Spiral Knights - Podcast Discussion: Which Jelly Gun (Antigua, Silversix, etc.) is the worst? + Describe your favorite one in two words!

Podcast Discussion: Which Jelly Gun (Antigua, Silversix, etc.) is the worst? + Describe your favorite one in two words!

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Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:45

Latisan-Sklay

Okeydoke.

So, after some negative feedback by Retequizzle and Fehzor (two knights whom I respect), we're going to try to change up these "terrible podcast segments" a bit.

So! Two parter.
These are all about the guns acquired through Jelly Gem tokens. However, we're limiting your choices. That is to say, please pick from Antigua (3* piercing), Argent Peacemaker (5* elemental), and Sentenza (5* shadow).

1) Order the guns in order from "least favourite" to "most favourite" as it pertains to general application (perhaps the Antigua is better than the 5*s because you can use it in T2 PvP? Perhaps you'd rather have a sword than the AP? etc.). Or, if you're too lazy, just tell which one is your least favorite.
Regardless of the option you choose, also tell us why you find your least favourite the least favourable. We want to know why.

2) Choose your most favourite of the guns and describe it in two words. Only two.

Three weeks of forum feedback and going strong. You all are awesome! Keep it up!

PS: I also see now that our previous thread got moved the Arsenal... these will go there from now on. Sorry!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:31

Aureate

Antigua - it's a 3* piercing gun with low damage. Magnus' knockdown would be preferable for Beasts and Devilites.
Argent Peacemaker - not a lot of damage on the bullets, and the enemies it's designed for are not all that dodgy, other than Kats. I would generally rather use a Nova or Storm Driver instead, if only for the sake of saving my index finger from RSI.
Sentenza - made for killing Gremlins, and does a pretty good job of it. Has an advantage over Umbra with its faster bullets, even if it does have lower damage. Not quite as optimal for crowds of jellies, but then I can live with that. Useful for PvP purposes as well, goes fashion-wise with my Black Kat Cowl, not to mention this:

Purple bullets.
(You wanted two words, right?)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 11:36

Latisan-Sklay

Yup!

Ok. Glad we got someone catching on to our somewhat confusing format.
Aureate's is perfect! Thanks!

Also, if you'd rather have a copy+paste format with which to type in your answers, use this (and remember, only the 3 and 5* versions... the 4*s are too intermediate to help our discussion and no one that I know of in their right mind would keep it if given the opportunity to go 5*):

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Least favourite to most favourite:

^ is my least favourite because:

These two words describe my most favourite of the guns:

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 12:23

Canine-Vladmir

Screw Rete and Fehzor, i like ur podcast ideas.

ill give it a go.
>Least Favorite to Most Favorite<
-Blackhawk = it appears to be broken (not mentioned but i dont like it at all)
-Antigua = its the worst thing to bring to wolver levels.
-Sentenza = good in Lockdown and fun to bring to IQ levels.
-Argent Peacemaker = extremely useful in FSC. Undead Damage Bonus makes it useful in any undead levels. Pretty much, it hasn't failed me yet.

>Most Favorite<
-Argent Peacemaker = Pure Epicness

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 12:32

Yanos-Aldrin

Suuuuuuuuuuure

Antigua - At first it's an ambiguous pea shooter, a mere platform to what it can become.

Sentenza - Pinging dodging gremlins as I close the distance gap to get a swing in from my GF is an effective strategy for me, the combination of a fast gun & slow sword balances out the offensive portfolio. This weapon also breaks the Mortar Gremlin's armor quickly, leaving him vulnerable.

Argent Peacemaker - All of the reasons to the sentenza apply to the AP in abstract, but my AP gets a lot more use due to the abundance of different enemies that are weak to it combined with the attack patterns of said enemies, and the undead damage bonus is a nice sweetner.

I believe the discussion of why I would prefer these weapons over alchemer and catalyzer lines would need to be deferred to another time.

as for the two words:

Pew Pew.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 13:55

Retequizzle

I'm impressed to see that my

I'm impressed to see that my slightly uncouth way of making an observation about your previous thread was noted and that the threads can be dynamic in a sense. I'm even more impressed that I was mentioned - lahhhhhhhve youuuuuuu.

So whatever, you obliged me, I'll oblige you.

1) Order the guns in order from "least favourite" to "most favourite" as it pertains to general application (perhaps the Antigua is better than the 5*s because you can use it in T2 PvP? Perhaps you'd rather have a sword than the AP? etc.). Or, if you're too lazy, just tell which one is your least favorite.
Regardless of the option you choose, also tell us why you find your least favourite the least favourable. We want to know why.

From worst to best? Antigua, Argent Peacemaker, Sentenza.

I just don't like the Antigua despite it's rather classy, minimalist look. If they made a 5* line of pure piercing, then maybe we'd have a rodeo.

