I had an idea to combine elements in weapons ex:dark/fire bombs, i think this would add an interesting addition to the weapons repertoire
Elemental Fusion Weapons
If you're talking about inventing our own weapons, that's a no-go. Things have to be balanced, otherwise some weapons will be ridiculously overpowered.
WE DON'T NEED MORE ELEMENTAL WEAPONS. I AM ONLY ASSUMING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MIXING BRANDISH A WITH BRANDISH B TO MAKE A BRANDISH THAT DOES BOTH A AND B'S STATUES EFFECTS DUE TO THE LACK OF FLIP FLOPPIN DETAILS; AND EVEN IF THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU MEANT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD FRACKIN HAPPEN.
(Personal attacks are against the terms of service) & noone asked u to comment.. to elaborate for example a bomb using half dark and half fire dmg can be spec'd cutting dmg in half for both elements would allow the weapon to be more balanced as well as giving players a broader range of attck for weaknesses, an example maybe elemental/piercing dmg might be more appropriate. as for the rest of you try constructive criticism instead of posting your negative unwanted opinions this is an IDEA just a thought nothing more try posting and have (people)putting your idea to shame just to feel like their opinion is superior when it really isnt
I'm going to assume you mean elemental/shadow as fire is a status effect, not a damage type
"prophet of [redacted]s, first of all your a jag off & noone asked u to comment"
/facepalm
No, you didn't ask him to comment. That's why you put a suggestion in the suggestions forums, so we could all blindly agree and nod our heads violently until the GMs come and see what a wonderful idea you have made and will implement it as-is immediately. >.< This is the suggestions forums. We take your ideas, and we try to make them better. If we don't like them, we say why. If you get defensive, then either a) you are immature or b) you know your suggestion is actually bad. I'm gonna go with A on this one. Oh, and by the way, no swearing please. That's how you get banned.
"bomb using half dark and half fire dmg"
If you actually think this can happen, you don't know how the game works. Fire is a status. "dark" as you call it, which is actually called "Shadow", is a damage type. Weapons do not deal "fire" damage, they deal Normal, Piercing, Shadow, or Elemental. Most fire weapons do elemental damage.
" negative unwanted opinions"
Negative unwanted opinions. Negative unwanted opinions. Okay then. I guess all you want is positive opinions? So if your idea has any flaws, we'll just not tell you about them? Because...? All of your ideas are perfect?
wiki.spiralknights.com
http://www.spiralknights.com/play.xhtml
Know how the game works before you start suggesting ideas for it. I can't give you a +1 or a -1, because your suggestion doesn't actually make sense. I can suggest something, though: Add more details. We like details.
Because the person who made it clearly doesn't know how to comment on any forum better then one made for CoD. Also you are not the first to get this idea, try using the forum search option. Also I did have constructive critism, I told you to add more detail as this is a suggestion forum not a "Thought" or "IDEA" forum. If you don't know how to make a suggestion I suggest you read the forum rules first as I am callin a GM censor soon and look for a "How to make a suggestion" thread ALSO with the search feature for this forum.
(Personal attacks are against the terms of service, as is the use of words which are filtered in-game. I've gone ahead and paraphrased this post below. - Hyp)
Why, good ladies and gentlemen, I must respectfully disagree with your arguments.
As we already said, if you weren't looking for criticism, you're in the wrong place. Maybe if you constructed a reasonable counter argument, we'd listen to you.
Oh wow, look. Another self entitled kid that thinks he's special enough to have everyone agree with him. If you looked back at your idea, then you'd see that you weren't being specific enough. You must be new here, and to the internet, if you can't take criticism stop foruming and gaming. Next time get a better argument then swearing, it makes you look like a complete idiot.
Kinda still waiting for you to explain your idea (because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever) instead of having a go at the commenters.
You still haven't explained.
Shadow(dark) is a damage type. Fire is a status.
If you never read the posts. Not trying to be condescending(because I never ranted like now)
And BTW: With your second post to me, i noticed "Elemental/Piercing"(which you never mentioned, which doesn't help).
