Spiral Knights - Worst Status

Worst Status

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Sat, 04/06/2013 - 13:53

Heugo

Hello, I am trying to predict my first loadout. I am at the moment free to play to try this game out, and my least favorite status in tier 1 has been poison and shock.

Poison is a pain especially if you are going against the devils. You'll get swarmed and of course you could just use a pill, except poison is blocking healing and makes you unable to eliminate the swarm asap. It just isnt something I am comfortable with, having that mechanic be blocked out from use since I think its important being able to heal when swarmed.

And then shock it is just all in one, damaging, keeps you from doing stuff, and you are made immobile for some time making enemy hits easy to strike you.

so I am planning my gear around the worst status. Are any worse than poison or shock?

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 14:15

Alternate-Dragon

poison is the least... fire

poison is the least... fire and shock.

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 14:54

Little-Juances

The problem is you're getting hit and swarmed. You shouldn't end up like that on T1. Poison is almost non-existant and harmless on the whole game. Freeze could be annoying, but fire and shock will end up being more common.

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 20:09

Bopp

agree

Shock, then fire and freeze. Poison is common and it does hinder you, but it doesn't totally incapacitate you as shock and freeze do, and it doesn't totally kill you the way fire does.

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 21:08

Heugo

ok i agree maybe i

ok i agree maybe i exaggerated poison. Shock is still my worst enemy though.

I was reading in another thread that you cannot cap status resistance. Let's take the mercurial armor for example (or any other piece of armor that provided as much shock resistance as MErcurial does).

So if I cannot cap status resist, what would happen if I had Mercurial helm + armor + 2x wyrmwood bracelet. Would having the extra trinkets that resist shock reduce the amount of time shock lasts or reduce how often it is applied to me regardless of my armor choice?

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 21:32

Fehzor

Yes, shock is your worst enemy. Shock and fire. Poison/Ice don't matter half as much.

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 22:09

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

Everyone forgot about stun D:

Sat, 04/06/2013 - 22:19

Thinslayer

@Oatmonster

Ugh, no thanks for reminding me. xD

Stun is just downright nasty sometimes. First, it'll completely incapacitate you like shock (sometimes), and then it will slow you down so much that even zombies can catch up with you. Luckily, it's not very common, but, like I said, it's downright nasty when it hits.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 05:32

Heugo

So if I am wearing 2 pieces

So if I am wearing 2 pieces of mercurial armor, it would greatly reduce the chance that I Get shocked and how long shock will last. yes?

If I wore 2 pieces of mercurial armor as well as 2 wyrmwood bracelets, would it further reduce the chance I get shocked and how long it lasts? I heard that you cannot cap status resist, so I am curious.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 06:14

Bopp

"status immunity" threads

There have been many threads, over the years, trying to nail down the exact nature of status protections and immunities. I think that a thread is running right now, in fact. Search Google for "spiral knights status immunity", and read the threads.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 13:16

#10

Eclaium

Fire for me, I can run FSC

Fire for me, I can run FSC with negative fire resist but outside of FSC, fire with negative resist is the worst pain. burning to death doesnt feel nice
Shock is annoying, but I wouldn't mind having negative shock resist for some reason.
Freeze is meh when you are neutral to freeze or resisting to it but it becomes one of the worst if you have negative resist *cough* freeze lumber *cough*
Poison is the worst when combined with fire *cough* Compound 42*cough* but it still is okay
Stun is okay when you dont have a weapon charged but when you have autogun charged or something its so annoying

well i vote for fire>freeze>shock>poison>stun
Curse...what is it?

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 14:42

#11

Gravelord-Caste

I'd say Curse is the worst

I'd say Curse is the worst one, but because the most common method of getting cursed is (seemingly) through self-infliction, I'd say;

Shock>fire>stun>freeze>poison.