2) Choose your most favourite of the guns and describe it in two words. Only two.

Sentenza - "Angel Eyes" or "Death Sentence" - either work for me. I love the fact that we can include pop culture references in the games. Also the fact that it translates to "Sentence" in Italian, which is implicitly why I picked a set of words to be "Death Sentence".

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 14:48

Iron-Volvametal

I might not be a Gunner, but if I was, these would be my opinions on them:

Sentenza

Gremlins dodge a lot. It'd be better to just use Dark Briar Barrage or Dark Retribution to handle them. Even Umbra Driver would work better, with it's bullets splitting. It would be my choice in Lockdown, however, I don't goto T3 & it has a chance of not being able to be usable, due to possible Snarbolax Set Users.

Antigua

I bring this gun whenever I'm doing Roarmulus Twins Runs. Why? With its speed & maneuverability, it's perfect for speed running. Although, it it isn't good in PvE, it's amazing in PvP, locking down enemies & doing massive damage with the Death Mark on them.

Argent Peacemaker

Undead & Construct, possibly the slowest monsters out there, will be defeated in a matter of seconds with this Gun. Dealing plenty of damage, whilst able to move away from the target(s), this Gun would probably be the first Gun I'd craft to 5*. I actually have an Alt with the Silversix & am loving it already. If I played T3 Lockdown, this would be my sidearm.

And my two words:

"Recon's friend."

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 15:01

Klipik

Can you have a "most favorite"? wouldn't it just be "favorite"?

Sentaza: Slimes are easy to kill anyway, and gremlins have that annoying shield.

AP: Quick, high dps, and mobile. The perfect sidearm.

Antigua: Sadly, this is the best gun for T3 fiend levels. Which is the place you need a gun like this the most.

Two words for Antigua:
Make 5*.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 16:03

Vescrit

Antigua: this gun is

Antigua: this gun is basically the first stepping stone for your 5* gun or a utility weapon in T2 LD. Doesn't do well against beasts or fiends as they dodge the most and you'd want a Callahan for them anyway. Blitz needle? Stop being silly.

Sentenza: Dealing with gremlins is no problem with this gun, they don't dodge nearly as much as they used to. Simply fire once to get them to do their initial dodge then rain shadowy death upon them before their next one. The only gremlin type it shouldn't be used on is T3 menders as its damage is not enough to prevent them from popping their shields. Slimes aren't all that hard either, with well placed shots in a group of them chasing you can easily hit multiple slimes.

Argent: My favorite as it has much more utility than Sentenza in the clockworks. Both Sentenza and Argent can hit switches but Argent is by far a better choice as you can deal much more damage to constructs or howlitzers from a distance while Sentenza only deals more damage to polyps. It's easy to weave through a group of zombies to get them closer together for multiple hits for shots, mechaknights should be approached with this weapon in a similar fashion to Sentenza with Gremlins. A single shot in their general direction to get them to shield, this can buy you time to get away from being cornered and the cooldown between each time they shield is large enough for you to get some shots off on them once they lower their shields. This strategy is one that requires caution in a team as a shielded mechaknight could ruin a swordmaster's combo and result in them taking unnecessary damage.

Argent Peacemaker: Use wisely.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 00:22

Possiblespy

Argent Peacemaker in FSC? Nah.

3* Antigua: If it were just by looks, its uncomplicatedness and bright orange bullets would win. But it just can't kill much past T2...

5* Sentenza: Perfect compromise between looking awesome and actually functioning enough to kill anything much. Also a pretty good gun for FSC for those oilers. It's also got decent damage against the fire turrets, and that little bit of knockback the charge's bird does could probably be useful for herding zombies.

5* Argent Peacemaker:
Reason 1: I use it for dashing through Ironclaw Munitions Factory, it's a fantastic gun for hitting switches with enough damage to, in a party of one to two knights, one-hit-kill one of the Roarmulus Twins into the next phase with a charge attack. Add some CTR or ASI, and I really think that you've got the single best weapon in the game for killing the boss.
Reason 2: It can 'distract' almost anything. Wolvers, gremlins, and devilites all dodge around so much that they forget to attack. Robots and the undead are distracted by being killed. Jellies (not resistant to elemental) and Chromalisks (not very common) are the only threat left. I suppose there's the Greavers, Trojans, and those shielding Mechaknights left too, but I don't think either of the other guns we're talking about would fare much better against them.

Two words: Useful charge!

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 02:53

#10

Fehzor

This is a silly thread... you're comparing 5 items from one line... 2 of them are entirely null and void due to having upgrades that are direct upgrades. A third, being Antigua, stops at 3* before changing it's nature completely to elemental or shadow, leaving 2 options, being Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza, which are apples to oranges.

So which one is better? Well, you see, they are the same gun, but are better at fighting different things.

