10 energy penalty along with a minus 200cr
Will promote healthy gameplay.
Harsher penalty for leaving a LD game in progress
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 17:02
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 17:19
#2
If you have 0 mist 0 CE it
If you have 0 mist 0 CE it will just take the CR
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 17:30
#3
Taking away what you didn't have to put in runs into all sorts of problems when the leaver has 0CE and 0cr left. Better to just make the entry cost higher, like 500 or 1000cr.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 17:40
#4
If the guy has 0ce 0cr then
If the guy has 0ce 0cr then he wouldn't be in ld anyway
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 17:52
#5
Why not just take rank points off for leavers.
Also, if this was introduced a differentiation would need to be made between people that disconnect and people that leave
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 18:38
#6
@Troupe-Forums
Can't be done.
It's simple to implement, but once such a distinction occurs, anyone intending to leave will simply disconnect their game to avoid penalties. This is also why there won't at any point be such a penalty.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:29
#7
Also there are legitimate "excuses" to leave LD. Not everyone is a troll.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:46
#8
has been discussed before
If you have a good enough reason to leave, then it's more important than losing a few rank points or cr. Example, real life.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:57
#9
derp
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:56
#10
@Zeddy
The majority of people who leave Lockdown games intentionally don't actually know how to force a disconnect, so I don't think that's such a big problem.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:01
#11
@Neo
Current situation:
-I have exactly 200cr
-I enter LD
-I lose/leave
-I have 0cr
Your suggestion:
-I have exactly 200cr and no mist or CE
-I enter LD
-I leave
-I have negative money?
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:31
#12
You have 0, you're dirt poor.
You have 0, you're dirt poor. That in itself is its own penalty.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:57
#13
1. use all mist
2. mail all CE and CR to alt except entry fee
3. play normally, leave with no penalty
4. mail back
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:56
#14
1. Lose internet
1. Lose internet connection.
2. Spiral Knights crashes.
3. Computer crashes.
4. Someone calls you and tells you your aunt is having a baby and you gotta go RIGHT NOW.
5. Your daughter fell of the stairs and you gotta take him to the hospital RIGHT NOW.
6. Apocalypse.
And whatnot.
I say that whenever someone leaves lockdown a message should be broadcasted to players waiting for lockdown that they can fill in. This will cost NO crowns but will yield NO prizes.
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:37
#15
yeah keep on raising the
yeah keep on raising the punishment, i will still leave the match without any reason whenever i like. hahahahaha
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:21
#16
@Hexzyle
Is this a thing that genuinely happens? Do people join LD matches and just leave them for the lawls?
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 06:41
#17
^
Couple of idiots who chill on lobby saying, "Your gonna lose."
and when the game starts, they leave right on the dot.
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I say they make a game mechanic where they keep track of your leaves. -500 crowns per leave. So even if your broke, if you ever get 500 crowns in the future, a mail letter from Colisuem goes to your inbox and says you have to "pay your dues" for being a leaver. And then it takes your 500 crowns away. The trollers get trolled.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 08:05
#18
@Raptor
There should be a sub
@Raptor
There should be a sub system, I agree. It still stands that the penalty should be more severe. Emergency or not, it should still be there as the volume of players leaving a match for kicks outnumbers those with a legitimate reason.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 09:02
#19
Apply real life, as said
Apply real life, as said above. Nearly all people leave LD for reasons that cannot be helped and shouldn't be punished for, however small the penalty. Let's say that there is a serious risk of their house burning down. They leave LD and sort it out, come back, and get fined an extra 500cr for their troubles.
Why would you put this in? The trolls who join to leave immediately lose 200cr anyway, which I think (along with the tokens' cost) is a primary reason why you have to pay 200cr to get into a match.
It neither helps to stop trolls nor leaves people who have to genuinely leave happy. Deal with it. At least you got the token for your troubles.
-9 x 10^999999999999.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 10:34
#20
@Anon-Troll By your logic, all people who lose a game are trolls because they lose a match AND 200crowns? Wow ._.