Shock'll do everything to you, and although the damage is blockable the spasms will leave you immobilised and vulnerable for a second. Fire will hurt bad, and shields won't help if you get hit. Stun may immobilize you, and it'll slow you down. As far as I'm aware, only Lumbers, and Vanaduke stun, maybe Trojans, some Greavers and (Overtimed?) Devilites. Enemies who freeze you may break you free again (You can still shield). Poison will be a pain, but it isn't crippling if you're healthy.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 17:17

#12

Eclaium

Do you know how it is like to

Do you know how it is like to get hit by freeze lumber while you're wearing chaos set and SSB, solo? Well....I'm just careless when I'm not in Danger missions/SL that's all ol

Maybe Curse can be the worst, I would love to wear full chaos set in UFSC as I do in normal FSC but if I happen to get curse I cannot do ANYTHING for 1 minute.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 16:34

#13

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

@Eclaium, How do you plan on getting cursed in FSC?

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 17:16

#14

Eclaium

Oh sorry I forgot to put UFSC between set and as LOL edited XD

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:38

#15

Fehzor

The thing about stun is that it isn't so bad either. Not to the point of needing to resist it. This is mostly because it is different- there are no "stun levels", but rather it acts as the default status sort of. So it's both uncommon and common- but it's usually manageable.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:19

#16

Sroell

Shock and fire for sure.

Shock. Shock shock shock. Because it hurts you and always interrupts. Then fire, because ow. Freeze doesn't bother me as much. Just shield and wait for something to hit you to break the ice. Then run...

Curse would really suck too, but I think I've only been cursed, like, twice, maybe three times. I am only T2 though...

And stun is annoying, but it's usually still pretty easy to dodge until you're back up to speed. (Except in arenas.)

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:00

#17

Shotjeer

Back online now

Shock is incredibly annoying, but I find that fire does more damage overall. Without fire resist, a T3 slag can take off half of your health from fire alone, not even including the initial damage.
For freeze vs stun, I hate freeze mmore, cuz you cant turn or move, and stun you can still wiggle around a little.
Poison Ive never had a problem with
Ive only been cursed like 2 times in PvE, and about 50 in PvP. Damn those GF users...Curse isnt that bad if youre careful, but if you get hit by phantom charge and youre using, say a DVS and that gets cursed, youre in a sticky situation.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:16

#18

Oboron

I absolutely HATE being

I absolutely HATE being shocked shock! You can't do anything basically whether in PvP or out and about in the clockworks.

Why do I hate shock so much? I'll gladly tell you.

You can't do your normal attack on the enemy cause the shock will interrupt your attack.

Trying to use a charge attack is also pointless because shock will interrupt the charge.

Trying to run is also pointless cause shock will even interrupt your movement.

Also, shock can damage your team mates as well, it can even give them the shock status and when you're low on health and your team mate who has been inflicted with shock status comes standing next to you...

But then again there is also Stun which I dislike the second most.

Stun was never really a problem for me, until Trojans and I had a little conversation which sometimes ended up with them knocking the senses out of me and leaving me stunned. But if you are new you shouldn't have to worry about stun yet

Always try to avoid yourself from getting cursed! Don't ask why!

Freeze might get on your nerves too as it just stops you from doing anything but it's nothing you have to worry about if you're in a helpful group.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 04:03

#19

Misten

You will never spread the

You will never spread the shock status to your teammates. At most damage them when nearby.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:04

#20

Zeddy

Poison stratum? Time to break out Mad Bomber and Ash of Agni!

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:30

#21

Sandy-Knight

To those who find any particular status effect worse than the others:

THEY'RE ALL BAD.
All the Status Effects were designed with slowing you down, dealing damage to you, setting you up for bigger attacks, or just generally being a pain (Poison). None of them were made for your benefit. (Sleep's a different question, but that was plainly BROKEN.)

All of them have ways to deal with them - for example, shielding with Freeze lets you escape without taking serious damage, and walking at right angles helps with Stun - except possibly Fire. Which is why it's in the endgame boss.

