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Fri, 03/08/2013 - 10:19
Pine-Fresh's picture
Pine-Fresh

I've been wondering what would be the best way to profit off of the Jelly King run, so I finally decided to do the math.

My assumptions:
1. The cost of 100 crystal energy = 7,500 crowns (a bit high, but I want to give the lowest amount of profits)
2. The lowest amount of earnings from the first two levels is about 2,000 crowns
3. The amount of crowns gained from the jelly king is equal to about 250 crowns (the lowest amount)
4. The amount of Jelly tokens earned per run is 3
5. 15 Jelly tokens can buy either a brute jelly shield, helm, or armor, which all sell for 3,500 crowns

First of all, let's say you wanted to do all the levels. That costs 30 energy, and gives you earnings of 2,250 crowns or greater. Assuming you do this 5 times (in order to get the armor, shield, or helm) and sell your armor, shield, or helm that you bought with the tokens, your earnings will be 14,750 crowns or more. Since doing five runs takes 150 energy, we multiply 1.5 by the cost of 100 crystal energy (about 7500 crowns) to get the total cost. This comes out to be 11,250 crowns. Subtract the total costs from the total income, and you wind up with a profit of 3,500 crowns or more.

Now, let's say you just wanted to do the first two levels. This costs 20 energy and gives you earnings of about 2,000 crowns or greater. Assuming you do this 7.5 times (just so that the energy cost will wind up being the same), your total income will be about 15,000 crowns. Subtract the total cost (as mentioned before), and you wind up with a profit of 3,750 crowns or more.

The benefit to doing just the two levels is that you don't have to do as many runs if you don't want to (you have to get 15 tokens to make doing all three stages worthwhile). However, doing three runs yields more heat and tokens (like primal sparks), and the Jelly King level takes less time than the other two levels.

Doing the first 2 stages:
Pros-- You do not have to do at least 15 stages to get a profit (If you do only 10 stages (which would amount to 5 runs) you would get about 10,000 crowns, which amounts to a profit of 2,500 crowns or more)
Cons-- You do not receive as much heat or as many tokens. It also takes more overall time than doing all 3 stages (last stage is short)
Profit-- 3,750 crowns or more per 5 runs (750 crowns + per run)

Doing all 3 stages:
Pros-- You have the choice of keeping the item you buy with tokens (if you wanted the armor, a sealed sword, etc.). You also get more heat and tokens (primal sparks).
Cons-- You have to do at least 5 runs (with 3 stages per run)
Profit-- 3,500 crowns or more per 5 runs

My Choice: I almost always do all three stages, because it yields more profits per energy and time.

Thanks to Misten and Chieurobese for more accurate info about crowns per level.

~ Cloudfall (alt. Pine-Fresh)

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 10:27
#1
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
:}

Now do Roar Twin Run.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 11:45
#2
Bopp's picture
Bopp
maybe I misunderstand

Maybe I misunderstand, but didn't you just show that doing just the first two levels gives more profit per energy than doing all three levels?

For example, using 60 energy you can run all three levels twice, for a profit of 2 * 4750 = 9500 crowns. Or you can run the first two levels three times, for a profit of 3 * 3750 = 11150 crowns?

In other words, doing all three levels uses 50% more energy than doing just the first two levels, but does not quite yield 50% more profit?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 12:26
#3
Pine-Fresh's picture
Pine-Fresh
@ Bopp

The total crowns gained for doing all three levels twice is 2*2,500 (not 4,750 which is the end profit after 5 full runs if you take energy cost into account) = 5,000 crowns.

The total crowns gained for doing the first 2 levels 3 times is 3*2000 (not 3750) = 6,000 crowns.

This is why when I weighed the pro's and con's I said that doing only the first two levels is better if you're not going to do at least 5 runs. However, if you do at least 5 runs you will get 15 tokens (if you do all 3 levels) which you can use to buy a brute jelly piece, which sells for 3,500 crowns.

Since profit = income - costs , the end profit for spending 150 energy (which is about 7,500 crowns) doing all 3 levels is about 4,750 crowns. The profit for spending 150 energy doing only the first 2 levels comes out to be about only 3,750 crowns.

