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Bomber based items and other bomber stuff

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Tue, 02/19/2013 - 19:16
Waffleconecake's picture
Waffleconecake

Gear buffs and alterations
Armor
Currently bombers have the worst gear organised towards them out of the three weapon types only providing elemental defense for all the full sets and shadow from the Kat event. Due to this it is obvious that the armors for demos need to be changed to better provide different play styles and areas.
Mad bomber should be changed to pure normal defense and increased slightly but not allot. Give it a speed boost small per piece as well. The status effect debuff can be increased if it is needed but not by allot or else the suit will be over shadowed by the chaos set and be used even less.
Change the volcanic demo set to shadow defense instead of elemental. Increase the amount of shadow defense by half a bar.
The Mercurial Demo set is already fine in most regards and should be kept as the elemental armor of the set. If a buff is felt to be needed the suit piece can be given a speed boost medium instead of small to give it a slight edge to help keep it balanced but not break the scale.
Now for the bombastic set, this one I feel would be best for pricing defense and switch the defense type for the earlier types with it as well. A bomb damage bonus can be given to the set if it is needed of small per piece.
Sheilds
Bombers are also the only play style that does not have a shield made for it and this must change.
bomb shield idea A) Reverse shield bump
The idea of this is rather simple, instead of the enemy being bumped you are. The shield should be simply flat normal and just have a notably high normal defense or some specialization if wanted.
Bomb shield idea B) Bomb bumper
The name explains it all, the shield bumps your bomb. No need to get into major detail but will get into some. The bomb will be bounced just like an enemy would and will stop once it hits one. The bomb can go off mid bounce.

Bomb fixes/buffs
Elemental bombs over populate the branch of weapons and ironically has the lowest damage over all due to most of them being mainly used for status effects making them more of a secondary weapon for swordsmen and gunslingers.currently there are only two 5 star bomb with elemental damage that is not a vapor. One of these bombs can be only obtained from tokens for PvP while the other is a shard type. 21 bombs, 7 elemental, 2 offensive, 4 shadow, 3 normal, and only 3 pricing. The number of bomb choices are obismal and needs to be increased greatly.
Bombers also have a very large issue when it comes to things like setting off switches, break ghost blocks that are placed at a distance to keep a none required gift from being obtained.
A bomb is needed that in it self is more functional then offensive, a type of use item if any thing. I bleave this item should be a type of hand sized bombs that do little to no damage but at the same time do not take up an item slot and could possibly be a special bomb armor item bonus that can be used when you hit a key to be thrown.
The shard bomb items are not the easiest item to use as they are rather unpredictable making them hard to use. A way to make this easier would be to make that the shards fly towards enemy instead of a fixed spot as well as keep them from just not spawning if you place it too close to a wall or edge.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 03:58
#1
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Um, no... -Volcanic demo suit

Um, no...

-Volcanic demo suit was meant to help people in FSC. Taking away the elemental defense makes no sense.

-The mercurial demo set, having med msi on both piece, would make the armor too op. Though, some people have suggested msi on one part of the set.

-And if mad bomber were to get msi, it would devalue the special merc. set in return. The term "glass cannon" means large damage plus the reduced ctr. Having speed added with that would be a bit much. Cannons aren't meant to move fast :P

-Shields, not a good idea. If you get bumped, think of the number of chances you could get launched into hazards, or even other monsters...

-Bomb bumping = a ground-based gun. Imagine bombers being able to do this in LD. It would be like everything was the RSS before the buff. Plus, some bombers shield after they place a bomb, and then switch bombs. This would hinder their techniques.

-bomb fixes... the bombs actually cover about the same as that for guns, so that is not much to complain about.

-bomb and switches- you do know swords have that same issue, right?

-bomb thrown- that would be like an extra, and not something I'd like to see since it is like giving a bomber another weapon slot. Besides, that sprite patch that's coming in the middle of the year would be like this.

