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Paper (Origami) Series (This is new to me, so don't comment meanly! >.< PS: I write A LOT!)

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Sat, 04/06/2013 - 13:30
Duckbeak's picture
Duckbeak

So um... Hello Spiral-ers (that's a nice nick name!) I'm here because well this is a suggestion's file and I have a suggestion for a new sword and armor series!
This is like, my first time posting and I hope this will come true.
Well this is how I picture it:
~Origami style samurai armor and helmet. It could be white or a light peach, anything the people want :3 (2*-5* the higher the stars the more better or something like defense from shadow or elemental or pierce...
~2* Paper-cutter: A paper-sword that is somewhat crooked and bent, and will shoot 1 piece of paper (BAM BAM BAM :D) like projectiles (and it should have a recipe (1000 CR to buy, 400 CR and 50 CE to make and made of 50 frayed frabic and 2 miracloths, sorry if bad spelling >.<, and suggest some changes to recipe) Not sure if it will be normal or piercing? But most likely normal.
~3* Pinwheel or Crane or Paper-slicer (sucking names, I'm not really good at names DX): Probably the Paper-slicer will be normal if the Paper-cutter is and will have a recipe (depends on Paper-cutter again) and will shoot 2-3 pieces of paper. Pinwheel will probably look like a paper-spur or something different, but will shoot 3 origami pinwheels or ninja-star (NINJA STYLE O_O) that cause poison or something. Then the Crane will shoot projectiles only 1 but it's a crane that, like those dino-puppies-skeleton-thing will follow the enemy (or enemIES) and will explode into a bunch-o paper. The Pinwheel and Crane might be pierce and normal and the Paper-slicer might be normal (Pinwheel+Crane will be rare recipes and the Paper-slicer will be common like the Calibur series)
~4* Don't know the names so come up with something -_-. The 4* Paper-slicer (Ps) will have more projectiles maybe. The 4* Pinwheel (Pw) might have more ninja-stars that cause poison or something and will fly back like boomerangs. The Crane (...C?) will maybe have 2 cranes...
~5* I think you all know what's gonna happen: The Ps will have more damage and paper shooters, the Pw will have more shurikens (those a ninja-stars people :D) and go farther. The C might have 3 cranes and more explosive...explosion.

You know this series sound really dangerous so I think it will destroy the game and make LD more challenging so it might be hidden on any floor in any gate >:D (Duckbeak is EVIL!) But might be more common if Spiral has this kind of Chinese new year celebration!

~Oh and the Admins of Spiral...If you will have this series make this paint store where you can put and paper equipment into to change their color (white is original it can be changed into red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, etc only a few colors not like every color in the universe!) It can be free or charged (like maybe 1000 CR or 2000 or even 2500) Then in the shop you can change the status effect (Like poison to shock or something) for 5,000 CR. Plus to make the game more fun the shops are place hidden in secret caves in random missions (They are like the secret arenas, for maybe 5 energy or so)

So Spiral-ers hope you like this series and again...DON'T YELL AT ME CAUSE I'M NEW AT THE FORUM SECTION! You couls friend me or something but I need to meet you and play and have fun with you. I don't friend random people I didn't even meet in Spiral Knights. Well Enjoy.
(There might be pictures, I'm OK at drawing but I'll tell you later)

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 13:58
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Klipik's picture
Klipik

This is a bit hard to read, but from what I can make out, this is a sword that fires bullets. Why is it not a gun?

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 15:26
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Duckbeak's picture
Duckbeak
For Klipik

Well...That's a good idea. This is very long so I understand, but if you want a gun then: gun. Basically it's a paper and it is like a spur. But thanks for the idea XP

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 17:17
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Doctorspacebar
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Welcome to the Suggestions forum and to Spiral Knights.

First, I might want to warn you: don't ask admins to look at anything within a thread. They will anyway, and some people get really fussy about people who ask for admins to read something.

Now, in the future, you'll want to put a space between each paragraph, so it's easier to read. For example, put a space between one suggested item and another, to let people know, "Hey, I'm talking about something different now." Otherwise it ends up looking like a big wall of text.

You can also make text bold or italic, or post links, with html tags like these:

Remove the tildas (~ is a tilda) to use these!
<~strong>Bold Text!<~/strong> becomes Bold Text!
<~em>Italic Text?<~/em> becomes Italic Text?
<~a href="http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Electron_Vortex">Electron Vortex is the best weapon ever becomes Electron Vortex is the best weapon ever

So anywaaaay, on to your suggestions.

Origami Samurai Armor

A very original concept- I can't say this has been tried by anyone else.

Now, what would paper armor defend against? Not piercing damage. Spikes and fangs just poke through paper. In fact, I'd say it wouldn't have much in the way of defense in the first place- like, some normal, and some elemental, but less than the equivalent Spiral Demo and certainly lower than the Grey Feather armor's defenses. It also seems like it might be flammable, meaning it'd have a negative defense against Fire.

However, if it's getting crappy defense, we need to give it something good to make it worth using over some other set. So what are Samurai good with? Swords, duh. There were no guns in medieval Japan, and whoever heard of a Samurai bomber? However, Sword Damage is already taken by the Skolver and Snarbolax armor sets, and Sword Attack Speed is taken by the Vog Cub armor set. That leaves Charge Time Reduction, which is useful on a lot of swords, but we're gonna need more than that to justify any Fire weakness on this thing.

