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Joey's FireStorm Cidatel Expedition Service(s) - Get your Fang of Vog TODAY!

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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:33
sasano19
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Welcome to our humble Expedition Center, As you might have guessed Joey & Company are here to provide you with Escort services through the Cidatel and more importantly Vanaduke.We understand the frustrations that come with finding a capable party to do your runs with and the difficulty of tackling it solo, Why gamble your precious time and money with a random party when you can easily guarantee your Almirian Seals for a reasonable price?

If you're interested in any of the services below please leave a post here with your IGN and the service you're interested in or Message/Mail me at JoeyJones

Here at Joey's Expeditions we offer two main services :

Complete Citadel Tour - 1200ce

For the Price listed, our men will run down to the Cidatel's 27th floor for you and invite you once they're ready to fight Vanaduke upon your arrival, they will accompany you to the boss fight where they will defeat Vanaduke.You may invite upto 1 extra person with you for an additional 400 ce fee.

Tour of Vanaduke's Private Chamber - 600ce

If you're down on the 27th floor(at the beginning or end) for the price listed, our men will finish the floor with you and advance to Vanaduke and defeat him for you.You may invite upto 1 extra person with you for an additional 200ce fee.

Note : You will not be required to wear any special equipment,nor will you be expected to do much, however for the most efficient experience as possible we ask you that you co-operate with our agents. Feel free to contact us about any questions or requests about the details of the services.Prices & details are subject to change.

Apart from this we will also offer long term contracts for 2nd timers at a discount price as well as being able to invite upto 2 players in your party as well as other services, details for this will be given in a future date.

As always we ask for your support and we look forward to doing Business with you soon - JoeyJones

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:33
#1
sasano19
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Saving Spot.

Saving Spot.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 22:05
#2
RapBreon
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Choo Choo here comes the carry train!

I wondered how long this would take.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:01
#3
Zerrif
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Difficulty of tackling it

Difficulty of tackling it solo

Is it horrible that I laughed at this? Nice idea for a business but really-- if that person can't farm their own Fang, they probably don't deserve it. Ah well, money talks~

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:27
#4
sasano19
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I don't know where do you get

I don't know where do you get the idea that you can say who deserves and who doesn't deserve something, In all honesty I would've preferred you criticized my services at least I can use that as feedback rather than you blatantly stroking your ego in my thread

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:46
#5
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Splinter
This is a really interesting

This is a really interesting idea I commend this and would love to see it work out.

But is it a bit overpriced? I dunno. 2k per full run and 800CE for just Vanaduke. you get 3 to 5 per (like Jelly King right?) So at best you are doing 10 runs which would be 8k CE (which is not too bad actually) or very worst 17 runs you are paying close to 14k CE and close to 35k CE (IS THAT RIGHT?) If you did the whole citadel each time.

Not to mention the CE you pay for all the elevators.

Man thats a lot of $ or Farming or something to be able to afford that Fang.

I guess you have the addition of gaining some money from the runs as well as high end items. Plus the experience. And at least you and your 1 friend could split the costs.

Have you tested out Vanaduke with 4 players and only 2 participating?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:21
#6
sasano19
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@Paska

First of all, I'd like to say thanks for your post I love the feedback.

As you can see, pricing/making a profit out of Boss Runs and stuff is a little more difficult than pricing an item, otherwise this thread would've been up weeks a go.My main problem lays as you suggested on pricing, I need a number that is both "fair for the costumer" and profitable to our players.After some consideration we discovered that 2 players is the optimum number, why?

For us it means, significantly Weaker Vanaduke and a better payout for our participants, overall more efficient.

For the costumer it means, they can bring along a friend, I think I didn't touch or emphasized on this enough but say you both go 50/50 on the cost of the run(s) suddenly the prices arn't that expensive anymore if you co-operate with somebody else.

Back to what I was saying of Service VS Profit is that because the profits need to be divided up between our players but still within a "affordable" reach for the costumer creates a problem especially because like you mentioned before there won't be a lot of players that will just do 1 or 2 runs but would like to invest in it multiple times this again makes it hard to set up a price where we would benefit from providing service repeatedly vs people being able to afford it, It might be different if we needed the Tokens ourselves but we don't as some of you can already tell.With the full runs it gets even trickier it needs to be more than the first option of course and on top of that you need to have it where you don't get bombarded by request and having to complete a million runs for minimal profit I do admit that not everybody can afford this and its more of a placeholder than anything else.

Like I stated at the end of the post the price may/will change I just need to figure out a good number(especially for the full runs), for now though I feel the best option is splitting the cost with a friend.But again I appreciate the feedback & support.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:40
#7
Astrophysicist
Hmm.. I've been selling

Hmm.. I've been selling Almirian Seals for 100 CE each...

