we've already been over this

Same as there, I won't discuss this any more (it's all related). And despite everything I and others wrote, the most well reasoned answer to that then and even now is by x3ntaro
"If OOO thinks its bad, they will remove this in the coming patches. End of story, all done here."

I think it's appropriate, when the forum rules even say that you should do some research before making a repeated thread. Also, my opinion is in the thread he posted, lol.

Edit: Getting rid of ports to Basil will NOT clean up trade chat. At all. I have literally sat in trade chat for an hour without seeing a single port to Basil. But I have seen about a hundred "WTS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Shards!!! >>>>>>>>>> Blue Shards!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> Other mats!!!!! PST!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!" Quite frankly, I'm tired of people getting so butthurt over ports to Basil, when it's not an issue at all. And what about friends/guilds? You'd only be hurting them. I can think of at least one situation where the 4k would be a hassle, too (it happened to me today, even!).

A newer player befriended one of my friends, and requested to go to Jelly King with us. But they only had enough energy for the last 4 levels, so they would receive the invite at Basil. You see, I wasn't their friend, but I was the party leader, so I had no choice but to send an invite. That would have cost me 4k, that I would NOT have been getting back. And what if I didn't have 4k to just throw at the wind? :/

Seems like the only way around that would have been to add the person to my friends so they could just join me. But if you stop being able to just port to Basil altogether, they'd either have to be invited on the level before or after Basil, without getting to see recipes that they may or may not have been interested in. Also, I don't like having people I don't know on my friends list, I don't know about you, but it would just be really tedious to have to add them, invite them, then defriend them.

EDIT #2:
I'm very disappoint in you.
"I see your point but i have to say they aren't broken. Who wants to run the 1st 3 floors anyway :) But the teleports will definitely extend how long i play this game.

Also, i think some of the recipes would be TOO rare w/out teleports. Although, as a recipe reseller i do get tired of ports to basil lol."

Sound familiar? Way to be a hypocrite. :/

Edit #3: I thought that your posts later in that thread were being facetious, tbh, as you sounded REALLY aggro over nothing, suddenly. Apparently I was wrong. Point still stands that it was completely unnecessary for you to make this thread though.

Several comments to various things in this thread:

I think it's appropriate, when the forum rules even say that you should do some research before making a repeated thread.
If OOO wants us to use the forums as a research tool, they will need to *GREATLY* improve the quality of forum software that they use. Until then, I can't really blame people for posting duplicate topics

That said, this subject really should be in Suggestions, rather than General.

"If OOO thinks its bad, they will remove this in the coming patches. End of story, all done here."
That is a horrible argument. The purpose of the of the forums is to discuss things, and let OOO understand things from a player's perspective. Things change over time, and people come up with clearer/more convincing arguments for/against things.

{...} requested to go to Jelly King with us. But they only had enough energy for the last 4 levels, so they would receive the invite at Basil.
This wouldn't have been a problem, just invite them at the start of the next floor below Basil.

My opinion: Plugging the hole of inviting people to basil wouldn't do much. Resellers would just bring up recipes and sell them, or people who need them would ask friends that make it to basil to buy them. The ability to get items before you can reach basil isn't limited to recipes, you can also have people craft them for you too. This restriction/challenge was an interesting idea, but badly thought through and badly implemented. OOO would need to do a huge number of changes to really plug the hole.

It's an MMORPG. Of course people are going to bypass things and skip levels for the sake of optimizing, and buy what equipment they can from other players. In fact, I'd say that is the hallmark of such games- you can take your time and be left in the dust, or you can be 'competitive' and wheel and deal to get top tier gear as fast as you can. Some games attempt to restrict this by having level requirements for equipment and such, but Spiral Knights basically encourages it through the buying of CE (a game currency) with real money.

@ Kalielle: Thank you for existing. And actually thinking about more than just trying to profit.

@ wrs1864 : I did a search for this topic just fine. Also, sometimes just looking at the forum first will do the trick. I saw three different versions of this exact thread on the first page. There is no excuse, don't blame the software. Yes, it's not that optimized. But if you use half-decent keywords, you'd be surprised what kind of relevant results you'll get.

Also- without getting to see recipes that they may or may not have been interested in. Why are you trying to penalize a "friend" for wanting to join you? What if they wanted a recipe that that particular Basil had, that I wanted as well? Because I know your argument is going to be "Well, if they really wanted it, you could have just bought it for them!" But if you want it for yourself, you're not going to be able to get it for them. And what if you simply don't have the funding to buy them a recipe, regardless of if you want it too? What if you wanted a different recipe, so you dropped all your crowns on it? Sure, they could just mail you the 15k or whatever, and you can mail them the recipe. But doesn't that just seem a tad more tedious than simply sending them an invite so they can buy it for themselves?

And what happens when the level after Basil happens to be a treasure vault? They can't join you at that point, AND they miss out on potentially getting forge/grim sparks.

There are several instances where getting rid of Basil ports is just a huuuuuge pain in the neck. And the only people it seems to be "hurting" are those who think reselling recipes for profit is a more legitimate profession. "Oh, the fact that we bought a recipe from Basil to come back and sell it in town makes us better than people who just sit around in a Basil terminal all day!" "Our spam in trade chat is actually justified because we had to pay for this recipe!"

I'm quite tired of this malarky. And as someone pointed out somewhere, the people selling ports are actually helping the economy by providing a virtually unlimited crown sink.

If you are that burnt up about people selling ports you could always just buy their port, go solo, and then start selling ports of your own for less or giving them away to ensure that they don't get anything out of it!

Port sellers are helping Three Rings too, because often time people who port to Basil are like "Hang on, I gotta sell energy to get the crowns to buy the recipe lol" and that means more energy sales in general (which also helps the economy of the game, BTW!).

Word. Basil doesn't accept CE as payment, thereby making people dump energy into the market for crowns. More energy dumping, the price goes down, and as far as I'm concerned, everybody wins. Except the people trying to game the energy market, possibly.

People who make suggestions based on personal butthurt are funny.

Economically, Basil ports are a fantastic idea. Thematically, Basil ports are a fantastic idea. Socially, Basil ports are a fantastic idea.

The only people who dislike Basil ports are whiny little jerkwads that want to be able to crank out a massive inflation on reselling recipes, but are getting out-competed by Basil port sellers who offer infinitely more without the jackassery.

This thread is a solution looking for a problem...

And how does every other discussion turn into a debate over what's good/bad for the economy :P sheesh.

How is stating facts idiocy? I'm pretty sure you're mentally handicapped at this point. Why don't you grow up? Would you rather I bold things for emphasis? Or how about italicize? You're getting really butthurt over the truth now, and that makes you seem like you're not even 12 yet.

""I've ONLY seen ports advertised for 2-3k. I've even seen people offering ports for FREE. :/ Occasionally I'll see people wanting to sell them for 5k."

I stopped reading after this line of idiocy. I think this sums up all of your arguments nicely."

What the Christ? This isn't even taken out of context, it's your entire post and I don't even, I can't even.

I think I see where you're coming from, by the wording that sentence is contradictory, but it took me a bit to catch it - maybe because I'm not intent on nit-picking someone's wording. Even so, you didn't really say anything at all with your post. No statement was made with your words - just an attempt to exploit one's slip-up to try to discredit them. Seems to me that you're frustrated, defensive, and trying to take potshots because people disagree with you, and have good reasons for it.

All of this talk about restricting invites on Basil Ports is only trying to hurt the common playerbase, people who want to play with their friends and guildies.