I would like for someone to explain to me how with the proper poison, freeze, shock, stun UVs I can become immune to the status effect but with Fire MAX on my vog cap and Fire High on my Vog Coat I still have 4-5 seconds of burn time. Without those Fire UVs I had a 6 second burn time so basically what OOO is saying is that Fire MAX+HIGH=1sec burn time reduction? Can someone please explain this to me? Even better could OOO fix this nonsense?!?!
Fire Resistance is a joke?
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 16:20
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 16:41
#2
Fire has 2 attributes to consider duration and damage.
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 17:08
#3
It depends greatly on what is
It depends greatly on what is setting you on Fire. If you do get set on fire than the status resist helps determine the length and effect of the status. For example you will take more damage from Fire in Skolver than you would in Vog, even if the status time is the same.
Also... Lycheesoup's numbers are a bit off.
Max + High makes you immune to Minor status. (Status bombs being the most widely used; tested in LD repeatedly)
2 Max + Low makes you immune to Moderate status. (Wisps, Alchemers, Polaris, some environmental hazards; tested in C42, Ghost in the Machine, and LD repeatedly)
Strong status effects you can't become immune to, although you can resist a lot of the effect of them with the right gear.
Environmental hazard immunity is an iffy deal. It seems to depend greatly on the depth you are in.
~Gwen
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 17:32
#4
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actually both your numbers are off.
For minor status, it's 7 points (max + high) to be immune as striker/recon
6 points for guardian
9 points (2 max + low) for PvE
Not sure about moderate status resists, but wisps are minor status.
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 17:34
#5
FALCON PUNCH!
So you got set on fire by a slags fire breath is what I'm thinking. amirite?
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 17:37
#6
acshully all tree uv ur numbrz r rong
4 ∞ resiztense u kneed ∞ fier resizstense on bolth ur vog kub coate end capp
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 17:58
#7
@Flowchart
You're wrong too! (kind of)
You're right about being immune to minor. Whisps, however, do weak status and not minor. Weak is between minor and moderate, and are inflicted by toothpicks, Polaris and certain PvE sources.
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 03:29
#8
@Flowchart
Actually, you only need 5 points of resistance as Guardian. Max+low, or high+medium will be enough for immunity to status bombs. You will also be immune if a single piece of armor has max inherent resistance and a medium UV. I tested this last week after Retequizzle mentioned it in a forum post.
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 19:54
#9
To add to what Gwenyvier said on notable status inflictions,
Max+max+med grants you immunity to *some* status vents early on in the game.
Realistically, this is how I view most statuses when constructing loadouts:
Negative resistances
Makes the game incredibly punishing. I'm talking about getting OHKO'd by most attacks that deal fire/shock. Poison is annoying, but having negative poison resistance isn't so bad when fighting poisonous enemies. Freeze is also bad, but since your team mates can just free you, isn't such a big deal.
No resistances whatsoever
Makes the game somewhat punishing, but not so much. When you don't resist anything you're fighting (but aren't weak to them either) then you're likely to be 3-4 hit KO'd by shock/fire. This isn't such a big deal if you're decent at the game. It is usually worth giving up statuses to exist here with huge buffs (i.e. Very high global damage + Very high global charge time reduction)
Poison is about the same as before, being a pain but eh, and ice follows suit.
Some resistances
This gives your character a decent amount of resistance, and makes her take a few hits depending on your other resistances when fighting shock/fire status. This makes the game easily playable, provided you've got some sort of offensive buffs to follow suit... poison/ice are still exactly the same as they are when you've got negative resistances to them. This is because poison just doesn't do much and ice is broken by team mates/enemies.
