alright NJ, so dauntless will participate :)
Contact me IGN (Minimetaknight) Steam: DNT MiniMK, and you can also contact Grantgalitz.
-I'm looking forward to some good matches in the future as these rules will help give every1 a more equal chance at GvG.
I don't get why violent is in the name but I'd like to suggest a name that is, imo, more elegant, memorable and easier to refer to:
Rules Of Lockdown League
which we can refer to as ROLL
and I'm still pushing for a division that is a "No Rez ROLL"
What about the "End Violence In Lockdown!" agreement? >:)
Or maybe the friendlier sounding "Fair-Play Pact". For every Krogmo coin won half goes towards helping struggling newbies get the heart trinkets they desperately need to stop them from dying every 10 seconds.... *snap*....... *snap*
Or maybe U.L.D.L.R.F.P.G.T.L.T.P.N.A.H.A.G.T. (Universal Lock-Down League Rules For Pro Guilds That Like To Play Nice And Have A Good Time)
As officer of my guild, I would like to add my guild "Ominous". Please ask the Gm's (The-restless, Planet-devastation(Not online for a long time),Spongerino)
More solid matches were had today - few against Imperv, a few more against Rigorous. :o
@Ret --- Yes I heard good things from Imperv vs Eos for sure from both sides I did not get in contact with Rig players yet, but I am sure we had clean fights. Dauntless and a few other guilds really love this idea I cant wait to get them all playing GvG with us and other guilds.
@Mawa/Dutchy --- I really dont think the name matters so much Dogrock, myself and a few of our guildees were throwing ideas at each other until I asked Dog why not use the name Eos would have been named? He replied Violent Resolution....Yup and ta-da Violent Lockdown Resolution was created. Violent = lockdown always being violent and this is a resolution to well solve the GvG issues in Ld.
@Skyguarder -- I will try my best to get in contact with your guild masters please let me know for sure as well. Our goal is to have a whole guild follow these rules via GvG so if the upper-active-officers/gm's tell the guild about it or link this thread to them in the message of the day it really helps promote this idea within a guild, and overall will help keep up the clean fights.
@Updates --- Talking to 2 to 3 other guilds to join in many of them are interested, more guilds = hopefully more clean fights =)
I was merely addressing the issue. A lot of seemingly violent players are an indirect result of high latency or lag. On top of that, several players in this game insist on verbally abusing those with such issues when they themselves don't have them. The best solution to a cleaner environment would be to mute public chat or implement a ping tracker. You're not likely to laugh at a guy when public chats' muted or you see that particular guy delays by 0.5-1 seconds. If you do, then you should feel bad.
Spiral Apres Vente agree, fun is more important than win :)
I will be working this week to get a few other guilds to join so far this has been going well last week out of the Top 8 Leaderboards for Lockdown (I remove two spots for the guilds constantly playing with themselves) I would say 5 to 6 of them are part of VLR so great job!
Other news -- About 4 of us played tonight games were pretty fun etc. So keep up the clean fights I gained a lot of nice feedback from Rig and Solo Art as well.
Training --- If you guys ever want to train together or just fool around in Lockdown (Infinite matches) let me know I know Eos is down for that time to time.
@Saruyop --- I will update the original post 2moro morning adding SAV I am very happy you guys joined. I will be talking to 2 to 3 more guilds this week (I been a bit busy irl so it is a bit harder)
Side-note --- if you guys know any guilds that may be interested in joining into this feel free to ask them =)
<69
can you mail us the times cuase we will ned to play at 11 AM saturday/sunday GMT time zone ony time me n fodow are on sorry but our match at these times plz?
Our guild agrees with the rules, my decision. I shall personally deal with my guildmates who abuse these rules in gvg. The guildmasters to contact are Dreffbuilder, Tohlevi and Zan-Killer. And btw, Our guild doesn't have a team up yet but soon we shall if we get more 5* players and as I get my set working properly (The Dusky Doombringer, my cat costume basically)
Cheers everyone
P.S: <69
soli and I were talking, and we agreed that even 3 polaris might be a little too much if they decide to go full gunner or chaos or kat hat and spam the heck out of it. We were thinking maybe only polaris on bombers, but I don't know how that would work. if there's only 2 people allowed to carry polaris and they're only allowed to use it on bombers, I think that would be too much to ask for. Please try to brainstorm some ideas with me Nj ;)
OMG this took me forever to find!! 2nd page ._.