Sentenza correlates to, in order from most applicability to least: Gremlins, slimes, beasts and construct.
Argent Peacemaker correlates to,in order from most applicability to least: Undead, construct, fiends and slimes.
Antigua correlates to,in order from most applicability to least: Beasts, Fiends, Undead and Gremlins.

The obvious fact of the matter is that Antigua is 3*, and is thus virtually unusable past T2- making it forever a poor investment. So it comes down to which can fight it's subject matter the best. It is my opinion that this style of gun is best at fighting things like turrets, zambies, various jellies, devilites and retrodes, and that most other things are, while possible to be fought with this style of weapon, better fought with other types of guns and the likes. The bulk of these are best fought with Argent peacemaker, so that would be my choice for "best jelly line gun" or whatnot.

Two words for all: Strafe quickly

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 05:15

#11

Krakob

You've posted more than a few of these topics. It'd be really cool if you could put them in The Arsenal instead.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 06:24

#12

Latisan-Sklay

@Fehzor and Krakob

@Fehzor - Well thank you for your feedback. Allow me to say though that the point of the discussion is not to pick and all-time favorite and to leave the other guns in the dust. The point is to determine based on the feedback of the forum users which gun is best chosen first. Yes, the guns are all of different calibers. But you gotta keep in mind that not everyone is at endgame. You only get 20 Jelly Gems at a time, and we want to suggest based on reasoning (thus the question "Why?") what the best first, second, and third choices are.

Second, I still have your "THE WORLD; my take on the balance of every weapon in the game" thread bookmarked and have your notes already in our show notes upon your request. So really, these threads pertaining to weapons shouldn't necessarily involve you. If they do, it's extra information - you've already given your feedback and opinions - so please don't be so negative about our threads. As much as you might think/like to think, we're not stupid. We're not as smart as you, Vog knows that. But we aren't stupid.

We changed the format of these threads because of your negative feedback. If you can suggest a better idea for us to get forum feedback and reach our end goal, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise we will commence with our podcast segments on various gear lines in the game.

Again, if you don't like it, consider offering us an alternative. We'd love to hear - really, we would.

@Krakob - I added the post scriptum to the first post on this thread not 15 minutes after actually publishing it, because it was then that I recognized that these threads were being pushed there anyways and that these pertain to that. Apparently, you didn't read it?

In any case, thank you for your feedback.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 07:32

#13

Krakob

So why haven't you moved it? It's possible to do that, afaik.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 07:45

#14

Latisan-Sklay

Is that so?

Would you please care to enlighten me? Outside of reposting the thread, I know of no way to move the thread.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 07:46

#15

Canine-Vladmir

Fehzor is such a diva.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 08:19

#16

Thunder-The-Bright

to move the thread:

go above your post and click edit. above the place where you write (I don't remember the name) there is the "section" setting.
now, for the weapons:
antigua is not good. even with the 6 shot clip, it's crazy to use it in wolfer/ fiend levels.
AP itself is a great gun, but since it's good on undead and constructs, you really don't need it.
Sentenza solved my problem with gremlins. and it was a big one. sentenza is a gremlin killer

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 10:20

#17

Raisinfist

Hmm

Can I choose only #2?

Sentenza
AWESOME TASTIC
:P

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:07

#18

Latisan-Sklay

Yup, that's all good.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 06:11

#19

Fleet-Miss-Gun

Can I also choose only #2

Argent Peacemaker
It's incredibly good for graveyards and undead levels.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 06:46

#20

Latisan-Sklay

Anyone else?

I've gotten all these down in the show notes (finally).

I'm not normally a procrastinator, but when it comes to these threads... /shrug

Anyone else want to give their input meantime?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 09:45

#21

Fehzor

"The point is to determine based on the feedback of the forum users which gun is best chosen first."

There are two apparent ways that make sense to me-

Antigua > Silversix > Argent Peacemaker > 2nd Antigua > black hawk > Sentenza

Would be the best way if all you want is a side arm for the bulk of the in-game content. I would only recommend doing it this way if you're planning on becoming a bomber or a swordsman with a handgun for support. Later on, after you've crafted everything you need to bomb/sword things, getting Sentenza for SLs and danger missions is a good idea- its indefinitely better when it comes to things like Compound Forty Two.

Antigua > Black Hawk > 2nd Antigua > Silversix > Argent Peacemaker > Sentenza

Would be the best way if you're going to become a pure gunner that relies off of damage and ASI. Blackhawk is far better than silversix when it comes to fighting the T2 bosses, as it lets you hit the switches well in ICMF.. and gives you shadow damage for slimes+gremlins as well. The 2nd antigua is needed before Firestorm Citadel under such a loadout.

"Fehzor is such a diva."
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Podcast Discussion: Which Jelly Gun (Antigua, Silversix, etc.) is the worst? + Describe your favorite one in two words!