Vanaduke actually has no weakness to pierce. Charged blitz bullets do the same damage to him as they do to the slags that spawn during the fight.
Buff the monsters... seriously (or atleast T3)
Tue, 02/26/2013 - 13:18
#6252
Tue, 02/26/2013 - 14:16
#6253
I say keep T3 the same, but make SL's harder (I say this never having run one). Also, what's this about T1 enemies in FSC?
Tue, 02/26/2013 - 14:20
#6254
MHMM
YEEESSSSSSSS. Buff T3
+1
Im close to suggesting buffing Fiends too but i dont think the community would respond well to that.
Tue, 02/26/2013 - 14:25
#6255
Buffing Greavers would be fine. Devilites, not so much :P
Tue, 02/26/2013 - 15:08
#6256
It's always the same
What most people on the forum don't seem to see is, that they are playing this game for a lot more time and for a lot longer than the normal casual player.
You actually answered your problem in the first sentence:
"I've been playing this game for a very long time already [...]"
And then you say:
"atm I find nothing challenging"
Does that seem strange to you? Because really, it's not. Try playing Monster Hunter, with time something that you couldn't even dream of becomes a story of 5 to 10 minutes. Making T3 harder only makes this game less appealing to beginners. Even less than it already is. The transition between T2 and 3 would be just to great of a hurdle. You have hit the End game, which is called so, because it is the end of the game. At some point there just is nothing left. What you need is something new, something beyond T3, NOT taking T3 from those that need it.
What you are suggesting is not just selfish but also more than too much. There are people other than the elitists on the forums.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 18:28
#6257
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Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:57
#6258
my 2 cents
After forming some newcomer, I can tell you Vanaduke is harder than you think. You simply got used to it...
Personally I would try to alter Vanaduke Transition between phase 2 to 3 and 4 to 5 with the mobs spawning... Personally I would put some normal spawners for Slags instead of Vanaduke ability... Just spawning slags and zombols more often could be enough
No need to go overboard with it, a simple tweak could be enough to fix Vanaduke difficulty...
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:06
#6259
No sense argueing
Of course you would argue with "but mah friends!", which is not a good argument as well, but we could play that back and forth. And yes, even one hour a day can be more than a casual player.
But that all aside, let me just end this by giving you a number:
Steam has achievements. You can see how many people managed to complete each achievement. Of all the players with steam how many do you think managed to earn "Free Spirit", defeating Vanaduke in the Firestorm Citadel?
1%
If you look even further and take all achievements into consideration you can clearly see how there are constantly less people willing to continue deeper into the clockworks.
Now have fun argueing that it still needs to be more difficult, so even less people manage to reach T3. Why not raise crafting costs, while at it?
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:19
#6260
To be fair only 1.4% even alchemized a single 5* item. I don't think the game's difficulty, per se, is the problem as much as the absurd amount of time/luck/devotion it takes to earn resources for your first 5* set.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:44
#6261
Shh he doesn't need to know!
Jokes aside, only few people get even that far, true, but the numbers are still far to low to say that everyone just waltzes over Vana like nothing.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 10:07
#6262
Beep Boop
@Zeddy and Yauj
While the difficulty of reaching T3 and crafting 5* equipment is definitely challenging in a way and requires time and devotion to the game, I think another factor is the over simplicity of T1. It is far too simple and easy compared to the rest of the game. T3 is a nice boost in difficulty compared to T2, but T2 is a huge ramp-up in difficulty compared to the simplistic nature of T1. Especially with how things are now, what with the T1 boss being Beast themed which is universally regarded as a ridiculously overly nerfed monster family.
I'm concerned that players get a bit too bored before they really reach the good stuff. I mean they might also get bored from the grinding of T2 and T3, but usually by then SK has already reeled them in with its charm and gameplay so they'd be more likely to stay. So I say, buff T1 and make it more interesting/challenging.
Also, yeah give some more end-game content, but that's a given. We've been waiting quite a while for the Core and the Swarm stuff to really get rolling.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 18:30
#6263
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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:08
#6264
dem steam achievements
The real reason is that so many people either 1) installed, didn't like it, and quit or 2) played for the steam achievement/TF2 hat and left.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:13
#6265
1)hat looks ugly
2) if they
1)hat looks ugly
2) if they didnt like it, then they should just buff t3 monster, FSC is so boring because you do the run way too much so you get used to it and also the buffed up slags dont even make a difference because the slags arent even close to a zombie
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:30
#6266
When I started playing,
When I started playing, something that really put me off was when I found my mist energy depleted. In contrast, TF2 doesn't prevent you from playing. It wasn't really the bosses, because, well, I never even reached them before I stopped playing. In fact, I only really began playing persistently when the level payoff meant that mist energy wasn't that much of an inhibitor. If everyone had elevator passes, I think fewer players would have left, and more of us would find ourselves enjoying the game and feeling compeled to purchase those vanity items.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:51
#6267
One hit kills
What they need is one hit kills.
