magnus is good (knockback and instahit bullets with a decent range is the makings of a great gun) but ill have to concede that the average ranking is necessary due to how narrow piercing damage is on a gun (its GUN PUPPIES you wanna shoot the most, not wolvers >_>).

i think the fact that calibur, the sword that is SUPPOSED to be AVERAGE (average speed, average combo length, average knocback, average damage) being classified as GOOD shows some of the imbalances inherent in the game.

and i dont see the logic behind CIV being "bad", when it has similar stats to the "good" levi. it should be average for the mere fact of being calibur class :P

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 07:27

#27

Eeyuppy

Cutter

Please correct me if I'am wrong but I have to disagree that the cutter line is just adverage. If used right it can be just as effective as the calibur line of swords. Its really good at letting you handle any number on enemies. There were times in the danger room where I could just jump into a mob and anihilate because I could shield/doge while still getting in a massive number of swings on the enemy. Even the underated charge is preety good. It can knock back anything and my cutter deals out more damage than my tempered caliburs charge. My cutter does around 30-20 damage a strike. It has 10 strikes. My tempered calibur still does around 100 damage in the charge but its still no where near the level of the cutter. Sure it has its flaws but if used right it can be just as useful as the calibur line.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 09:11

#28

Eegay

I agree with the idea of

I agree with the idea of using a 1-10 rating on each weapon rather than limiting it to 3. And just compare the highest level of each weapon, comparing the 1* to its 5* descendant is pointless. Dread Venom Striker'd be an 8 or 9 in rating considering its awesome speed.

edit: BTW, it is really going to be hard to classify, you have to be VERY specific. Like, you have to use the 1-10 rating for each tier level because for example, maybe a calibur is a good sword to start with considering it easy to get, but as you go to a higher tier, you might want to change into the sealed sword line. No point in making a list like this, let players handle their own sets to play and experiment with.

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