Mind if I take your business idea but with much lower prices ? ;)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:55
#8
DeeCee85
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I like the idea, but to

I like the idea, but to comment on what Paska was saying regarding this bit "2k per full run and 800CE for just Vanaduke". The way I read the OP was just vanaduke either way. For 800CE you get to floor 27 on your own and invite them. For 2k they go to floor 27 and invite you. Either way the fee is for just downing Vanaduke basically. I personally haven't killed him yet and can say its a fairly difficult fight mainly because I don't want to upgrade my 4* armor yet. But that's an incredible sum to pay for 3-5 seals.

The idea itself though.. is great. Nothing wrong with helping people for a price if they want to pay. If your group gets to a point they can do FSC with little to no revives.. then you could still easily profit from a considerably lower price - it's not like the people doing the floating aren't benefiting from material drops, crowns, heat, and seals for themselves while on the venture. Hope this helps.

ign: Deecee

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:38
#9
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Pawn
lol

I find it funny that on one they charge you a LOT extra for them getting you (themselves) all the way down to vanaduke, and the 2nd offer they give you a discount for the exact same thing they charge extra for (you getting them to vanaduke). :D

Now, i find that funny as in humorous, but not a bad deal either way. In both situations they are providing a service that you go into with full disclosure of what you are getting. Don't forget you are also getting training/experience at the vanaduke fight. I've never fought him, but if i had went down there and lost several times, hell i might give it a shot.

It may be expensive, but you can always contextualize it: they will join you and beat vanaduke for you for less than the price of a 5* recipe. If you think it's too much, try and negotiate when you whisper them. If they are doing nothing and have a chance to spend 20 minutes to get their own tokens on your dime...never know.

Good idea. This kind of stuff makes the game/community fun.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 17:23
#10
sasano19
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Thanks

@Deecee
Thanks for the feedback, A part of the problem is consistency, its not like we just happen to be on Vanaduke and decided to charge X amount, we will go down for you as many times as you pay us for, we're selling you our own time as well that could be spent doing something else so I need to make the price attractive to both the costumer and the player doing the runs.I do understand the point you're making though its not the run itself is completely unprofitable by itself.

@jeburk
I like the outlook you give it, to the whole thing.And I also have to highlight this If you think it's too much, try and negotiate when you whisper them , we are always open to negotiation and I love a player than can take it upon himself to try and work out deal.I can respect that.

Apart from that I altered the prices a little bit nothing huge yet, still working on it.I'd also like to mention for players to be aware that we're willing to do 27th floor with them since a lot of people have issues with that floor.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 17:31
#11
RapBreon
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@Jeburk

Vanaduke is supposed to be the hard part, which is why it's the bulk of the cost >.>.

Also I sure as hell wouldn't pay for someone to kill Vanaduke for me if they hadn't done it MINIMUM 5 times before that (prefer 10+ before you try and sell yourself), but on that note, I wouldn't pay at all, I'd rather do it myself that feeling of satisfaction oh yeah.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:38
#12
Pupu
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Lol

Got any 0 crown prices for people perfectly capable of killing Duke and just looking for people to invite to their party?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:56
#13
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Splinter
@Vanguardian Since when can

@Vanguardian

Since when can you sell tokens?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 19:06
#14
Tsuyoi
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@ Paska I'm guessing he means

@ Paska I'm guessing he means he sells the stuff u get with tokens for the equivalent for 100ce per token.

As for OP, The original 2k was a bit steep, 1.2k ce is a bit more reasonable. You should probably provide a discount though for people who can actually help pull their own weight, aka ppl with some 5* gear that just need some help with strategy/dmg/mob aggro. I know that it typically takes a full party of 4 intermediate tier 3 ppl 3-4 revives EACH to kill vanaduke, resulting in each person spending like 300-400 ce on revives alone.

On a side note, you should probably also offer pricing based on what depth your team/their team joins the party. I find depth 24/25 MUCH easier when its just 1-2 ppl, and 26/27 easier with 2-3 instead of full party due to monster hps. Maybe have it be 1.2k for full run, 900 for you/them on 25/26, 600 for 27, etc?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 19:28
#15
requiemaeter
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@Tsuyoi "I know that it

@Tsuyoi
"I know that it typically takes a full party of 4 intermediate tier 3 ppl 3-4 revives EACH to kill vanaduke, resulting in each person spending like 300-400 ce on revives alone."

This may be typical of a party trying out Vanaduke for the first or second time, but normally it shouldn't take more than a res or two when not going solo.

Tue, 05/10/2011 - 15:16
#16
sasano19
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@Tsuyoi

Hey, I had thought about what you said about the discounts or some type service for people who don't need as much help(but just extra bodies/dps) the problem is there really isn't a way to tell unless you run Vanaduke with the person a few times, which is why I mentioned the Possible extra services for "2nd timers" etc.

And I'll give your Rates by # Floor idea some thought that might be worth looking into.