-shard bomb- ...you're kidding right? That was exactly how the old RSS bomb was before they nerfed it. That would be like unbuffing that line all over again.

Sorry to say. but this idea needs a bit more work. I can see how your feel the whole bomber line needs a fix, but mostly for the poor Mad bomber set.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 07:34
#2
Infernoburner's picture
Infernoburner
Stalemate

Volcanic demo suit was meant to help people in FSC. Taking away the elemental defense makes no sense.

Yes it does. About 91% of the monsters in FSC deal shadow damage, there's just 5 slimes, and around 8 constructs. (More if the wheels belong to construct family)
I believe it was supposed to help players across Gremlin/construct themed fire levels, and now the burning Ironclaw Munitions Factory.

+1 to set changes
-1 to shields
Ladies and gentlementlemen, we got a stalemate

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:04
#3
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Lol, my bad on that

Lol, my bad on that statement. Still... the name "Volcanic" would be associated with fire, an elemental status :P

I was typing a lot >.<

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:06
#4
Softhead's picture
Softhead
Fire does it's own dmg.

You don't see the colours alternate.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:16
#5
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
I know that, but it is still

I know that, but it is still an elemental status.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:17
#6
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Mad Bomber uses many shadow related materials and Bombatic used to use many pierce related materials.

Both those shield ideas have shown up many months ago, the repelling one boiling down to non-bombers taking advantage of it. Do something to it to make those laser slingshot and metal stick toting aardvarks go back to their Swiftstrikes and what not.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:23
#7
Softhead's picture
Softhead
@Earth and Necrophilia

How so?

I mean, it really doesn't count as one, as Shadow and piercing ones can use it?

Really, shock is the only TRUE elemental, as it deals pure ele.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 02:46
#8
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Well... fire couldn't be

Well... fire couldn't be considered a shadow/piercing/normal so... yeah, fire would fit under elemental, just like freeze. Stun is the only one that seems a bit out of place. Also, I don't think any shadow weapon gives fire damage. It's the separation of statuses in the game.

and to add some outside notes, fire is one of the elements in real life, the man-made one :P

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 10:54
#9
Softhead's picture
Softhead
Shadow fire.

really, Poison.

You'll think it's shadowy or Piercing, but it fits with all three.

Also, Mr Undead-Soil, Flamberge.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 13:50
#10
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
my 2 cents

A) Reverse shield bump
The idea of this is rather simple, instead of the enemy being bumped you are

Geezus am I the only one who thought "Good, now I can glitch my way through everything" or is it just me?

I would personally use it to bump myself over any traps whatsoever...

"oh a spike trap... hey you zombol come here!" *bumps myself* "WEEEEEEEEEEE"

Trojan are already useful for that, having a shield that make you bump yourself on any enemy is simply... too OP...

Just wayyyy too OP....

*wait for vana to strike down* *bump shield away* *start blitz charge*

Or is it just me?

Edit: And I would try to bump myself out of map obviously... seeing how easy zombols can do it, I would certainly give it a good 30 minutes try... Also on various map corner that looks suspicious and whatnot

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:48
#11
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Look, softhead, I just gave

Look, softhead, I just gave my opinion on the thread. Leave me alone, ok. Plus, I never commented on the relation of fire and piercing. If you want to keep fighting, have fun doing so. Every time you make another post, it only shows others how you refuse to let a thread end.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:58
#12
Softhead's picture
Softhead
Isn't this thread good though?

I would counter, but eh.

Volcanic fits anyway, Zeddy's thread explains that well.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 18:08
#13
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Link me? <3

May I have a link to Zeddy's thread. I want to read up a bit more on the bomber gear as a whole before I help out more on the forums lol :3

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 18:09
#14
Softhead's picture
Softhead
....

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/75267

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 18:11
#15
Terra-Necro's picture
Terra-Necro
Thank you! <3

Thank you! <3

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