Aside, personally krogmo coins have hardly any value (at least to me)I don't buy enamorocks just to sell them for profit, they end up stockpiling and suddenly comes that one or two guys that stare at me when I say I have like 1.4k Krogmo coins.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 10:44
#21
Those who leave because their
Those who leave because their team is losing are losing out anyway. Losers still lose their 200 crowns, but they at least get a Krogmo Coin for their troubles including any boosters that are active and additional Coins gained through a bribe. People don't play Lockdown to make a profit in crowns as you need a 3:1 win ratio which can and will be affected by the random team assignments and is generally not worth the time or effort, and seeing how people play PvP for the Krogmo Coins (or general entertainment) adding a monetary penalty when they're already throwing their crowns away seems unnecessary.
If anything, add a temporary ban penalty whereby leaving games make you unable to sign up again for a short period of time, increasing with each consecutive forfeit or forfeits made in a set amount of time.
Example: Knight leaves before the game ends and is banned for 5 minutes, and have been marked for the next 6 hours. For each time Knight leaves a game within this time their ban periods will increase.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 16:54
#22
@Anon
Like I said before, if you have a good enough reason to leave the game, then it's worth losing in-game money over. If your house is burning down, pretty sure your life is more important than 10 energy or 500cr or what have you.
Wed, 04/24/2013 - 19:44
#23
How about a "three strikes" system? There's no way your house would burn twice in 10 minutes.
Punish repeated offenders that leave 2-3 matches in a row or something like that. You get the idea.
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 02:39
#24
I have to completely disagree with the OP, but agree wholeheartedly with Juances and Shidara.
As they stated before me, why don't we use Halo Multiplayer System? It's very suitable, and doesn't punish poor people who had to leave for real. It works like this:
X starts playing LD for today.
X quits his first match.
X plays again and quits the second match he plays.
X plays again and quits for the third time.
The server bans him from playing LD for 15 mins.
After 15 mins, X plays again, and leaves the game early.
If X breaks the rule and get banned more than 3 times a day, he will get a warning from the GMs.
If X doesn't listen and remain breaking the leaving habit, he will get banned.
How about this? I think it's safer to use than reducting crowns from X.
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 15:58
#25
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!
Shidera's idea works well. If I leave for a reason, I'm going to be gone for atleast 15 minutes, no?
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 19:48
#26
I agree with having a strike system, but I disagree in taking away energy and crowns that will make you dirt poor. Yes, having a strike system would be nice. If the team is low on points and the other is winning, then they quit and just show no effort, but only cares about winning.
I disagree in having to take away your stuff. Somebody mentioned that you already lose 200 crowns. However, we can simply "increase" the price 2x more. So the entry fee for the Coliseum is 400 crowns now. But it's a 24 hour penalty and will be there until the duration is over. But what if you keep leaving in the duration? Well, the price goes up. The prize for the end of a lockdown match will still be 280 crowns or depends.
Also, it would be very silly to ban a player by GMs. If it is a rule, it would probably be inappropriate to become a rule, since it's a minigame rule only.
So the idea is to give the leaver a penalty by doubling the entry fee for 24 hours. But however, if they keep exploiting it for about a week or for 7 days and over, their penalty will start to get higher to 48 hours. This should stop them from leaving and at least make an effort and have fun.
Thu, 04/25/2013 - 22:49
#27
Most leavers are casual
Most leavers are casual lockdown players anyway, don't expect them to be too upset over not being able to play consecutive matches or multiple times a day. Your ideas are good but hardly applicable to the average leaver.
Fri, 04/26/2013 - 11:24
#28
When someone leaves, if you're waiting for a LD game you'll get a screen popped up saying 'Would you like to substitute for x player?
It'd say the map, time left, score, etc. It could work for members of the same guild waiting for a gvg game ro a regular game as well.
Though I'm sure this is all too complicated for OOO >_>
Other ideas suggest.. -200 crs (more then that would be simply too much), you cannot join a LD or BN game for another half-hour or so, etc.
Fri, 04/26/2013 - 15:28
#29
LOLP
Sometimes, when you gotta go, you gotta go. Random urgencies pop up for me all the time...I don't want to be punished for it.
Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:37
#30
@Arkate
Well too bad dude,
@Arkate
Well too bad dude, you're in a very small percentage of players that leave for anything other than frustration. It's a necessary evil to promote healthy gameplay for everyone. OOO is too derp to throw in a boss sub system so expect something simple like this to be implimented.