So let's try something else. What helps someone with charging up swords besides, of course, Charge Time Reduction? The most we can reasonably put that at is Medium, because with a level 10 Sword's innate Charge Time Reduction: Medium, you could get Max with just Medium on each piece. However, we could also stick Sword Damage: Low on all levels of the armor, and Movement Speed Increase: Low on the 5* set.

(2* Origami Helm -> 3* Mighty Origami Helm -> 4* Sensei Origami Helm -> 5* Shogun Origami Helm)
(2* Origami Mail -> 3* Mighty Origami Mail -> 4* Sensei Origami Mail -> 5* Shogun Origami Mail)

We'd give these relatively low Normal and Elemental Defense, and Fire weakness. (I really can't see paper giving resistance to any status effects.) In exchange for the terrible defenses, though, Origami Armor users get a Sword Damage Increase: Low and Sword Charge Time Reduction: Low on each piece of the 2*-4* sets. At 5*, it would increase to Sword Damage: Low, Sword Charge Time Reduction: Medium, and Movement Speed Increase: Low on each piece. This lets swordsmen fire off crazy powerful charge attacks one after the other while running around like lunatics. But they have to be careful or they die quick, especially in Fire levels.

Since you didn't really specify any attributes for the Origami Armor, I came up with some, but you'll have to come up with how the other weapons work.

Paper-Cutter

First, you really shouldn't have a two-star weapon made with a four-star material, and even five-star weapons aren't made with 50 of anything. Otherwise the costs are OK.

Anyway, on to the mechanics. The Paper-Cutter is a Sword that shoots a projectile. The Spur line already does this, though; you might want to come up with something different for it to do. Remember, you don't want it to be so bad that nobody would use it- but at the same time, you don't want it to be so good that everyone would use it. Strike a balance.

You'll also need to specify the amount of hits in the basic swing combo, as well as what the Charge Attack does. And yeah, Normal damage makes the most sense here. I assume the Paper-Slicer and its 4* and 5* variants will function mostly the same way as the Paper-Cutter will; might I suggest the names Paper-Shredder and Origamasamune for these variants?

Pinwheel

It sounds like it'd be better to make this a gun; while it's technically NOT a gun, it's mainly a ranged weapon. (I assumed it would look like, you know, a pinwheel; we already have a sword that shoots projectiles in the game.)

If so, how many shurikens does it fire with the regular "clip"? Does it fire all its Shurikens in one shot, or does it take a few clicks? Or maybe a bunch of clicks? And how about the Charge Attack? Does that fire more shurikens? More powerful Shurikens? There's a lot to think about involving this one.

As far as alchemy goes, it should probably get its own line instead of branching from the Paper-Cutter if it's a gun. I'd suggest 2* Pinwheel -> 3* Pointed Pinwheel -> 4* Particularly Pristine Pinwheel -> 5* Ponderously Perfect Pinwheel as the names of each.

Crane

And the Crane seems more like it should be a bomb to me. The Crane explodes. And we really don't need a sword that shoots bombs on the basic attack. Think about balance! Also, homing is a bit too easy; no Sword, Gun, or Bomb currently in the game homes in on the enemy, and for good reason. However, a bomb that moves could work.

Bombs are easy. Just say what the bomb does when you lay it down after charging it. For the Crane, I'd say an explosion slightly smaller than the Blast Bomb or Nitronome of the same level, with a little less damage- but the Crane moves a few spaces after it's laid down, in the direction the user's facing when it's laid down. But that's just my idea.

Again, I'd recommend another alchemy path; I'd suggest the names 2* Flying Crane -> 3* Whooping Crane -> 4* Mighty Crane -> 5* Grus Explosiva. (Grus is the genus cranes are classified in.)

Recolors and hidden drops

As far as hidden drops go, Origami Armor and Weapons should be no more likely to be found in a treasure chest than any other item. And not everyone will be using the Origami Armor or Weapons; if they get recolors, other weapons and armor should get recolors. (I'd personally love to have a blue Electron Vortex.)

Overall, it's got a great concept. The mechanics of the weapons could use some improvement, but then almost everyone's first suggestion could at least use improvement. (Heck, I suggested they add banner ads in-game to increase revenue, which I now recognize as a terrible idea.)

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 18:06
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Klipik

Paper armor is useless against piercing, you say? Then why did it exist in a time of mainly sword and arrow combat?

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 18:31
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Duckbeak
Thank you!!!

Doctorspacebar thanks for the info!
You have taught me well sensei *bow*
Again thanks for the help
PS: I love the Electron series! (whirlpool....BOOM!)
Thanks :3
Klipik: Do you like this at all or are you here to critisize? (Not to be mean just to know o_o)

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 19:16
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Klipik

The armor concept seems maybe interesting, but the weapons either don't fit into the game or are copies of other weapons.

Paper Slicer: looks like you wrapped a winmillion in newspaper and called it something else.

Pinwheel: multiple projectiles. sounds cool.

Crane: The homing thing is overpowered, so I'll ignore that. When you strip that off, what's left is a slow moving projectile that explodes when it reaches its target. That's essentially a Pulsar.

So +1 for pinwheel, -1 for Crane, and +.5 for PS as a winmillion reskin like scissor blades are for Levi.

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 19:25
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Doctorspacebar
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Whoa, really? Okay, Normal/Piercing, then. Still pretty flammable, though ;)

And I'm glad I could help, Duck. Hope to see you 'round!

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