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Wed, 03/13/2013 - 07:32
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath

So, I went for using a Sword (Sword Master, bro) so I got the Sealed Sword (I plan to get the Divine Avenger).

This is my current stuff:

-Sword: Sealed Sword (Divine Avenger)
-Gun: Pulsar
-Bomb: None
-Yelm: Dusker Cap
-Armor: Dusker Coat
-Shield: Great Defender

I don't really know if that's a good set of stuff, or if it can be better. Do you think there's better stuff for me to replace those? I don't really care about the cost of the stuff. It's like, "I want to be a sword beast, everything offensive". But also I'd like recommendations on Shield, Bomb and maybe Gun?

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 07:53
#1
Fleet-Miss-Gun's picture
Fleet-Miss-Gun
Since you're a swordsman

Replace your shield with other shields like BTS or something, because almost all shields are better than cobalt shields.

Also talk on 5* terms because it's where you'll end up, unless you're big on T2 lockdown.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 08:10
#2
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Well, here the 5*

Well, here the 5* terms.

-Sword: Divine Avenger
-Gun: Polaris
-Bomb: None?
-Yelm: Snarbolax Cap (Maybe Skolver)
-Armor: Snarbolax Coat (Maybe Skolver)
-Shield: I have no idea which one should I pick.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 08:27
#3
Bopp's picture
Bopp
problem

The biggest problem is that your gun and your sword are both elemental. So you're weak against gremlins and beasts, and not great against slimes and fiends either. You need to coordinate your damage types. You might find my detailed sword guide useful. There is also a section on armor. Keep in mind that Snarbolax armor is hard to get.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 08:30
#4
Doctorspacebar's picture
Doctorspacebar
Node 53120 is credit to team

You can have more than one Sword, more than one Gun, and more than one Bomb.

As it stands, you only have Elemental damage from that loadout, which will make Gremlins and Beasts difficult. Either make your Sealed Sword into a Gran Faust to get some type coverage (its Shadow damage can hit Gremlins hard and do OK against Beasts), or make another weapon that doesn't have Elemental damage.

Also, be careful when using Polaris; you might knock an enemy into your fellow party member, and that is bad.

And don't immediately dismiss bombs. They can get pretty good.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 08:38
#5
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
"I want to be a sword beast,

"I want to be a sword beast, everything offensive"

Aha! The Chaos Set with Swiftstrike Buckler is for you! Place Elite Slash Module and Elite Quick Strike Module in your trinket slots...
There you go! ASI Ultra, DMG MAX, CTR MAX DA set!

By the way, the Chaos Set is the 5* version of Magic Set *wink*

Anyway, if you want to save your money and use your Dusker Set, I recommend you to have at least one piece of Vog Cub instead of Skolver/Snarbolax since Sealed Sword line requires some sort of speed buff due to its slow swing speed. Or you may just use Swiftsrike Buckler and Skolver/Snarbolax to gain ASI high+DMG VH.
Be aware that Snarbolax set can only be obtained by doing a Shadow Lair run, you may also buy them from Auction House but that's way too costly. So I guess you better get Skolver or Vog Cub before getting Snarbolax set because a Shadow Lair run is a bit too hard for a 4* player to do for their first time.

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As others said, you should get another damage type of weapons. I recommend you to get a Flourish if you are a sword man.
For bomb, Electron/Graviton Vortex can make DA kills more efficient. Many people like having Shivermist to freeze monsters, but the point of using DA is the knockback and the pulsar's point is the knockback too, so freeze status make them pointless.

Since you decided to make a slow sword, DA, you might want a fast gun rather than the pulsar line to hit switch or break blocks faster. So I would say that you should replace your pulsar with one of the Antigua line.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 10:04
#6
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
How to get Chaos Set? Well,

How to get Chaos Set? Well, the thing is that I already got the Avenger recipe learned, so I can't get rid of it. So, it's either a new sword? (And getting rid of Pulsar) I really want to use another weapon slot just for the bomb.