Again thanks for the feedback

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 01:37
#17
Astrophysicist
reply

@Tsuyoi
@requiemaeter

Vanaduke is not that hard if you know the tactics and have good equipment.
I have solo'd Vanaduke a total of 4 times (1st attempt died 3 times, 2nd attempt didn't die at all, 3rd attempt didn't die at all, and 4th attempt I didn't even use any HP pills).

If anyone was actually interested in such a business act (which I doubt anyone is), I would be selling Almirian Seals all the time to people.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 02:19
#18
DreadGuard
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@Vanguardian It's quite

@Vanguardian

It's quite profitable seeing as there are many people who still don't understand the Firestorm levels or Vanaduke patterns as people are now starting to understand what joey and us have down to a science.

And lets not kid ourselves, it takes several runs to fully understand a perfect firestorm run with no deaths.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:13
#19
paaulrex
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Meep

Idk about you.. But I find this quite funny. What's the point of getting your FoV when you can make a Combuster that does the same thing without the chance of getting fire. Lol. A bit overpriced too. I'll say just join a guild that does FSC runs. It'll save you a lot of CE. 1.2kce for a full FSC tour. If you do it by yourself, starting from t3, then you'll only use 90CE in elevator + the CE you use to revive yourself [10, 20, 40, 80, 160.. so on].

Just saying.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:19
#20
Tsuyoi
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the point is this service is

the point is this service is aimed at beginner vanaduke runners. they obviously cant solo or do it with only 1 revive etc.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:24
#21
paaulrex
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Well isn't that a bit too

Well isn't that a bit too much for beginners anyways? 1.2kCE Lol.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:34
#22
Tsuyoi
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Iono, there seems to be a lot

Iono, there seems to be a lot of cash heavy newbies these days, buying like 10k ce and then runnin around doing whatever they please.... one of em sold me a buncha extra weapon slots for 1000 cr each.....

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 09:39
#23
paaulrex
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Eh. I guess this is a way to

Eh. I guess this is a way to "make money." Can't really say anything else, but market is hella fk'd. LOL, anyways, hope this "business" is doing well.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 14:58
#24
sasano19
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Of course, theres people that

Of course, theres people that rather do it themselves, or people who have a guild already that can provide assistance.This service is clearly not aimed towards them.Beleive it or not theres A LOT of players who prefer playing solo, this service is aimed towards people who want to acquire some seals without having to go to the trouble of forming a team that can run it efficiently, apart from misc options like Jeburk mentioned to get Experience on the boss, or to finish off the last few seals you needed,etc.

As it goes the people that we have helped arn't completely hopeless in the game they just lack a proper team, and since there seems to be talk about it.With us nobody should be wasting CE on reviving at all.

I really dont understand why some people seem to think they have a right to criticize players that can or cannot do Vanaduke, everybody plays on their own pace nobody cares if you killed vanaduke on your first try with 2* equipment without being hit once.

Again this is a completely optional service its not like we're somehow forcing you to buy it, If you don't like the price then dont buy it unfortunately we're not some Sweatshop e-farmers that will work ourselves to the ground for little gain we also want to have fun. I hope some of you consider that when you think about weather" its "overpriced" or not.

Wed, 05/11/2011 - 15:41
#25
Astrophysicist
@paaulrex I don't know about

@paaulrex

I don't know about Combuster's charge attack, but Fang of Vog does massive charge-attack damage. It does 4x damage compared to other weapons' 3x, it has a large (bigger than Levi/CIV) 360-range and may set monsters on fire.
When I am alone in a party, it can 1-hit most monsters (including Trojans and Lumbers) and it's only bad against Gremlin/Beast, as is any other Elemental-type weapon.
I wear fire resistant armor and I get set on fire maybe 1 out of 4-5 attacks, and even if I do, it only takes away 2 hp bars, which will be instantly replenished after a few monster kills.
+ It also owns against Jelly King. Have 2 or more guys with Fang of Vog and he'll go down extremely fast.

TL;DR - Fang of Vog is used for it's amazing charge attack, not for an all-around use against any monster, which may be a misconception around players.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:07
#26
sasano19
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Combuster is at most of what

Combuster is at most of what we call a "poorman's alternative" like it was mentioned above the Fang's Charge is its main draw that being said all of Vanaduke Items(Ancient Set & Fang of Vog) are more so "Vanity" Items than "the best items ever"

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:36
#27
Luden
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FYI ancient set can be

FYI ancient set can be crafted where recipes can be bought. (edit im actually not sure now, but if u look at wiki it could be upgraded from heavy plate n there are ingredients listed.)
Fang of vog is something good to have i guess, but it has no practical usage.

and no, fang of vog does less damage than a full leviathan charge unless you are only comparing 1 charge and waiting it out vs 1 charge and burn damage till it expires.

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