Spiral Knights - Some AH suggestions.

Some AH suggestions.

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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 08:09

Feyi-Feyi

Hi everyone,

I've been trading a lot on the AH and I noticed some small changes could improve the workflow.

1) At the 'your auctions' tab: when you right click on an item in your inventory the option to search for it on the AH would be handy.
A speedy way to get a good estimate of the demand, price and availability of that item. I have to switch tabs and do a search for it now.

2) A way to sell your items at Bazaar price: some items you just can't get rid of on the AH. I dislike having to run to a different section of haven to do that.

If anyone doesn't agree or has something to add to this please do!

kind regards,

Feyi

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 12:10

Meat-Muncher

I don't see anything game-breaking about this idea, so why the hell not.

What also might be useful is being able to search items via alchemy path, so you can see what recipes, gear, and materials are available for a weapon's different alchemy paths. It would definitely be more helpful to new players, and it would make selecting and organizing your arsenal much easier.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 06:39

Mookie-Cookie

+0.5

I agree with 1. 2, on the other hand.. not so much.

Now, don't get me wrong; I hate having to change to a different place in Haven too, but you don't sell to the system.. via an auction. So, what would be good is to put kill those pesky borders, and have one big Haven. :D (yeah, yeah.. probably not the best idea).

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:01

Shotjeer

I agree with 1 as well

but bazaar prices are incredibly stupid. Really, a 1 star item for 3000 crowns? Get off!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:51

Meat-Muncher

@ Shotjeer

I think he meant selling items at bazaar prices, not buying them...

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:12

Joshmara

I agree with both.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 20:05

Feyi-Feyi

Your replies

Thank you all for the replies.

I think they split the haven parts up because it puts less strain on the server that way Master.
Not an expert though so who knows :)

I mostly posted these because they feel like modest changes that don't require major rewrites of anything.
We should really get someone familar with coding or a GM to enlighten this.

(while you're at it, the DA charge has been bugged for as long as i've been in game.. -hint hint-)

Feyi

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 22:06

Autofire

@OP

It technically hasn't been bugged. That's intentional. Before it you could back against a wall and spamspamspam with your CTR high DA.

GMs don't deal with code...that's the dev[eloper]'s job. GMs moderate and fill support requests.

Otherwise, I like it. Although with the second one, just find a guild (hall) that puts Vatel next to the AH. Problem solved. :P

Thu, 03/14/2013 - 19:51

Feyi-Feyi

@ Autofire

Hi,

I happen to have a CTR High DA -funny.
Very glad you pointed that out to me but it was wrong of me to change topic like that. (wanna keep it at my original suggestion)

I know about the Dev/GM split but I have no idea how to get in touch with Dev's..
Maybe you do?

As for the Vatel/AH advice: I actually really like the social aspect of the AH in Haven.
Despite all the beggars and spammers there is occasionally a good story or a laugh to be found there :)

Feyi

Thu, 03/14/2013 - 20:32

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Well...I could suggest the Support Portal and then Contact Support from there. (In the top left box) Make sure you log in (you'll have to log in again) and chose General Inquiries from the drop down. That's probably the closest you can get to contacting the Devs, though the GMs will probably answer. Depending on how you word it and what their policy is on this sort of thing, you may or may not get the answer you're looking for.

And yes, I do generally like to be in Haven instead of the GH unless I'm just checking how my auctions are doing. Then I use the GH because it loads faster. (My GH is pretty small; it only has one 2nd floor wing.)

Anyway, yeah I remember when the DA charge was changed. Why? The forum went up in flames. -_-

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 09:38

#10

Skyguarder

A big room! Very nice idea. But how about the arcade? The other problem is that when a Haven server lags and move into another room, you will get lag, no matter what. Then the server would crash and eventually, there would be bad issues that can cause the game to close. Let's not make a big room. You don't wnat Spiral knights to end.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 09:53

#11

Feyi-Feyi

@Skyguarder

The point you're making has more to do with lag and server problems (of which there are enough) than the actual concept of one big Haven.
People here are giving some creative input as to help the players, making their lives easier.

Loads on the server and crashing are OOO's and Sega's problem to solve frankly.
This is merely a thread to gather ideas about how the AH can be improved, implementation of those is up to Dev's.