Imo, seems like the bomb will be the Graviton Vortex.

-Sword: Divine Avenger
-Gun: ?
-Bomb: Graviton Vortex
-Yelm: ?
-Armor: ?
-Shield: ?

Still thinking about the other stuff. So, Avenger is Elemental, so I need a non-elemental gun or sword. (Well, since i'm a sword user, I should pick a sword. lol) Then, still also thinking about the other stuff. Snarbolax shield like you said, it's hard to get.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 10:45
#7
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
Chaos set can be obtained by

Chaos set can be obtained by upgrading Magic Cloak/Magic hood.
It has negative fire/freeze/shock/poison/curse defense in exchange of having CTR Medium and DMG Medium UNIVERSAL offensive bonuses.

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I'd say
=Sword=
-Divine Avenger for sure, yep?
-Either Final Flourish or Barbarous Thorn Blade for piercing. They are the easiest thing to fight against fiends and beasts, also great in Lockdown (PvP content)

=Gun=
-Argent Peacemaker(upgraded version of Antigua, obtained by grinding JK and trade token)
-Sentenza (shadow version of AP). But I recommend AP as the targets you will use guns against are mostly turrets which are weak or neutral against elemental damage.
(-Polaris (you wouldn't want another slow weapon if you get DA. and knock back is enough with a DA, you don't need anymore knock back and the gun is not too friendly for a party if you don't know how to use it))
-Valiance (Normal damage and medium knock back, fast bullets and so-so damage output)

=Bomb=
-Graviton Vortex. Even though many people say that Electron Vortex is better(and i do too), if you dislike playing PvP games, it will be a pain to get the recipes. So Graviton Vortex is a wise choice for PvP-haters.
-Any mist bombs you would like. Id say "excluding shiver" for the reason above my last post.

=Helm=
-Chaos Cowl(MOST offensive helm in the game, it gives CTR+DMG Med on ALL weapons, not only swords, not only guns, not only bombs, EVERYTHING. but it has negative defensive status. skill can cover it though.)
-Vog Cub Cap(Fire and elemental defense are very worthy as you will grind Fire Storm Citadel in the future to get crowns and heat. and its Attack Speed Increased Medium bonus on sword is worthy too if you use a DA.)
-Skolver Cap (Piercing defense is the least important defense in PvE side, jellies and beasts aren't big fear for many people. but if you focus on Lockdown, there are many piercing damage sources so you may want to take this one. also if you don't care about DA's slow speed, you can use this skolver cap for its Damage medium bonus on swords to power up your DA.)
-Snarbolax Cap (fiends will be one of the most annoying monsters in this game; they deal shadow damage, so you may want to protect you from the threat from shadow fiends. this one is the shadow version of the skolver cap with less freeze resist for exchange to the same amount of poison resist. it is hard to gain because of the shadow lair)

=Armour=
Same as the helms

=Shields=
-Barbarous Thorn Shield aka Snarby Shield/BTS (nope, it is NOT hard to get. you DONT have to do shadow lairs to get this shield. you got confused, it seems like. many veteran sword man take this shield everywhere due to its sword damage medium bonus. literally everywhere, not only in piercing level, even shadow/elemental level or shadow lairs.)
-Swiftstrike Buckler aka SSB (it is only 3* shield. so it is a paper lol. you can only tank 1-3 hits with this shield in Tier 3. However, its UNIVERSAL ASI HIGH bonus is amazing. many veteran sword man/gunner/hybrid players take this shield almost everywhere too(not much in SL since its a paper lol). since you will need to have FULL 4*/5* to pass 2 of the Hall of Heroes missions, you will have to get another shield even if you like this shield. so it is worth getting BTS AND this shield.)

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Another option is to have Divine Veil+Skolver Coat. It looks amazing with DA (really, its divine knight lol). Also you will have spread defense for Normal/Piercing/elemental/Shadow damages and Freeze/Fire/Shock/Curse status effects, DMG bonus VH vs Fiends, and Medium sword damage bonus. since the set covers 3 most annoying status effects, fire, freeze, shock, and has 4 types of damage defenses, you can run any levels only with this set. which means you can save crowns for weapons and shields. then when you feel you have enough weapons, you can switch to other armour/helms like chaos.