Fri, 04/26/2013 - 22:52
#31
How do you even know this will promote healthy gameplay?
Besides, this would only hurt the people that have a legitimate reason to leave if implemented. The people that want to troll their team will just sit in the locker room.
Fri, 04/26/2013 - 23:47
#32
@Neodasus
Don't underestimate the silent majority. I sometimes have to leave because I'm called off to do chores or travel someplace.
Frustration is a good reason to leave; you don't want players venting it during the game.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 06:47
#33
Instead of taking something away from the knight, you should give them a "Double period" where they pay 2x more for the entry fee for 2 - 24 hours. I mentioned this before, and since they keep leaving, they will either stop wasting crowns for LD or they will learn to play fair and at least make an effort to stay.
Sometimes, losing teams decide to make their decision to try and win. At the end, they win. This happens.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 07:27
#34
I'm kind of in favor of no
I'm kind of in favor of no penalty at all. Just tar and feather them. If you leave early, for any reason, the game system automatically tars and feathers your avatar forcing you to run around haven, gh and doing other runs/missions that way, kind of like wearing a costume. It could last 24 hours or whatever after you leave. Public humiliation, let all of SK know you are a quitter.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:07
#35
@Iamnoone
I'd rather not have my favourite armour covered in filth for having my client crash and disconnect me from the game.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:31
#36
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Why should we get penalised for leaving a mini game , which you have already payed to play.
A much better solution would be to compensate the team who has the leaver by providing them with some returned crowns if they lose.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 10:39
#37
@The-Urret:
That would be exploitable.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:01
#38
Shidara, if your client
Shidara, if your client crashes and disconnects you from the game, you should be tarred and feathered for having an unstable connection. You're problems became other peoples problems. Fix it. Get a better client. Sign into the site directly when you're going to be playing LD. Do what it takes to make it work. Your teams will thank you for it.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 11:40
#39
@Iamnoone
As if it's my bloody fault for having a god-awful laptop. I shouldn't have to be put to shame for not having a dedicated gaming rig with a personal fiber-optic internet connection when playing a god forsaken mini-game in a casual MMO.
Please take your tar and feather and shove it.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 13:37
#40
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@Iamnoone
I'm sorry, are you responsible for SK's server locations? Does everyone in the world have access to fiber-optic ISP? No.
If one person leaving destroys a team in LD, you would've lost anyway.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 17:16
#41
@Th-Urret
1 person in a 4v4
@Th-Urret
1 person in a 4v4 is critical, even in 6v6 one person can change the timing of the scoring que and swing for game. It doesn't matter how bad he is, a body is a body.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 18:15
#42
stupid human nature.
Why do controversial topics always have to turn into flame wars?
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 18:31
#43
How about an LD match costs 1000 crowns to start, but you get 800 back whether you win or lose?
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 18:48
#44
If you kept it the same as the system we have now, it would be 1000 to start, 1080 for winning, 800 for losing, and 0 for leaving.
Sat, 04/27/2013 - 19:49
#45
Ok how about this: let's have
Ok how about this: let's have a little faith in OOO (it hurts to entertain the notion) and hope they create a sub system mentioned in several of the posts above. Sounds great, right? So good in fact, that we can't possibly expect it to happen. What's next, friends-only lockdown with the option to host rooms?
Sun, 04/28/2013 - 00:54
#46
Why
So you expect people to stay no matter what? There's this thing called AFK that people can do, and it would make this whole suggestion completely pointless. Why do you even care if people leave or not? It's their choice, and you can't punish them for not wanting to play at the moment. What if your Grandparents had what? Teratoma all of a sudden and you were a surgeon? Oh let's just leave them to die so you won't have to spend cr! Or just go AFK. What do you expect next? To kick people going AFK within 30 seconds of them not moving? Yea. Great way to decimate the Jempies (Sorry no offence to you Jempies out there it's just that you go AFK so often yea love you all) and farming, because there's always one person who doesn't repeatedly move the mouse during their seconds of loading. What now? Get a faster computer? Perhaps you would like to give it to us, just because you think that people who have to leave because of something important should lose cr.