Feyi

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 10:32

#12

Yukimare

i have to say +1 to all

i have to say +1 to all those

though i also have a segestion or two to add

1.) when there is a auction in progress and you are trying to obtain it via bids, and you suddenly get out-bided while in the clockworks (KILL THE JELLY KING WITH BOMBS WHILE WE ARE LOSING A AUCTION, WOO!!) allow a option to automaticly outbid that person up to a certian ammount, limited by the buy price (witch obvoiously, you should automaticly buy it, though conflict may arise should a bid result in multiple automatic buy-outs) and a certian price the player can personaly set up (kinda useable as a point where the player may proclaim they have given up on the auction and will stop trying to bid on it)

2.) allow us to automaticly set up how we want things sorted, while it's not a pain, i find it a tad annoying to constently go to "buy price" in the sort options so i can find the cheepest price for somthing i dont have and need ASAP

and... that's it for now i guess

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:18

#13

Mookie-Cookie

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@Skyguarder:
The issue the big room solves isn't lag. What it solves is practicality. I want to go to Haven, so I click that button. But! It takes me to go the section that I don't want, so I'm loading something I don't even need.. just to then move, to load what I needed in the first place.

A single Haven fixes that problem.

Honestly, I'm struggling to follow what you're saying...
The other problem is that when a Haven server lags and move into another room, you will get lag, no matter what.
What? Whether you're in the room or not, the server still processes the client information from anyone within every and all rooms. Just 'cause you aren't there, doesn't mean the server isn't handling it.

Then the server would crash and eventually, there would be bad issues that can cause the game to close.
If OOO threw out a version of Haven that had severe network problems, that's OOO's fault. Not the server. A single room means they're be a bit more data being sent for each player's information, for every client.

Add some distance checks and the like, and you can save some data without too much strain.

Yes, it DOES have problems; but multiple rooms has that horrible "oh, you wanted that room? let's load this room first". Another simple fix is adding an option for which area you want to load in, in Haven.. rather than just throw you into whatever one the game thinks you should go to.

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@Yukimare:
1) As much as I wish there was an ability to bid outside of the AH itself, it does break the AH in a way.

As in, if you go to an auction on a house, you don't show up, bid, go to the shops, get outbid at the shops, and bid again while you're still at the shops. If you want to focus on an auction, you should be at the AH. That horribly long "Long" time remaining needs to be split, in my opinion.

2) Exactly what is meant to be automatic? I'm not sure what it sorts by automatically, but what do you want to change?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:58

#14

Pinksnipe

@Shotjeer

F.Y.I., 2* items can be worth about 1,500 crowns(even with variants, which is amazing!)
P.S. 3,000 crowns is the price of a 1* weapon at the Bazaar.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 04:57

#15

Feyi-Feyi

@ all.

I have to agree that bidding from outside the AH would break the system a bit.
However: the easier and more fair fix imo is to replace 'short, medium, long,..' by an actual time and date.

Pery is of course right when (s)he says 2 star items can be worth more than their bazaar price at AH.
But I was talking about mats primarily: all the vana-run items for example, are pretty much worthless because everyone has them.
Selling them at the Bazaar is the only thing to do which some items.

Thank you for keeping my thread alive guys, maybe someone from OOO will notice it that way :)

Feyi

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 05:02

#16

Dragonuity

Also when you open your "my

Also when you open your "my recipes" section, there should be an option to pick which one you want, and the materials needed should be put at Buy price.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 07:19

#17

Mookie-Cookie

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Ironic, it costs 3k for a 1 star item from a vendor; but you only get 3.5k for a 3 star item when you sell it to them. Talk about cheap.

The short, medium, .. thing. it "seems" like a great idea; but it'll probably get stomped on. Why? Because it means people that better determine when to be there for a bidding war when it hits under 5 minutes. Ironically, that's what happens now; but it's harder for people to work out.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 08:57

#18

Feyi-Feyi

@ Masterofkings

Your comment wasn't totally clear for me.
You meant the people who can determine when to bid will dislike it?

I'm perfectly adept at guessing that (it still remains guessing) but my question is: does it really add anything to the game?
A simple timer works alike for both new players and veterans. You make a bid, you know exactly when to go and check if you're still the highest bidder.
You can start the bid war whenever you like, regardless of which system you prefer?

Feyi

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