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You can have up to 4 weapons by buying weapon slots. it is available at Kozma (press K button to browse her shop) or at Auction House for slightly cheaper than Kozma.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 11:12
#8
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
considerations.

if you are getting a sword, go for a piercing damage one or a normal damage one. first type is strongly recommended.
there are only 3 swords with piercing damage (5*): barbarous thorn blade, final flourish and furious flamberge. they are all similar, check the wiki for detail.
for the normal damage sword, go for leviathan or, if you really like slow swords, sudaruska. others are not recommended.
barabarous thorn shield has a very high demand, so it is hard to get, but you can be lucky with basil. if you want snarby gear, you must pass form there.
if you want chaos set, same as the shield.
if you want a gun, there are practically no piercing guns (or they need a buff). so you would like to get a valiance or a shadow gun (umbra driver or sentenza).

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 11:23
#9
Bopp's picture
Bopp
don't throw good money after bad

Thunder-The-Bright, there are four 5-star piercing swords; you left out Fearless Rigadoon. Blastcore, there is no particular reason to go for normal swords; just stick with piercing, elemental, and shadow.

Just because you already have the 3-star or 4-star version of something, that does not mean that it's too late to switch alchemy lines. More than half of the cost in making a 5-star item comes in the final upgrade from 4-star to 5-star. So you may think that you almost have a 5-star sword, but really you're much less than halfway there. In particular, don't do the final upgrade unless you're sure that you want it.

I recommend that you keep your Sealed Sword, but put off upgrading it. First get an elemental gun and a piercing sword (or shadow sword). Then upgrade your Sealed Sword to Divine Avenger.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 11:28
#10
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
you forgot to mention

you forgot to mention rigadoom. so its 4. but almost everyone chooses btb or ff.

blitz needle is a great piercing gun but it is not something you get first, yep
and i disagree with the shadow gun part. what if there was a turret you cant reach with your sword and it was an undead type turret? This is why your first gun is better to be elemental, or normal.

tbh i only had a needle shot, a shockburst brandish and a faust at first. and i had no problem with killing anything except bosses. you can really kill anything with any weapon and your party mate would be able to cover your weaknesses. get anything you like. just don't end up getting a winmillion or cautery sword lol. i'm only giving suggestions. choices are up to you. enjoy your stay in spiral knights.

-Calcium

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 15:01
#11
Hongers's picture
Hongers
For a sword you should get a

For a sword you should also get a toothpick, and I suggest you replace DA with an elemental brandish as it can easily out dps the DA.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 16:35
#12
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
So, how about this:-Sword:

So, how about this:

-Sword: Divine Avenger
-Gun: Argent Peacemaker
-Bomb: Graviton Vortex
-Helm: Vog Cub Cap
-Armor: Snarbolax Coat
-Shield: Barbarous Thorn Shield

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 19:47
#13
Feline-Grenadier's picture
Feline-Grenadier
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That might work. Vog Cub will be nice for some elemental, and snarbo will be good for shadow. It's only the piercing you need to worry about, but piercing monsters should be easy to kill with those weapons.

Thu, 03/14/2013 - 00:15
#14
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Maybe I could get another

Maybe I could get another weapon slot for piercing damage sword. All the other posts before mine appeared now. o_O

Thu, 03/14/2013 - 02:40
#15
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
looks okay

slot 1-Divine Avenger
slot 2-Argent Peacemaker
slot 3-Graviton Vortex
slot 4-Final Flourish/Barbarous Thorn Blade (There are 2 more with status effects but only a few people choose them because of low damage and low chance of inflicting status effects)
helm-Vog Cub Cap
armour-Snarbolax Coat
Shield-Barbarous Thorn Shield

Yep, should be okay. However, Snarbolax Coat is hard to get. You know what a Shadow Lair is? It is a Lair that is harder than Tier 3. Let's say it's a kind of "Tier 4". It is hard to complete without 5* set. For Veterans, they are not that hard but it will be your first time to go to Shadow Lair when you are getting Snarbolax Coat so you will die a lot with Ash Tail Coat 4*.