Overkill
Max+max+high+high (or anywhere in that ballpark) resistance means that you don't have to worry about the status you're facing. This means a few things- that fire/shock aren't going to be any problem at all. But also that poison/ice aren't- ice is the big one here. Normally, if you get frozen with your shield broken and can't be helped, you're going to get screwed over big time regardless of whether you'd be saved in 3-4 seconds or 5-6 seconds. But if you're not able to be frozen? No damage. Poison isn't as big, but can be- not being poisoned means that you're able to deal more damage than you would otherwise be able to, while still putting yourself in thing's faces. Resisting ice/poison statuses also means that you'll be a bigger asset to your team.
So while fire and shock scale up a little bit when given immunity, ice and poison scale up a lot when given immunity.
And yes, this is an observation. You can probably disprove about half of it if you really want to with numbers, but this is what I kind of see happening.
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 20:34
#10
erm
so....
If I get a merc demo helm 5* with a shock max uv, and keep my shock max skolver coat, I will be polaris shock immune as recon, striker AND guardian?
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 21:50
#11
All this info is great but it
All this info is great but it seems to be about LD. I want to know why I am not fire immune in FSC!
Dom, 03/10/2013 - 21:57
#12
@Xxenohart
Fire immune to what?
All the information is in this thread for both LD and PvE, you just have to read it ^^
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 05:04
#13
Did not know the Guardian
Did not know the Guardian info, as I never play it. And I will freely admit I'm wrong on the other things people pointed out me being wrong on.
To add to Fehzor's bit on status vents; I know 2 Max + Med made you immune to the vents in the Winterfest mission in T2, I believe in T3 you were out of luck though. Just as an example.
For Xxenohart. FSC is Strata 6, it is as deep as you can get in the Clockworks currently, excluding Shadow Lairs. Most things deal out stronger status the farther you go down (see Fehzor's status vent remark). At that depth your status resist will make the fire damage you take significantly lower (maybe a bar of health if you don't shield it?) but the only thing you MIGHT be immune to is the Zombie Breath and the Oiler's oil slick. It is why dodging is more important than any amount of defense/resist. Dodging trumps everything, but the defense/resist is there for if you do get hit.
~Gwen
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 06:42
#14
Also note that rediculous
Also note that rediculous Fire Resist will severely decrease the chance you get ignited when touching shadow fire blocks and fire traps, even down to a point of about being ignited only every 2 - 3 touches
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 09:20
#15
HEY! man! HEY!
What would have happen if one had Max Fire (like you) AND Elemental Resistance Max?
i mean Fire is Elemental too.
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 09:34
#16
@Canine-Vladmir
Fire is not elemental. Fire is untype.
Although fire traps deal a hit of initial elemental damage, with a chance of dealing fire, same with shadow fire.
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 09:51
#17
Huh
i guess your right. So its normal... wait? how come i dont burn with Divine Set on? i get about 3 secs of fire and 1.5 pips of health taken?
Lun, 03/11/2013 - 10:36
#18
wiki
To learn about how fire works, just read the wiki pages "Status effect" and "Fire". Hint: Fire-resistant armor protects you against fire (while normal and elemental armors do not).
Jue, 03/14/2013 - 14:25
#19
I just did an FSC run with my
I just did an FSC run with my 3* armored Fused Demo armored character. I thought that fire was going to be a bigger problem than it was, but instead, compared to my fully vog fire res'd character with fire res trinkets, I just got 3-4+ seconds on the fire count, which corresponded to one or two more fire ticks, and each tick removed roughly the same amount of health as my fire res'd. Fire resistance really is a joke, and while its effects can be noted, compared to the resistance effects on other statuses, I wouldn't recommend investing in it other than for endgame optimization.
When you say "immune to status", it's important to consider the strength of the status.
So, your Vog set (which has 2 MAX! resists by default, and a MAX! and High resist) should protect your from many sources of fire - but sadly doesn't make you immune to Strong fire statuses. Unless I'm mistaken though, the damage you take from fire is greatly reduced and might be worthwhile comparing to someone without fire resist UVs.
Edit: Oops! I had my resist values wrong, thanks Gwen!