Like if you have a gran faust in JK, and you hit a jelly they should die with one hit.
In OCH tier 1, I used my faust but it took 2 hits to kill even the gremlins.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:49
#6268
@Crysis 3?
NO.
Why would you want it easier, with OHKO?
Please, I'm kindly asking you to GTFO.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 05:56
#6269
^
So does this means that Oatmonster is your alt or vice versa because you also basically said GTFO the same way as Oatmonster?
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 07:26
#6270
Just to have said it
It may be just me, knowing full well how "fun" it is to see a real challenge in fighting Vanaduke or the last arena before him, that I can not see any appeal in your suggestion. How is it fun to waste energie on revives? How is it fun to fail on the last boss? How is it fun to be hit by random lava plates, being stuck in them and also dieing?
Except for the last one, which is rather difficult to avoid, being a random bug, I am quite happy to have outgrown all this - and I would under no circumstances want go back to them. For me it's not fun clobbing waves of waves of zombies with high HP in a narrow room. It's no fun either fighting for more than 5 minutes in a single room. There is no appeal for me in chopping away at some lifebars for hours on end, if it really is just that. Grinding is bad, bad grinding within a grind is even worse.
For example, I prefer "Built to destroy" every day of the week to setting a foot into the FSC, simply because it is so much more fun. It has clever level design, the puzzles and traps actually reward skill, you are never treated unfair and the enemies, while not really strong, are still intergrated so well, that you don't have to bother with rooms 3/4 full with zombies.
FSC on the other hand, has a really boring design, the puzzles are stupid (carry statue from A to B is no fun), the traps are really just a nuisance to clobbing zombies for hours on end, several bugs and strange AI at times really ruin the fun, and the enemies? The enemies are the worst. Slagwalkers over and over again. And again. And they have so much HP that it just becomes a chore to keep hitting them, over and over again. Sure, you could give them more HP and stronger attacks, but that won't solve the "fun problem", but only prolong a hardly bearable suffering.
I absolutly agree, Vanaduke is no fun - but not because he is to easy. He is simply no fun. The Boss from Ghost in the Machine, that one is fun. Roarmulus Twins, even the normal ones, are fun. But Vanaduke, regardless of easiness, is not. Prolonging the buttpain of a fight with him would be anything BUT(t) fun.
Also, Arkus is a one time story boss, meant to be beaten soley for the progression of the story. He holds nothing of value and is exacly as difficult as he should be for someone of that level.
Wolvers sure are easy, but they usually come in great numbers and are still annoying for gunners without a Blitzneedle. The problem with them is, that it's not equally difficult for everyone, so raising there difficulty would be harder on some players than on others.
All in all, I can just say that I absolutly dislike the idea of buffing anything right now. I'd rather see some good new content or rework of something existing than bother with something that I already can't stand.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 18:18
#6271
Adding hardmode?
I think the difficulty is fine now
I'm free 2 play and I took 3 months to get to Vanguard
Personally, as a not-so-old player, I don't think increasing the whole game's difficulty is a great idea because not many new players can afford good 5 star gear(I mean 5 star gear for every damage or defense type)
So using 4 star gear in 5 star missions (rank 9) is not easy, I watched people die like a million times as "we" don't have good gear and some of "them" don't have good ping(while I have).
I think the best option is to add something like hardmode in party option so those /bored Vanguards will have something challenging.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 18:31
#6272
I would agree with some of these, but not vanaduke. Try fighting him without using blitz needle/shiver. Do swords only vanaduke. Most parties have several blitz needlers and a shivermist buster at their disposal. Vanaduke is not easy at all, until you've fought him several thousand times.
Arkus is also plenty hard. You might think he's easy now- what if you had to fight multiple of him? Buffing him would be nice, but I'm not sure that it would be the smartest course of action, with regards to new avenues for content.