But with a good team, it can be very easy. "Good" means players who are skilled, it does not matter if they have 5* with fancy UVs. That does not make you skilled, it would help you make you skilled, but I have seen plenty of people with 5* -- some were with fancy UVs -- who are very bad and dies every second in other word "noobs".
Choose your team wisely. Don't just /shout in Haven "looking for Shadow Lair Team", I've seen plenty of case that the team of new player for snabolax set got full of 5* "noobs" in Haven. Make trustable friends who are 5*, and ask them to help you.

Also there are some factors that you could use:
-Amount of prestige: People with high prestige points usually have played this game long and have done SLs many times. However, sometimes it doesn't meant anything, of course. I have seen plenty of people with low prestige who are very skilled or the opposite, people with over 45k who suck at everything. It is just a factor you could use to choose people for SL.
-Guild: People who are in guilds that require you to pass tests to get in are usually (again) good. Yes yes again, I have seen plenty of people in minor guilds who are super good at fighting.
YES THEY ARE JUST A FACTOR YOU COULD USE.

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Anyway, it's just a loadout helping thread...not a SL team advice thread so I will stop. lol

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Thu, 03/14/2013 - 04:53
#16
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Shadow Lairs looks funny. But

Shadow Lairs looks funny. But you need to get a special key to get there? Aw. Even though, I don't think that the people I play with are that experienced. I haven't seen any experienced people yet. :(

Thu, 03/14/2013 - 15:29
#17
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
well you are only 3* now, you

well you are only 3* now, you haven't come half way through yet. just start thinking about it when you get your first 5* weapon...which takes a long time

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:33
#18
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
I'm doing vana as part 3* and

I'm doing vana as part 3* and 4*, die around 3 times per depth. lol

What about a Strike Needle instead of Argent Peacemaker?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:03
#19
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
By making Strike Needle, your

By making Strike Needle, your Vana runs will be 10 times easier. You can one shot kill Trojan with its charge at lvl10 and it will deal a lot more damage on Vanaduke than...AP or DA. However it takes long time to master, and you will die a lot until you get used to the immobile shot.

I think you should make Strike Needle, then Divine Avenger, then Argent Peacemaker.
You can keep SN/AP at 4* until you get DA. Because upgrading them just increases the damage (AP's charge changes but anyone rarely uses the charge) while DA's charge gets a lot better.

To tell the truth I kept 4* SN looooooong time lol. But there was no problem unless I was soloing Vanaduke, it took a bit long.

DA->Strike Needle->Silversix->Blitz needle->AP order should be okay.

If you make Strike Needle, Flourish' priority goes down but you should at least have the 4* since Wolvers are hard to hit with autogun line, and flourish is much easier. And Graviton Vortex' priority is the least, it is just a support bomb to kill enemies faster.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 16:47
#20
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
So, I've beaten Vanaduke with

So, I've beaten Vanaduke with a 2* gun, a 3* wolver set and a 4* Avenger. With 2 people. Hell, i'm a beast.

(Nothing to do with thread but) o:

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00
#21
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
I don't know if you did that

I don't know if you did that for challenge or you're just a Tier 2 person joining FSC to get some crowns. And I don't know if you died or the another person had blitz or something high DPS weapon.

I wouldn't know if you are a super pro who doesn't mind spending a long time to beat one Vanaduke for a good challenge or just a T2 person happened to be a beast until you write something more specific about that episode.