On a side note: Ways to deal with these statuses:

STUN: Either make monsters keep turning, or turtle (raise your shield and hope for the best). If you get hit by a bad stun attack, eg. the Mace, you're doomed to be hit again. Resign yourself to it, or use remedy caps.

POISON: Sit back and wait it off. It's not too serious.

SHOCK: Take cover behind blocks. Since Shock spasms are relatively regular, you can time them to when you have nothing with you about to murder you. Shielding stops you taking Shock damage in spasms. Stay away from teammates so you don't take away their health.

FREEZE: If in traps, wait it out; if frozen by bullets/monsters, raise your shield and wait for the next hit to break the Freeze. If you have no shield, you nincompoop, you're doomed.

FIRE: Remedy caps, Water balls, rapid healing if you have no Remedy caps. If you can't use any of these, go rambo into the nearest monster if you're going to die anyway, or get to an area where teammates can revive you.

CURSE: Wait it off, use shieldbumping. Get away from any turrets whatsoever. Kite lakabaws.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 15:17

#22

Fehzor

They're all bad, but resisting them does different things.

Resisting Stun: You aren't stunned as long. Since you can walk away, it takes quite a bit of stun resistance to make such a huge difference. Stun is also never really seen in mist form on whisps, making max+max+low not viable.

Resisting Poison: You aren't poisoned as long and you aren't as poisoned. But then, wouldn't you rather just be better at attacking or so? Like Zeddy said- status effects aren't hindered by poison.

Resisting Shock: You don't take as many shock ticks and they are less frequent. Much higher chance of getting away, less total damage taken.

Resisting Freeze: "Raise your shield and wait for the next hit to break the freeze." Which is exactly why freeze isn't nearly as bad as other things. Why bother resisting it when it just gets broken anyway in two seconds.

Resisting Fire: You take less damage. Period. Even if you remedy, you take a bit toward the start as you remedy or go for water or whatnot. The worst it does is break your sonic mode, but resisting it will still benefit you by keeping you alive when you do have health.

Resisting Curse: Buying weapon slots bring about more curse resistance than crafting curse resistant armor. Oh, and you know when you'll be cursed if you're using gran faust. Or just Faust, which outclasses gran faust with it's quick charge time. But even then- no guaranteed damage. In reality though, it's too rare to care about.

The general consensus is that the only two to worry about, that is, that resisting will increase the success of your tactics are shock and fire.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 23:56

#23

Wu-Wei

Shurrrk, no prublerrrm

Well, my OPINION is..

Shock is not really bad, just annoying. While you have the shock status, just keep your shield up and you do not take any damage from the status.

I would agree poison CAN be a threat.
1] It lowers your defense ?? (Is this true?)
2] It lowers your attack power by about 1 third
3] Unable to heal
4] Makes battles longer to finish

Fire.. meh. I rarely die from fire. I would like to see a poison themed FSC :D :D :D 30 zombies and 2 trojans on your tail, you poisoned, unable to 1-hit trojans with your Blitz because of lowered damage output. I see people with negative fire defense run FSC without much problem.

Freeze, I don't really see it as much of a threat, but then again I do not play PvP. If I am frozen I keep my shield up until I get hit, which unfreezes me, and then quickly get out of the way to a position where I can attack. Only thing to watch out for is greavers with freeze status.

Regarding armor/helmet:
1] Yes fire resist does help if you get the status alot.
2] Even with shock resist armor, shock themed arenas can be a pain. Reduction of the status timer does not help enough if puppies or polyps constantly shoot shock bullets/arrows at you, ust kill them as fast as possible.
2] Poison resist armor.. meh
3] Freeze resist.. I have not seen much use for it, except if you play PvP (Lockdown)

Shields:
Shields with the proper status resist makes things easier if you are a heavy shield user.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 01:00

#24

Kabal-Destroyer

Health change

They should change the health if you equip an amrour your normal health in 100 and it depends what armour are you wearing