You know that gun from Royal Jelly?
Used to be Piercing/Elemental or Piercing/Shadow.
Wasn't THAT effective. Really, weak to two, neutral/weak to 2, Strong(but not really effective) to 2?
I don't remember any links.
Also, RSS
Really, the only bomb that was Ele/pierce, yet was somehow effective. Not as much as if it was full ele, but before changes, it was useful due to range and CTR.
-->prophet, this last post is something i can work with, by far the only response with any substance i guess spending too much time in RL hasn't afforded me with enough knowledge of weapons in the game or just the game overall. in any case i guess ill take your word for it, im sure you play this game religiously like the rest of you which is unfortunate
^_^
Funny really, being rude doesn't help.
Dude. Read the ToS. Swearing is not allowed.
My post was tame compared to your first reply.
Bro tried this already people far to unimaginative and close minded no go got gun downed immediately
Well, you're doing a reasonably good job yourself. >.>
While I admit that certain people on this thread are being [redacted], your responses haven't exactly been polite either, even when people were trying to point stuff out in a reasonable fashion.
1. We had split specialised damage weapons once (Argent Peacemaker, Radiant Sun Shards, Sentenza).
In the case of the Antigua lines, they got revamped because the bonus from effective damage was less than the penalty from resisted damage. So, say you shot a Scuttlebot with an Argent Peacemaker - split elemental and piercing - then you would end up with less damage than if you'd just used an equivalent normal-damage weapon, because of the piercing part of the damage. They weren't really all that great most of the time.
In the case of the Radiant Sun Shards, it was because the mechanics were supposedly not bomb-like enough. People were using them to gib enemies in one shot through a peculiarity of the mechanics of the weapon, hitting them with 8 separate projectiles at once. (The dual damage type component had nothing to do with this.)
2. Status and damage are two completely separate beasts, as Prophet posted.
-OP comes up with undetailed suggestion
-OP is overly defensive about suggestion
-OP does not elaborate on suggestion
-OP acts like he is better than everyone else
-OP breaks ToS multiple times
Conclusion:
There's nothing left to be gained here.
Personal attacks and swearing on the forums are not acceptable behavior, and anyone who thinks old women can't insult people well has clearly not met my grandmother.
damn it!.. yall have gotten me so flustered ive spilled my milk im gonna log now and cry myself to sleep :*
OH NO, we need to call in a babysitter. cause this little toddler thinks he has big boy pants cause he can curse.
Yup.
Human or not, swearing doesn't help.
How off topic are we? You've also didn't awnser aureate.
Everyone, seriously, stop posting and let this get sent to the graveyard
The answer is, the OP needs to decide if he means combine damage types, or combine statuses. And then hopefully explain a little about how it would work.
@Devone: I shouldn't really be responding to you, because I know it's pointless. You've proven that you can't take criticism, and that you respond to perfectly reasonable comments with pointless insulting, swearing, and thinking you're better than everyone else here. We take this game seriously, that's why we post on these forums. It's fine if you want to post your "idea", just respect others, please. Just because we know more about the game than you (by your own admission), does not mean that we have no lives nor does it mean that you have the right to insult us.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1418
^Forum rules. You'll notice, if you read them, that swearing is under the "DO NOT" category, along with insulting other players. You want to keep swearing? You want to keep purposelessly insulting all of us? Fine by me. You're just begging to get banned. I said "there's nothing more to be gained here" because you have consistently proven that you are unable to provide more details about your suggestion, and because you have insulted, cursed out, and disrespected multiple members of this forum, including myself, for no good reason.
You'll probably read the first sentence of this and just post "herp derp u hav no lief i cuud do whats i want and i are betr den al uf yu gyz". To that, I say: If you actually care about this suggestion, then do what we recommended. Provide some more details, use the facts we're provided, make your suggestion better. That's the only way anyone will take this seriously. Then, maybe, something good can come of this.
If you really don't care, if you think we're all stupid, then leave. Nothing will happen, this thread will be left to die at the bottom of the pile, and all that will be lost is a little bit of your dignity and a little bit of our time. You have nothing to gain from responding the way you have, because at this point I think we've all lost what little respect we had for you. I know I have.