Edit: Nevermind, I didn't realise until now that you are the person who made this thread lol

I've beaten vanaduke with a Polaris and a Mega Magnus but i wouldn't want to do it again, it's just a waste of time.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:54
#22
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
I don't know which gun should

I don't know which gun should I go first. I have everything 4*. (Divine Avenger, Vog Cub Cap, Snarbolax Coat and Dark Thorn Shield, in 5* terms)

I'm still missing a gun. :(

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:13
#23
Bopp's picture
Bopp
just pick something, or come up with new questions?

I've already given you my best advice, to get an elemental gun with a piercing or shadow sword. But you don't want to take this advice, because you're wedded to your elemental sword.

Okay, since you don't want my best advice, here's another piece of advice. Are you going to try Firestorm Citadel a lot? Then get a Blitz Needle. The combination of Divine Avenger and Blitz Needle is very good for FSC.

We've given you just about as much help as we can on your question as posed. Either just pick a gun and try it out, or come up with some new questions. Good luck.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 15:27
#24
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Well, the choice is between

Well, the choice is between Blitz Needle and Argent Peacemaker. Blitz Needle is awesome for FSC runs, but it's hard to use it's charged attack due to not being able to do anything until it finishes shooting + reloading. And the Argent Peacemaker, haven't really seen it, it's also good, but it'll be a pain to kill horses with that.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 15:38
#25
Bopp's picture
Bopp
don't know why Argent

I don't know why you're considering Argent Peacemaker. Was this explained above? I haven't re-read the thread. Anyway, if I had already decided on Divine Avenger, then I would certainly choose Blitz Needle over Argent for my other weapon. To reiterate and clarify, here are the reasons:
* Choosing Argent would leave me with two elemental weapons, which is silly.
* Argent isn't even the best elemental gun.
* Blitz Needle is very powerful, especially in FSC.

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 16:37
#26
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
What instead if i go

What instead if i go Snarbolax Coat and Snarbolax Helm and I get those: Elite Quickstrike Module (Medium Sword Speed), Elite Slash Module (Medium Sword Bonus Damage)

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:21
#27
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart
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You'd be better off getting some fire/elemental resistance.. use one piece of Vog and you'll get that and ASI and then use another damage trinket instead.

Although you could use a BTS instead if maxing damage is your main priority, to free up a trinket slot for something else (you might want sword focus, depending on the weapon you use)

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:22
#28
Bopp's picture
Bopp
Shadow Lairs

Well, are you aware the Snarbolax armor can be crafted only in the Shadow Lairs? So either you survive that ordeal (not easy, even if you have 5-star stuff and a decent party) or you buy it from someone (insanely expensive and not very gratifying).

What "set" are you proposing? What's your shield? What are your weapons? It's hard to keep track of what's happening in this thread, from week to week. Catch us up.

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 21:59
#29
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
-Sword: Divine Avenger -Gun:

-Sword: Divine Avenger
-Gun: Blitz Needle
-Bomb: Graviton Vortex
-Helm: Snarbolax Cap (Or Vog Cub Cap)
-Armor: Snarbolax Coat
-Shield: Barbarous Thorn Shield

The only thing i've got is the Divine Avenger. I almost got the Barbarous Thorn Shield.

Yes, I'm aware. And I'm not going to lie, if you see me at "Royal Jelly" mission, I die a lot. You see me at Vana, I can do all the floors solo. (And even get to Vana phase 2). So, it's like i'm better at more difficult stuff, heh.

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The set i'm proposing is the one above. Instead of Vog Cub Cap I planned to add a Snarbolax Cap and then get the ASI from the Elite Quickstrike Module and then more sword damage bonus by getting Elite Slash Module.

So it would be a set with Medium attack speed increase for the Divine Avenger and, Sword Damage Bonus: Medium (x3), though i'm not sure how that would work.

Mon, 04/01/2013 - 08:46
#30
Bopp's picture
Bopp
great

That's a great set. Here are three minor points, that you should be aware of, but that need not preclude the set:

A. You'll be using Divine Avenger to take out gun puppies, which is not the easiest thing. Many people like elemental (or normal) guns so that they don't have to use swords on turrets. But I often use swords, and you can too.