Deadnauts are also plenty hard. Try soloing the last arena of League of Almire and then come back and tell me to buff them... if they are going to get a buff, I would like for it to be something like better AI and not better stats.
Wolvers are derpy... the ice queen doesn't even do ice. These could easily be fixed- make the ice cream drops those ice blocks from HoI or something... and let wolvers in T2/3 turn their heads to bite people. They used to be scary... beasts are a joke now.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 19:06
#6273
Post updated
Updated the post merging my multiple replies to post into the main post.
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 19:38
#6274
I have to say that as an endgame player now, and not the worst at playing, buffing enemies would be great.
But I would also have to say that as an F2P player going through T1 and T2 for months, T3 was taboo for the longest time for me. I was well on my way to 5* before I even attempted T3, because the change was so much more than T1 to T2. I was almost fully 5* before my very first Vanaduke run. Tell that to an F2Per now, they'll wonder how I ever got the crowns to make 5* gear.
After a few depths, I became used to it, and now T1/T2 are pathetically easy, but I don't think it's undertuned for the most part. I think it's under-tuned for, shall we call 'em, post-endgame players. That's kinda what Shadow Lairs are for. Unfortunately Shadow Lairs are out of reach for the vast majority of F2Pers, and other than for the fun we have little to no reason to waste 450 CE going there.
I have not done IQ or Darkfire Vanaduke, for reasons stated above, but I have done Rabid Snarbolax. I have to say that if IQ is as easy as Royal Jelly is relative to the other 2 bosses, IQ needs a buff...because Royal Jelly does as well. In terms of difficulty, snarbolax (Of course in the relevant gear) is more difficult than Royal Jelly, with Vanaduke being the most difficult. Royal Jelly was more difficult than Snarbolax, but they nerfed the poor thing.
There are no T1 enemies in D27 on FSC, that I recall. Some screenshots or a short video would be nice so we know what you're talking about.
Dreadnaught AI: Yes, it needs to be fixed and/or reworked...or even buffed. It's just kinda lame.
Wolvers...I do not think are fine, regardless of counter-arguments. They are pathetically easy, even easier than Slags, no matter which tier you're in. Tier 3 wolvers need to have Tracking put back on their bites. I also argue that they don't "swarm" players like Slags, since they only appear in packs...and fairly small packs at that. Maybe 4-6 wolvers per pack, 2 packs are the most you'll see at once even in a Wolver Den.
I understand tracking mechanics on wolvers were brutal for new players, esp. ones that didn't have Piercing Defences, but for T3, it needs to be put back in. These guys got nerfed too hard.
That said, they also need to be nerfed in some respect. While adding tracking in T3 is imo a must, they dodge every bullet you send their way. I wouldn't mind that except some players exclusively use bullets. They should have a (short) cooldown on their burrow ability.
Vanaduke is also not superbly easy, though he is with Shivermist and/or Blitz Needle(s). Shivermists in my opinion seemed like an exploit OOO didn't think of, and left it in the game knowing too many people would complain he was too hard if they removed it. Hence, DFV's resistance. Vanaduke would be better served being reworked rather than simply more powerful or less powerful. I mean really, his mask phases are more difficult than him even without shivermist or blitz needles.
~Sev
Wed, 03/06/2013 - 04:05
#6275
+1
Please buff T3-monsters!
>> Arkhus can't be buffed so much because will not affect the players who already passed him
unless you wanna become in some kind of boss, giving tokens when defeated... and come on, he is not maded to become boss, unless you change his history background, after all, he is killed by us
and in the end, even we asked why he became a outsider, or a Trojan, because i do not want to become a Trojan
>> Wolvers need buff because they lose the track ability, making it easy to avoid their attacks
partial track (some turn speed) on the target can be enough (no track on tier 1, partial track on tier 2-3, full track on sl version [on the first bite only])
>> about Vanaduke, we already have SL Vanaduke and his immunity against mist bombs
if you want "increase the difficult" against him, try nerf or modify any overpowered weapon in general, like charged Blitz or chaos set...
he is not weak, some weapons that make it easily defeasible
in general, the game has to be scaled at different levels of difficulty, so that beginners can learn about the game without big risks (tier 1) and that veterans have a place to test your skills to the limit (Shadow Lair), unless you wanna scare the newbies
remember: some veterans stopto play, because begin to feel bored with the game as they finished the missions, so the least the game should offer is a renewal of players
"from a Veteran SK player..." too (besides i never started one sl run yet =/)