Actually, this is a game to me. It's just that so many other people here get bent out of shape sometimes, myself included. I think we can all say this community isn't exactly...noob friendly. From Dev's standpoint it can get a bit repetitive/annoying to have people shoot you down, but you did respond sort of, well drastically to the responders. Either way, fouls on each side. Sometimes, people jus take this game too seriously, which is good in it's own right, but it can get, dicey at times.
i do enjoy insulting those who choose to come at me with unnecessary rudeness, my idea has been proven invalid i have accepted defeat on that front but i will not lay down and be insulted for a suggestion. i place a high value on manners and respect for others and if your not down with that then expect me to rectify that (changing one letter does not constitute "not using filtered language). i am a reasonable person and i can admit when ive made a mistake.
I can accept that, but your previous posts beg to differ. So, improve the suggestion, or leave it?
@Gzilla: We just need to remember that not everyone who posts an idea for the 1000th time, knows that the idea has been suggested 999 other times. But I do think that it should be made clear, somewhere, that if your suggestion is extremely vague or gamebreaking it won't be considered.
im only you giving a taste of your own medicine.. there is nothing left to debate here
I'm pretty sure Waffle started off the whole immature thing, caps don't mean cruise control.
@ Devone, yeah, I think the best course of action here, would have been to apologize, and then try to clarify your previous statements. If you don't know how to explain it, then just leave it alone. otherwise, your just gonna be spoiling whatever thought you originally had with walls of text that no one wants to read....(I'm guilty of over clarifying my statements, and when I don't, people usually ask me to, which results in a wall of text lol.)
that said, try not to get offended by people over the internet. it's really easy for someone to sound condensending when they are trying to correct you, even if they aren't trying to be. It's perfectly fine to say "I didn't appreciate the way you skewed my words" if they misread what you were trying to say, but if you read over what you wrote, there is usually a little merit to their confusion. if they are insulting, rather then insulting them back, it's better to just say "I would appreciate it if were not so condensending", and that tells them they came off as rude in their last post. all the while, give them the benefit of a doubt, they probably weren't trying to be rude. plus, you won't get as defensive if you view it as just a simple disagreement.
as for your idea however, yeah, Elemental/Dark weapons would be very similar to neutral damage weapons, but more complicated. It has been done before with Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza, but they changed it due to it's inconsistency. I'd be more interested in seeing a Dark damage weapon that causes fire, or shock. I'd be even more interested them bringing back sleep status as a "thing that happens", and possibly make a super scary enemy trio that can cause sleep, poison, and fire.....yeah maybe not, that'd be awful...
I only wanted to start in caps to make it more clear with what the problem with the thread was in a more "How we really want to say it" fashion after so many "suggestion" threads being made lacking in those things.I guess it was uncalled for but in the end we really should just
abandon thread.
Waffle started it(Everyone else was reletivly calm), you replyed to everyone like, well, rude, and this caused a chain of events.
Unless you forgive and forget. And you start reading some of the posts that you ignored, and simply ranted at..
Dude, if there's nothing to discuss, graveyard this and leave. Because this is just you raging.
EDIT:
Hey there, folks. This got messy, didn't it? Please stick to discussing the actual ideas posted in this thread, without insulting the people coming up with the ideas.
"This idea is stupid and here's why I think that"- okay.
"This player is stupid" - not okay.
"This idea is genius!" - okay.
"This player is brilliant!" - okay and, well, duh, of course they are, they're playing Spiral Knights.
inb4 "ermagerd 1st time a gm haz commented in suggesjuns foorum in 4eva"
I'm not sure I'd call players "brilliant" for choosing Spiral Knights. "Misguided" suits us more, myself included.
You mean a shadow bomb that can use fire?
That's just a normal based weapon. Nothing game changing(except for bombers in OCH).
Okay.
Dude.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Damage
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Status
You really need to elaborate, as we are not psychics, or actually play the game more to understand the mechanics.
If english is not your first language, and there's no forum for your language, okay.