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My thoughts on Shadow Lair armors

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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 18:46
Likal's picture
Likal

So, it's been on my mind for a while now, so I'm gonna just post some ponderings on the balance of the SL armors. In theory, these are the most difficult armors to get in the entire game, so its been bothering me why only a couple of them see common use other than as costumes.

Snarbolax Coat
The Shadow version of the most popular armor set in the game, Snarb coat is pretty much the poster child for SL armors here, although I do wonder if it would be as much of a must-have if Shadow armors in general didn't suck. Personally I find it odd that it provides only +2 status bonuses (even if it is for two different statuses), and I think it would be interesting if its +Dmg was changed to +CTR (so that all three Wolver armors provided a different type of bonus). But yeah, this is arguably one of the most popular armors in the game, since it provides decent defense bonuses (in an otherwise weak armor type), a powerful weapon bonus, and no status weaknesses.

Ice Queen Mail
While nothing outstanding, it provides solid Piercing defense, and is undeniably better than its counterpart, Royal Jelly Mail, since the Sleep status doesn't really exist anymore. While strong defensively, it does pretty much the same things as Skolver Coat, which provides the more sought-after damage bonus. My problem here isn't really with Ice Queen Mail itself, but with the Jelly set as a whole, since sleep doesn't exist and stun has to come from very specific monsters (none of which deal Piercing damage).

Mercurial Demo Suit
Small damage buff to bombs, decent armor bonus, no status weakness, and one of the only Movement bonuses in the game. I kind of wish it gave +CTR instead of +Dmg (to match the movement speed), but that's a small nitpick.

Heavenly Iron Armor
Full disclosure: I use this set, so I'm a little biased in wanting this to be better.
-4 Shock weakness in exchange for resistance to a status that barely exists in the game. WTF. The entire Angelic line is cursed with this problem, but Heavenly Iron has it the worst since it even loses the Poison resist that the rest of the set has. OOO, I don't know why you think Curse resist is such a big deal.

Almirian Crusader Armor
Again with Curse resist coming with weakness. Although this time it's only +2/-2, but I'm still a little perplexed as to why the Almirian shield resists fire but the armor is weak to it. And even if you do think that +2 Curse is equivalent to -2 Fire, this armor has no other qualities, redeeming or otherwise. Somehow fitting that the most boring SL armor is made from the most boring regular armor (Cobalt), but no SL armor should be boring, especially when it comes from the final SL boss.

Arcane Salamander Suit
The Salamander suits confuse me. They provide Elemental defense, but a damage bonus against Piercing enemies. And even if you count that as a wash, their resistances are plainly outclassed by the Grey Feather set. It's a shame, because I so badly want to like this set. If it provided a damage bonus against an elemental enemy (especially Gremlins), I'd be all over this.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 20:11
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Mung-Man
I want to post

Well I respect your thoughts I... Have absolutely nothing to say. *_*

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:48
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Zeddy

Every single aspect of Mercurial Demo is perfect and should not be touched. The +1 damage is there so that, when wearing the full set, you are capable of reaching max damage, max Ctr in combination with either a double max UV or a max CTR UV and two damage trinkets. It is also a perfect piece of armour for recon bombers in Lockdown, where any CTR would go wasted.

Speaking of Lockdown, it's possible that Almirian Crusader was geared for it. Which weapon do you see more in Lockdown; Gran Faust or Ash of Agni? Crusader offers lots of normal, shadow and curse protection which protects you from the one of the most common and powerful weapons in the mode. As a tradeoff, you're weak to a status nobody takes advantage of.

Ice Queen is the same. Piercing, Stun and Freeze are all large threats. Put a Shock UV or two on there somewhere and you're immune to the only three haze bombs people bother with as well as flourishes. Also worth noting is that, amongst knight weaponry, stun weapons are either normal or piercing.

Heavenly Iron is super gimped. They should make the shock resistance positive in trade for negative poison or something. I also agree about Arcane Salamander.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 02:35
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Likal
Re: Zeddy

Good call, I hadn't considered the armors' Lockdown connotations. Although I still say that OOO is severely overrating Curse resist, especially considering that, if you really want Curse resist and have Shadow Lair amounts of money to throw around, you can probably roll a Curse UV the same way as any other UV. And even without that, if you don't mind being weak to fire, Valkyrie Mail is a simpler option.

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