Are you mad because some players left your LD match? There's this thing called "School" and "Jobs" and "Non Freelancerisms" If you are going to rage about others making you lose cr, and make them pay by making them lose cr, you can go to Santa and ask for a tsunami of coal this year, because I'm pretty sure that they value their family more than you Your Majesty. I note that you made this only apply in Ld.
Promote Healthy Gameplay? What if someone wants to leave for what, a free shadow lair? Make them lose cr! Who cares about them! They ruined your game so they should get punished. Seriously though, what's more healthy gameplay? A simple Simon game of Ld or a fiery deadly shadow lair?
If this was how it were, I would make a rage thread about the book of dark rituals be obtainable by each person only once! I had seven duos, each time a book dropped, guess how many I got? 0000000! Grats you win an extra piece of coal for answering that right! We don't all get what we want, if we did, the world would be ruled by a lot of conflicting worldviews! As they say in Soviet Russia; "Car Drive You!"
10 energy penalty? Seriously? You did not just go there. Perhaps you would like a wonderful apocalyptic cornucopia full of nuclear bombs and incendiaries all wrapped up with a thick layer of asbestos and cancer to crash down upon the already brittle hairline of economical equilibrium, and then tip the scales of the ce market because so many people have work to do and make it so that there is a massive change in price of 100, pure ce. If people go AFK in fsc and have to restart every time they get a drink of water, they'll need to spend more ce, and because they want more ce, the ce sellers know they can, and will, sell the ce for a higher price; Inflation!
15000-16000 cr per 100 ce! Screw farming, people can live off of the tokens instead! Who wants the present of bankruptcy?
If you cannot handle a little competition and a variable, you should play something non competitive like hopscotch or something.
Sun, 04/28/2013 - 02:37
#47
lol
This panelty is BS, like toaster said, real life sucks but one day we will all have to put up with it, game however, it is another story, there are things in this world that matters more than this game. If taoster's scenario ever happens, trust me, i will quit SK too.
A message to Neodasus:
-.- let me tell u a little story, 3years ago, i played a game called navyfield ( NF ) which i am still playing now while my mist tank is recharging. The game rule is quite simple, players in RL use their ship to beat the crap out of each other in the high sea( WW2 era ), the teams, like LD in SK, are split into two teams and in navyfield, people crash constantly ( honestly, 2 or 3 people crash per game ). There are 20people per each team so u might argue that one crash doesn't matter as much, much trust me, if a high lvl aircraft carrier crashed on one team, it is likely for that team to lose air supereriority early in the game, and trust me u don't wanna lose that in navyfield( yeah, i have been around for a LONG time ). In some games, after a few of our best battleships crashed, me and my fleet still managed to win, even in defeat, we still managed to do some seriuos damage ( there are occasions where one team gets steamrolled, but that rarely happens).
So now back to LD, i never played it so i have no right to judge you, but here is a fact, war is unfair, LD is war, and ur enemy will not complain when ur teammates crashed(oh look, one of the jemps have DCed trolololol, pulsar rush those suckers!), u just have to suck it up and fight with every inch of ur life, do as much damage as u can and hold those points u have captured. Fight till the bitter end, that is the spirit of the PvPers. I know i may be talking like a Japanese, but ironically, the nation i chosed in navyfield is the Japanese navy...
Now,lets start a new flame war about japanese and american in WW2 plz :3
Sun, 04/28/2013 - 06:34
#48
./facepalm
If.
You.
Have.
Something.
More.
Important.
To.
You.
Than.
The.
Game.
That.
Makes.
You.
Leave.
YOU.
SHOULDN'T.
CARE.
ABOUT.
LOSING.
A LITTLE.
CE.
>.<
Sun, 04/28/2013 - 06:52
#49
Define healthy gameplay.
How
Define healthy gameplay.
How about putting leavers into another queue/last on queue if you so upset because some people love spending money and not moving?
Sun, 04/28/2013 - 06:56
#50
A suggestion has already been
A suggestion has already been brought up before that would fix the problem of leavers, without stealing crowns and energy from the less fortunate. I'm not going to mention it on this ruined thread all the way down here at post #50 because no-one will read it.
EDIT: Nevermind, Onekone just said it.
What happens if I don't have 10 energy, hmm?