B. DA has a long enough charge time that you may not be able to charge it into your own vortex. But maybe you'll be dropping vortices for teammates.

C. There is still the issue of how you're going to get Snarbolax armor, but apparently you're not worried about that, so forge ahead.

Mon, 04/01/2013 - 13:16
#31
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
Point B of Bopp

About that point B.
DA Charge+Vortex isn't as good as Brandish Charge+Vortex but DA Swing+Vortex is as good as DA Charge+Vortex. With ASI Medium you can swing 4 times while Vortex is sucking. Monsters are pretty much dead in solo play with the combo.
Here is the video of the DA+EV test I did a few mins ago. One with DA ASI Medium/DMG Max, one with DA CTR Medium/DMG Max. Both works quite well.
http://youtu.be/gyEoCcD4_Vg

P.S. I just realised, that I should've done the test with no DMG bonus. Well, too late, not gonna make another video again XD

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 23:12
#32
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
I could go like this:-Sword:

I could go like this:

-Sword: Divine Avenger (Damage = Maximum (Snarbolax Cap, Coat and Barbarous Thorn Shield); Attack Speed Increase = Medium (Elite Quickstrike Module), Charge Time Decrease = Medium (Elite Sword Focus Module))
-Gun: Blitz Needle
-Bomb: Graviton Vortex
-Helm: Snarbolax Cap
-Armor: Snarbolax Coat
-Shield: Barbarous Thorn Shield
-Module 1: Elite Quickstrike Module
-Module 2: Elite Sword Focus Module

In other words.

With the Snarbolax Coat & Cap I'll get Very High Sword Damage Increase, plus the Barbarous Thorn Shield I would be getting Maximum! Sword Damage Increase
Then to compensate slow attacking, I would get Elite Quickstrike Module to increase attack speed, which, I suppose, with the Maximum Sword Damage Increase it would make a good DPS.
And also, to compensate long load and to make it work fine with Graviton Vortex I could get Elite Sword Focus Module that Reduces the charge time by Medium.

What do you think?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 05:55
#33
Bopp's picture
Bopp
yes, do it already

Yes, you're talking about very powerful items, and they'll certainly work. Although I don't mean to suppress your enthusiastic discussion, my advice is simply to get this stuff and see how you like it. At some point you have to stop planning and just do it. Cheers.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 05:59
#34
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
It'll be around... 4,000 CE,

It'll be around... 4,000 CE, or even more to get all of that. Kewl.

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 15:13
#35
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
So I did Shadow Lair (Jelly

So I did Shadow Lair (Jelly was my first one). Wasn't that hard either (But annoying with those spikes...) Then the Ice Jelly was easy as cake, didn't took more than 3 minutes to kill.

Unknown Passage was annoying because of the end-less enemies.

But I got my Snarbolax Coat! :3

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 05:20
#36
Sandy-Knight's picture
Sandy-Knight
With my old alt...

I personally went with a Skolver/Vog mix, Leviathan Blade (to kill ALL the things at a similar speed and range) and would have got a BTS had I not instead discovered the wonders of the Ancient Plate Shield. As a sidearm, I also used a Cryo Driver for whatever ranged enemy was trying to kill me (turrets, Kats, Retrodes, etc.) and it worked wonders.

idk if that helps. Anyway.

If you're running FSC, the priorities for defence should be Fire, then Shadow, then Elemental, but don't forgo Normal.
For offence, it should be weapon damage/ASI for slow weapons, then gun CTR (especially if using a Needle), then family (Undead) damage buffs.

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 15:52
#37
Eclaium's picture
Eclaium
Congratulations for the

Congratulations for the Snarbolax Coat.
With the charge attack of DA, Unknown Passage can be very easy ^^ I prefer spamming Nitronome, or EV+Brandish with friends, though

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 19:42
#38
Dimbreath's picture
Dimbreath
Well, I need to get the

Well, I need to get the Charge Speed Reduction so it's more useful, though, the background music was cool :3

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