Spiral Knights - Ideas from the boresight of a gunner.

Ideas from the boresight of a gunner.

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Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:14

Veolen

As someone who's been playing this game since there were only two bosses in the clockworks, I've come to carve out a little niche for what I like and for what works best for me. And I've spread my teaching to my guild and those who'd listen, helping out all the aspiring gunner-types out there for what gun is best and how to do their fancy footwork. Like a devilite. And to that end I've noticed a few things I'd like to see, a few things I notice are either a bit wonky or just lacking in my sphere of the spiral.

The wonky part, the biggest wonky part, is the AP and Sentenza Owl. Oh, the charge Owl, how I love thee for your flying grace, your swooping knockback, your total lack of being able to fire when I'm against a wall. Or next to a brick. Or within earshot of a block. I love the charge shots to death, but they're not so useful when any little knick in the terrain makes it explode before it even comes out of the barrel. Just move the spawn point of that owl to the front of the character, please, so I don't have to forsake my poor owl in the midst of a swarm of lumbers.

On a side note with the AP and Sentenza: I remember the time when they were piercing/whatever. Was a pain to use them. The redo on the two guns makes them amazingly more useful, but there's still a lack of one thing in a gunner's arsenal. Piercing damage. We've got all of two guns (I know three, but with Blitz and Plague being the same gun type I'm lumping them together), to do piercing. And with the love of devilites and grievers and silkwings, gunners really do get the short of the stick on killing these (already painful and dodgy) types of enemies. It's either the Needles which leave us open if we miss or the Callahan which, well, honestly, needs a bit of a revamp. It's got far too many cons to make it of any use in the field.

My thought originally was to make a 3rd 5* Antigua line, one for piercing. It does make sense, considering the Antigua starts off as piercing to begin with, so it'd only be natural there's an end point that pierces as well. Color it Silver. Call it the Stratavarius. "This sound of this firearm's bullets flying through the air is like a symphony. And a death knell for devilites. But still a symphony." Same damage as the AP and Sent, same speed. Just SOMETHING so gunners don't have to cower and hide because our piercing offense is limited to two guns that leave us vulnerable for two of the most maneuverable and agile monsters in the game. Just something that'd make it much less of a hassle and put us on par with the sworders with their Rapiers and Snarby Swords and the bombers with their myriad of piercers.

Another side note to the side note: The Magnus line. I love the idea of it, it's just so.. so many issues. As I said with the Callahan there's far too many cons to make it a viable gun to bring into the fray. Even the Iron Slug gets beat out in usefulness to the Valiance or Supernova. Two shot clips, slow bullets, unable to move while firing, shorter range. The entirety of the gunner's life is to avoid getting hit by stray bullets, avoid getting chomped by Kats. The needles make up for the unable to move by being downright painful on a charge shot. The Magnus line.. well. The charge shot knocks you back on your rear for a few seconds. I dunno what would be best to make the Magnus line useful again, but either give it a damage boost to make up for all of the cons or let us move while taking those heavy-hitting potshots at people. Too many things dodge and block for us to be a stationary turret in the middle of a battle. And aside from the needle I can't think of another thing that forces you to stand still while using it. Even sworders get to move and weave.

There's just a lot of little things, but I think this is a good place to start without overwhelming you guys. xD I know you're working your glowy eyes off, but I figured I'd pipe up as someone who's been playing this for so long on some things that, at least personally, I'd like to see changed/fixed/revamped. You've got a lot of nifty things in the world, I'd just like to put some of them to use. This from the gunner who did whole guild catalyzer runs just to see the screen bounce and shake and the one who went into FSC toting himself a super stun gun, JUST because the charge shot star looked THAT cool.

Make me a 5* Uber Stun Gun, please. :D

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:54

Galax-Zero

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this is good idea!!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 18:54

Vlad

Since the Antigua and Sealed

Since the Antigua and Sealed Sword are both related weapons (Dark/Light, acquired via Jelly Gems, crafted with similarl mats), I think it'd only make sense to create a piercing sealed sword as well. Also, I'd suggest making the Stradivarius (Why name it after an expensive violin(s)?) green [I'm not sure how that would work out], because the Sealed Sword used to be green.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 22:29

Faullboy

Its a great idea, i have an blitz and the mega magnus and i find it weird that the only guns in the game that make you stand still are piercing (accepting the pepperbox line) , this is really annoying because devilites and greavers both prey on unmoving targets so i think it would be a great idea to make a piercing gun like the AP or senteza or at least a piercing gun that made you able to move while firing.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 23:26

Klipik-Forum

Some ideas

Making the shots originate from the front of the character rather than the back isn't just an AP/Sentaza problem, it also applies to a bunch of different swords and guns. Valiance and DA/GF spring to mind. I've seen someone complain they got hit with a valiance bullet while standing behind the user. And would you agree that they should rework the charges to be faster, and not shoot the 6 useless bullets no one wants anyway?
(AP has an eagle, not an owl, btw.)