Anyways, you probably remember me as the stupid annoying spectator. We'll i'm back!
Earlier today, I spectated two matches you had with First Blood. The matches were exciting and fun, but there was this one thing I knew that must've ticked off the FB players. Echo of Silence had 3 haze bombers and three swordsmen. The main problem I saw with EoS's team were the three bombers.
These bombers all went guardian, which provided a handy dandy shield. During the match, I saw repeated occurences of EoS's team members casually walking up to a half-capped point with either their shield raised or a bomb charged and ready. When the bomber finally got onto the capture point, they nonchalantly placed a haze bomb down and either starts charging up again or raising their shield to block some attacks. When the haze bomb finally goes off, it scatters all members of the FB team. Well, these FB members weren't to be discouraged by a mere bomber! So they shoot some Valiance here, get a Sentenza clip there, and even a Blitz Needle (Nice Icegill). Most of the time, however, these attacks are shrugged off by Njthug and his group. Not only is this frustrating to the FB team, they have to stray away from the radius of the bomb, making it even harder for them to land proper hits. I'm not trying to hate on EoS's team by calling them skilless losers, nor am I saying what they're doing is bad. I think that having THREE bombers per team is quite absurd. It is extremely hard to penetrate through the Guardian shield and then get through layers of health, all the while panicking while your control point is being captured. My suggestion is that there should be a max of two bombers per team, regardless of their weapon choice. Also, if the opposing team is not using a Polaris (Get some love Supernova), the total number of bombers should be one. There can only be one be one bomber if the other team has NO Polaris users. Some people might argue that two bombers per game is too little, and I slightly agree with you. But a bomber cannot shrug off a Skolver clone THAT easily. Yes bombers need love, but I don't think this is the right way for it to be going.
Final Words-Tweak the VLR rules. I really like this idea and it's pretty cool but I just couldn't stand t watch people getting pushed off by a haze bomb. I'm sorry if I misunderstood something, I only bothered to read the three polaris and revive rule :).
FYI, when are you going to fix the invisible mist bombs??? When a mist bomb is being placed in your sight, it is clearly visible. However when a bomb is already placed and detonated, I can't see it??? Unless the gods are angry at me, I don't think I should randomly be shocked or frozen.
These bombers all went guardian, which provided a handy dandy shield.
Wrong. One of us was a recon.
I'm not going to start arguing about haze limit but you should've known by now that Enjay is the bomber and the thread owner.
/think Hmm? Will his dream come true?
@Eclaium Sorry about that, wasn't paying good attention I guess :(.
I'm not going to start arguing about haze limit but you should know that Njthug is THE bomber and THE thread owner.
Huh? I'm pretty sure I knew that Njthug was the haze bomber... am I being stupid now?
Yes, Njthug is the thread owner, and i'm merely trying to give him a suggestion. I don't know if he'll even consider it but i'm speaking my mind, which is telling me that those haze bombs were doing their job too well.
Yes, mini-huntrs are a pain to fight. I suggest that all bombers be banned so I don't need to bother changing loadouts every respawn to get immunity
dawg I want the rule to be only polaris on huntr and njthug. the rest you might be able to take without it ;)
First off added a few new guilds to the mix so that is a + ( Got told 2 to 3 more guilds may be joining soon)
@First Blood/Aeqs --- I spoke to Icegil and I am pretty sure he enjoyed the matches I do not know for the rest of Aeq's, but do keep in mind half or more of our team was Eu base playing on the US server. The matches we had may have been annoying towards these guilds, but they beat us all the time (usually a 10 to 20 point window) in my view all these matches were pretty fair. Now we can argue the whole if you dont have the right uv's, but Icegil, Rawrrawrawr (idk his name) defiantly made me their female dog most of the matches I was doing my job of being a stationary punching bag and a tease <69.
@Players giving rule input --- Thank you for this input, but these rules can change over time like I stated, but that will be decided by the majority of active guilds which are part of VLR (These guilds head officers, guild masters, or whoever else is in-charge of their GvG Ld Area) and we will look at if any of these rules will give an unfair advantage or destroy a certain class as well.