Hope this helps

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 12:50
#4
Bopp's picture
Bopp
right

Right, I should have just redone the calculation myself. I did it long ago and came to the opposite conclusion, but maybe things have been rebalanced since then. 500 crowns from the Royal Jelly seems high to me, but it might be right.

First two levels: 2,000 crowns for 20 energy, so 1,000 crowns per 10 energy.

All three levels: 2,500 crowns plus 700 crowns from tokens (1/5 of a Brute Jelly Helm) makes 3,200 crowns for 30 energy, so about 1,067 crowns per 10 energy.

In addition, doing the final level probably nets you some Primal Sparks, which are worth 100 crowns each (because 100 of them are worth 10,000). Also, the final level gives a little heat. Also the final level may be fun (or not).

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 16:40
#5
Halandin's picture
Halandin
Regarding the worth of Primal

Regarding the worth of Primal Sparks, is that buying and vendoring a 5* trinket bought with them?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 17:40
#6
Pine-Fresh's picture
Pine-Fresh
@ Halandin

Yes

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:33
#7
Halandin's picture
Halandin
@Fall: Thanks! I now have

@Fall: Thanks! I now have enough cr for my first 5* shield. :)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:56
#8
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Halandin

No. You made a bad decision.

You buy 5 star trinkets for 100 tokens and vendor them for 10,000cr.
That's 100cr per Forge Spark.

You buy Plasma Cells for 20 tokens and Auction House them for 3,000-5,000cr.
That's 150-250 cr per Forge Spark.
There are a few other good materials, but this is one of the best two.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:44
#9
Bopp's picture
Bopp
no Forge Sparks in RJP

We were talking about Primal Sparks, not Forge Sparks. Still, Hexzyle's principle is right: Keep your eyes open for lucrative materials from boss tokens.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:08
#10
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

To-day I realized that I'd done jelly king almost 300 times. Maybe more. I feel sad for myself.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:39
#11
Halandin's picture
Halandin
@Hexzyle: Thanks for the tip!

@Hexzyle: Thanks for the tip! I'll make sure to check the Auction House for my future use of sparks. I've only bought a few things that I needed for recipes before, I just needed some quick cash for crafting at the moment.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:27
#12
Misten's picture
Misten
@TC

@TC

I don't believe that your assumption no3 is correct. From my experience, the cr gain from JK average about 200+ only, not 500 minimal which will reverse your conclusion by your calculations.

However, i generally support killing JK because the primal tokens from the boxes and the chance to get equip drops are worthy enough for me to do the JK level.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:03
#13
Chieurobese
You had a great idea to look

You had a great idea to look for the JK run profits, but there are some things wrong:

- JK gives about 300cr (i would say 250-450cr)

- u get 2150-2400cr from the 2 first depths with 3 or 4 player

- 2100-2250cr with 2 players

- 2000-2200cr alone

- u have many chances to get primal sparks with the two first depths (1 p spark AT LEAST if u get the 4 keys), and the same for JK

Also, if ur alone or two player, its a bit difficult to kill JK without reviving.
The two fist depths can be done alone if ur good enough, take the time and have 3* weapons.

So i recommand to do the first depths with two player (you don't wait for 4 players, ennemis are easyer to kill, more crowns and heat) to get the best profits cr/energy. also for cr/time

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 07:17
#14
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
my 2 cents

You are all wrong

The most profitable WAS buying Antigua and unbinding it for 600 CE (500 ce and 100 mist) and reselling it for 90k cr. Even at 9k cr for 100 ce, you still make profit. You can still do it but it ain't gonna pay much...

A lot of people found this method couple months ago so the market kinda crashed... Went from 90k cr (when ce was @ 6.4k cr in November) to 60-70k cr in a week...

I go for materials now since we're building statue... But even if we don't pour Antigua in the market anymore, they are still dirt cheap

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 09:56
#15
Pine-Fresh's picture
Pine-Fresh
Sorry if some of my

Sorry if some of my assumptions are wrong (I guess I overestimated the crowns gained from the JK)

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:50
#16
Adamosaur's picture
Adamosaur
More numbers!!