Snarbolax Gun - someone's idea of a 5* piercing gun. Personally, I like the crossbow variant better than the Antigua one, but it's up to OOO to decide what it looks like. I totally agree that a 5* mobile piercing gun is needed - I've even started bringing my Antigua into some stratum 5 devilite levels because of its sheer usefulness.

Magnus line - Iron Slug at any rate - is supposed to be a big, hard-hitting gun, right? Huge boolit slam into enemy's face. Callahan does piercing damage, which doesn't really fit into the line - even though the rest of the line does it too. How to balance it? Increase the range by maybe one or two squares, and make it do what it looks like it was designed to. For Iron Slug, give it stopping/flinching power. Not knockback, stopping. As in, it knocks down everything it hits (except big stuff of course). For Callahan, make it more like a sniper - still some stopping power, but make it have 1 longer range than Slug and make it actually pierce enemies, go through them, come out the other side, and hit the next guy too.

~Klipik's alt

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 01:01

Veolen

Why the name - Because it

Why the name - Because it sounded cool. Like Sentenza does. xD Green could work too.

The idea of making Callahan more of a sniper gun is actually pretty interesting. Make it pierce through enemies with normal shots. Maybe make the charged shot less of a HUGE FREAKING BULLET and more of a very quick, very piercing shot. Would give it some sense then as to why it's piercing. It definitely needs that range increase and something to make it more of a heavy hitting gun.

Also, I always thought it was an owl. The face is too round for an eagle. No beak. And the talons on the bottom are too forward-reaching for an eagle.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 05:26

Nobodyno

Snarby crossbow!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 07:02

Klipik

Sentaza charge

AP charge

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 10:16

Autofire

@Noklip

THAT would really help the iron slug.

The Callahan, I think, needs a range buff and a damage buff. Maybe even just range. Then it'd be fine.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:13

Veolen

Yeah. In doing some tests in

Yeah. In doing some tests in the training hall, the range on the Magnus line is.. they're all but melee guns. They just need something unique, and being crummy in range and unable to maneuver and having lackluster damage. Yeah. D:

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:02

#10

Pokusan

Def

I couldn't have said it better myself. I've always been bothered by the fact that there is no continuation of an Antigua. I don't mind my needle shot, but even though I play primarily as a sworder, i've always fancied myself a fast gun that is effective. I do like the damage and speed of the Valiance, but I feel like the full potential of a quick, mobility driven piercing gun has yet to be made. I just end up using my Barbarous Thorn Blade against most Devilites and Greavers, simply because, I can maneuver well. I know that the dodging capability of Devilites and such are what make them some of the most hideous monsters to fight in SK, but any gunner would appreciate not being left open for a duration for 5 or 6 greavers to fly around him and trap him. As it is, the idea is interesting, and the more we can keep things interesting in the SK world, the longer we will be enticed to stay active. Good idea, Veolen.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:49

#11

Zeka

The Magnus line needs some loving

I think the range on the Magnus line is just right, but they could use a boost in other categories.
Piercing shells for the Magnus is something I've suggested and wanted for a very berry long time.
The Magnus line guns are basically Magnums (note: Callahan Reference).
They should pierce the way magnums famously do in a variety of other games.
It would give the Magnus line something unique to bring to the table.
While the dmg may still be subpar for T3, the ability to stun and mow down mobs should make it more than viable.
This is especially true if you know how to 2x swap it for fast, continuous fire.

If only Catalyzer charges exploded when the enemy dies too...

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 20:17

#12

Severage

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Hahaha, Stradivarius. Is that so you can sarcastically play the violin whenever you kill someone?

The 5* Antigua piercing line has been wanted since AP/Sentenza were made useful (That is, piercing removed). Any mobile piercing gun would do.

By the by, AP/Sentenza have reasons why they're named that...not really cause they just "sound cool" like apparently Stradivarius does. 'Argent' is heraldry, usually in silver, represented by the color white, and Peacemaker is obvious. 'Sentenza' is Italian for "Verdict" or "Sentence". As in, resolving a problem or passing a sentence.

Just thought I'd throw that in there...I don't think Stradivarius makes sense being piercing, unless you suck at playing the Violin...that's piercing.

~Sev

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