@Munuver -- Tweak your settings so you can always see haze bombs on the ground.
@Side-note -- the teams Eos uses majority of the time our the players we have on we have no designated GvG Teams today we got lucky and got stuck with 3 bombers 2morro we might get lucky and get stuck with all gunners. A few days back we had 1 striker on our team (Hadn) the rest of us were Guardians and Recons. Our play-style compared to most guilds tend to be a bit unorthodox.
@Guildmasters/Officers --- you guys know who you are let me know if you wish to add some changes in the rules I will summarize all the thoughts (Feel free to mail me in-game). Random-Sidenotes --- Rule 1 and 3 seem to be working out well. So far the games Eos have been a part of we noticed no one abusing the Polaris spam way 2 much some guilds had a few rule breakers, but that is due to the fact their guildees just did not understand the rules. Try to promote this topic to your guildees so they know wutsup =0
So further to our meeting this evening, the discussion trended towards limiting to 2 polaris users, and the general consensus was favorable.
Another item mentioned was limiting guard bombers to 2 per team. Not sure about that, but I don't have a huge issue with it overall. Perhaps a good idea would be to agree prior to playing the game on the amount of guard bombers allowed.
Thoughts?
@Munuver: I think it's perfectly reasonable to have 3 haze bomb guardians working with 3 strikers. Synergy. Teamwork. Demomen are credit to team. Demoknights, too.
What I'd like to see is Shard Squad dominating the GvG lockdown leaderboards using an awesome set of Zeddy's, Plate+Triglav+VV+GuardShield. (Not that alone on all 6 members, gunners would tear them up, but I've heard it's pretty effective.)
Ehhhh... this feels less like fair play and more like striker easy-mode to me. Speaking as a guardian bomber, I would say there are a number of big differences between bombers and polaris: we have neither the mobility, nor the range, nor the coverage, nor inflict the damage, of a large group of polaris spammers. 2+ guardians (whether all bombing or not) can be a pain for strikers if they are supporting each other well, but you're still talking about a rotation of one cap out of 3+ being denied while the rest of the team has to fight 4 vs. 6. And if the guardian bombers are split up, they can be easy pickings for a mob of strikers with guns, or for a single striker with the proper status resist... I mean, seriously, I don't make noise about mobs of strikers standing just outside the radius of my bombs and spamming me with AP to interrupt my charge, are we going to limit that too? ;)
@narf true. Bombing is a playstyle, and we should not limit the playstyle.
You could limit a bombers weapons, but that wouldn't be fair because many gvg players like myself have multiple haze resistant setups. skolver gives natural freeze res, shadowsun for poison, ancient plate for stun, merc for shock, vog for fire. Add uv's on those, and you can bypass 2-4 bombs. Annoying as heck for bombers.
@Feller
I don't use auto target myself, but really I don't get annoyed by it unless I'm toothpick combo'd with it, so maybe we could incorporate that rule in? :3
~Fodow - Dwarf Bunneh
As far as bombing goes, or even "guardbombers" since that seems to be a thing - 90% of strikers carry some sort of pistol nowadays (Valiance, AP, Sentenza, Polaris [if the last wasn't the case there wouldn't be a rule about it]) and in the right hands, any of those can delay a bomber from reaching a full charge long enough for the previous status bomb to dissipate and cause an opening, even 1vs1. And before someone comes in claiming that you cannot interrupt a player's charge time, that's only true once the weapon's been fully charged - the invincibility frames a player undergoes also pauses a certain amount of charge for the bomb (how much I think depends on the bomb though) which can throw off a good bomber's timing if they have it based on muscle memory or ear memory (listening for the charge indicator to ping if you have in-game volume turned on). I've played against enough bombers to know exactly how a majority of all the well-known ones function and that seems to be a pretty consistent trend.
On top of that, I know a lot of the higher-ups that involve themselves in GvG from various guilds all have at least one bomb set they can resist because of prior planning. So I disagree with the concept of restricting guardian bombers to two per team, because unlike the Polaris spam that you all have solved the issue to more or less, at least 6 of the teams I can think of that are involved in this VLR have the resources to counter most of the bomber issues being brought up. I won't prattle them off out of respect for their "competitive loadouts" or whatever, but do keep in mind that restricting guardians from bombing is like keeping a striker from swording or gunning as well - THAT is essentially giving LD training wheels in a competitive atmosphere, which we've already done enough of as is with these rules.