I recently posted my information to answer another OPs question, but it applies here. Forgive my numbers. I'll simplify it as I can:
The price of the trading is 75:1 for ce, but the market itself is still around 72cr:1ce ration, so I'm using the market rate.

These calculations assume that the general ratio of the ce market as 72cr:1ce (though it's fluctuating between 71-73 recently).

So this assumes that you either have an elevator pass or are using mist for the depths. I'll detail later.

I have been recording my total money gained from doing each boss (FSC,Twins,JK) and have compiled some data. Note that the listed total crowns earned is based on doing the entire level (mission) including killing all possible enemies including bosses and destroying every torch/plant in each level/run (does not include minerals, token, or mat values though, yet).

Here is for Jelly King:
2524cr, 2620cr, 2557cr, 2369cr, 2603cr, 2769cr, 2598cr, 2267cr, 2941cr, 3061cr, 2327cr, 2387cr, 2612cr, 2550cr, 2884cr, 2363cr, 2565cr, 3174cr, 2653cr, 2626cr, 3078cr, 2703cr, 2671cr, 2577cr, 2660cr, 2366cr, 2365cr, 2580cr, 2456cr, 2747cr, 2395cr, 2648cr, 2655cr, 2565cr, 2672cr, 2895cr, 2664cr, 2585cr, 2693cr, 2458cr, 2648cr, 2517cr, 2454cr (n=43)

Average income of crowns: Jelly = 2616cr
With tokens, you gain 3-4 Jelly Gems depending on luck. For simplicity we'll just say you get 3 of each per run.

JK:
Note that the unbinding fee for the sealed sword or antigua (3star) is 600ce. This is about 43200 crowns (600x72) in the current market. It takes 20 Jelly gem tokens to trade for either of these weapons, that is 7 JK runs given you get 3 each time to get 20 tokens for the trade. Sealed swords tend to sell for 40-80k crowns (with no UVs) with antiguas selling for 40-70k crowns. Given you could sell a sealed sword for a total profit of 60k crowns, you would be making a total profit of 16800 crowns (profit - unbind price). Because it takes 7 JK runs to get this profit, each run (3 tokens) would be worth 2400crowns (16800 / 7). Therefore the total income per run of JK would be 2616 crowns + 3 tokens worth 800 crowns each. So total eventual income would be 5016cr.

Results:
JK = 5016cr per run

I don't include the selling/gaining of primal sparks as that is quite relative. I'll do more research and followup given more results.

I also have a comparison of JK to Vana to Twins if you want that information (to compare which boss is the best choice fiscally)?

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 00:05
#17
Obamaphone's picture
Obamaphone
IMO

Do the first fl only u get full heat, aprox. 800-1200cr per run and it only takes about 7 minutes . The second level takes much more time for the cr so it is not worth doing. The profits from selling the mats for tokens are minimal nowadays and you are talking another 16-20 minutes added to you profit per hr.
You can successfully gain 7-9k per hr. if you have an elevator pass the profits are higher. Much more than any other boss or level including vana.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 00:31
#18
Adamosaur's picture
Adamosaur
But...but....

Vana gets almost 11k per run and finishing vana within an hour is not a challenge.

Vana:
3 vana tokens is worth 1000crowns each because you can spend 30 tokens for a 5star ancient item, and then sell that item to any vendor (Basil) for 30k crowns. 30 tokens = 30k crowns, so each token is worth 1000crowns minimum (excluding trading 40 for FOV then unbind + sell but that's a different venture). So to total, in an average vana run, you would get 7881 crowns + 3 tokens worth 3k cr each. So total eventual income would be 10881 crowns per average vana run start to finish.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 01:14
#19
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
With Primal Sparks, I believe

With Primal Sparks, I believe its Drake Scales and Dragon Scales (sometimes) that reel in the crowns, 200cr per Primal on average, depending on supply and demand.

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