That's my two cents, and this'll also likely be the only post I make on this thread in direct response to rule discussion, since aside from what I hear through the grapevine from everyone else, I'm not particularly interested in the rules that are formulated aside from knowing what I shouldn't do in a GvG match.
Okay guys after talking it over with majority of the guilds involved in VLR these are the changes we added in the rules:
Rule #2 --- Only 2 Pulsar lines are allowed per team *We first had 3 now only 2*
Rule #4 --- New rule only allowing 2 guardian bombers per team.
Updates:
I talked to Aenigma, Old school, Avalon and love tiramisu this week they all might join in yay!!
I hate everyone in the VLR.....
Real players spam Polaris........
Your mom hates VLR, BBUUURRRRNNNEEDDD!!!!
OH YEAH BECAUSE BOMBERS AREN'T TOTALLY OBSOLETED BY GOOD UVs ONLY RICH PEOPLE CAN GET AND NO ONE CAN BEAT THEM BY SIMPLY SHOOTING THEIR SHIELD APART WITH A SENTENZA AND THEN DO THE SAME TO THEM AND YOU TOTALLY CAN'T SWITCH-SHOOT THEIR BUTTS SO HARD THEY DIE REALLY HARD AND THERE'S NOTHING TOTALLY OP ABOUT THE STRIKER CLASS AND GUARDIANS ARE REEEEEAAAAALLYYYYYY OVERPOWERED NOW THAT STRIKER'S ALWAYS BEEN OP AND RECON HAS GOTTEN BUGGED SO THEY'RE QUITE EQUAL TO STRIKERS ALTHOUGH IT'S A BUG SO THAT SHOULD BE FIXED.
IF ONE STARES AT CAPS LONG ENOUGH ONE GOES BLIND.
Gunslinger Priests would like to participate in this.
hurhruhurhur
you don't understand how people lockdown, or how we enjoy not being blinded by the pew pew pew of thousands of polaris?
@Unstable --- I would love to fight an all recon bomber team tbh easy win in my view! Wacky and myself feel the same bombers tend to be more defensive more you have the less offense you have on the map = pretty easy wins majority of the time.
@Laylla --- Omg this is why I love you...I am going to have my way with you later!! <69
@Fleet -- You can have a team of 6 recon bombers all good we are only capping Guardian bombers.
@Grug --- We will talk in-game for sure =) and get you guys situated
Hey Njthug, after discussing with my members, we have decided to join VLR.
@Silversray --- Thxs for joining I will update the list man and if you can let me know who I should write down for contact info =)
And I might not ever get my even more drastic wish of OOO making us use predefined sets. ;-;
Speaking for our guild "Love Tiramisu". We will join VLR.
Our 3 GMs u can contact are: Cpajama, Pattipawae and Xoxopanda.
:)
haha i jsut remembered our games we had even if was only 2 and that we won. we had fun playing you guys whish you lot coulda played some more but ohwell, i was thinking you should get ur team on play us again we just love beating the crap out of ya hehehehehe including Mr Hadn he is just.....
Updates --- Added Love Tiramisu to the list 15 guilds now very nice work lets try to get a bit more active in GvG now guys =)
This attitude is contageous. I find myself encouraging and sometimes screaming at the people spamming base and polaris in RLD if our team out matches the others.
And it's amazing how it works, you should try it.
"Hey, we're up 100 points and they're down one. Let them come out so we can have some fun at least"
It's the little things. People on your team will have more fun, and those in the locker room won't be condemed to just watch a wall polaris, or get slaughtered by 4 clones abusing the camera angle.
Carry this style to RLD, represent your guild!
Made some minor changes since guilds do change over time. Now that the cake event is pretty much over I am sure more of us will be up for GvG so lets get back to this guys and enjoy some clean fights <69.
Heck yeah.
It feels good backing off of the enemy base - show honor to the other team by letting them out to fight.
Those fights we had against EoS was probably the best ones i had since a long time. It was just full of fun, even losing is a pleasure with those rules. Good for the future of GvG !