A lot of noobies made hundreds of post about GvG and GLD tourneys rules (http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/76820...) but everyone forgot the most importante rule in GvG: no AT.
Rule nº1: No AT
If you want a real GvG dont use AT.
Real GvG Rules
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 12:45
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:02
#2
The facts: AT, Hammer and
The facts: AT, Hammer and Polaris are all weapons that can raise skill floor. However if you die to any of these in a 1 on 1 situation then you are probably at fault. Turning on AT is good, if you're playing bad guilds. However, eventually AT will cause what we call a skill-plateau. If you ever want to improve past this, just turn it off.
AT has its moments, but if a non-AT player is unable to defeat an AT player in a 1 on 1 situation then the non-AT player is at fault for not being better.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:11
#3
The trouble is that the "skill plateau" is too high.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:22
#4
If you can't deal with AT users, you need more practice. Period.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:34
#5
Personally, I think there are
Personally, I think there are some decent reasons to use AT. If your fps is bad, then there's a good reason to use it. I've seen a lot of people swinging at walls, and those are the people who are justified.
The only real weapon that really requires AT for better needed results in general is the brandish. Quite hard to get the right aim, especially if you use mouse for forward movement.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:35
#6
@Krabob I can deal with AT
@Krabob I can deal with AT users.... I'm the best, I can beat every player in this game... but that rules isnt for me is for people who wants a better GLD.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:45
#7
Maybe everyone would be happy if the AA/AT was more subtle, correcting your aim only if your aim is 1 milimiter off instead of triggering sharp turns at any angle, making things like a flourish or WRH abruptly change directions instead of doing a straight forward motion.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 13:49
#8
AT and UV's is there for everyone to use, I've never seen a developer or Game Masters say: If you use AT or UV's you are a noob and you have no real skill, if they ever do...they probably will be fired or get a warning. Uv's are there for people who want an edge against their opponent, It's not like it's cheap, it's just that not everybody has it. But everyone CAN get it, it's not impossible. Oh, and if you get rid of AT and UV's from Lockdown, then what? what happens to the people who spam hammer and AT flourish? well most of them will quit, and what happens to the people who use keyboard only or controller only? they quit, You know why? because they can't play anymore because they can't aim, and they can't do what most of the people in SK do, and what is that you might ask? Lockdown. What happens to the people who have spent alot of time getting UV's? They either quit, or move on, but most of them will quit, Because all the time or money they spent to get that gear to play lockdown was for nothing. so please, stop making these stupid mindless threads, we've seen them enough times.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 14:08
#9
They will not
Because they need it.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 14:29
#10
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Sigh. Here we go again.
AT is part of the game. it is in the games tab of the options screen, you can click it, it's not against the ToS or ANYTHING.
So are UV's. You, contri, have some ridiculous uv's, and a good computer and good connection. Since you have good uv's, gear, fps, and connection, you simply DONT NEED AT.
For beginners, people with bad fps, people with bad connections, people with bad gears, people without that many uv's, AT is the only thing that can help them. AT doesn't do much, besides aiding the occasional combo, and redirecting your swing a tiny bit to hit flat on.
"real gvg rules" funny.
#1 no AT
#2 no good computer
#3 no 4 bars
#4 no uv's
#5 only proto
#6 no complaining
#7 no CE rez
#8 no skill
#9 don't play the game
#10 go kill yourself.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 14:44
#11
#10 is my favorite, I give
#10 is my favorite, I give this tip to everyone I meet
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 14:53
#12
Well, if you dont accept my rule about AT, why you accept VLR and other rules about polaris, bombers, etc etc?
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 15:04
#13
@Contro
The reason why is because AT players are so easily countered, while six players spamming Polaris at one choke point is so broken that they have to create a new mechanic (dash) just to get past a Polaris-wall. I don't use AT because it skews the angle for each attack, especially in a group skirmish. However, if someone wants to use AT let them. It's never cost me a game and rarely cost me a skirmish or two.
Bombers should be self-explanatory. Having a bomber at every control point is rather toxic, right? I mean, there is absolutely no chance for the opposing team to swing for a win. Not only is that kind of match boring--but also very discouraging towards new guilds. How can we have a healthy, competitive environment if many new guilds are afraid to play? There needs to be some kind of ruleset to encourage a game where each team has the same shot at winning.
AT is only a small part of a bigger problem.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 15:27
#14
Boom!
@Contri: Because Njthug is sane.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 16:09
#15
Most of the [forum] community doesn't care about auto target though... I asked them. I mean, I know that everyone on the forums is just an outlier and that every other player loved the shard bomb update/hate autotarget, but...
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 16:23
#16
@Country
The gvg rules they promove is a way to keep Jempire aside... so don't be a fool.
If you add AT rule you keep aside 99% of the community, and that's just insane and can't be control.
People don't like Polaris, bombers or ce rez.. But love AT and that crap is way chaper than the 3 together.
If you can't fight them .. Just troll them.
Mié, 05/08/2013 - 16:53
#17
@Contri
Gotta say I'm surprised, but for once I totally agree with you.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 03:22
#18
I couldn't care less about any unofficial rules. Just need some friggin' balance to LD and that would be to remove trinkets from LD. I don't see a reason to have UVs, either. It just adds a partial pay to win part to LD.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 04:17
#19
@Canine-Vladmir:
"Rule nº1: No UV"
"everybody knows UVs are for P2W nubs"
Your brain has deluded you.
@Contri:
"I can deal with AT users.... I'm the best, I can beat every player in this game..."
You silly. You know you can't beat AT users. ;D
*wink wink*
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 06:02
#20
Perfect LD
No ce rez
No UVs
No AT
Old Shard Bomb
No specs
No more lag in gvg, no more people spamming ce rez, no more fake kills, all with the same defenses (I don't mind at all) and my old friend Guanchi back into LD spamming his damn Shards.
That the way a real PVP should be...
OOO should give us at least a "vote mode" before enter the arena to enable/disable those features.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 06:38
#21
Feller, what you're
Feller, what you're suggesting is not the PvP for an MMO but a standalone game.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 07:13
#22
my 2 cents
IMO made-up rules are for babies who can't stand losing.
Just shut up and play LD, it's unbalanced... you know it, I know it, we all know it, it's old news... it's more than a year old
"but polaris -"
We know...
"but... but..."
Yes... we know...
"but hammer is -"
Yes... we know...
"but AT is -"
Yes... it's in the game, we know you hate it...
Edit: if you want real ARPG fights that required tactics, skills and timing, go play MOAB games (Multiplayer online arena battle) Like DOTA or LoL... If I recogn, SK is about adventuring, not about PvP...
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 07:14
#23
^ lol dis butchy
@Neodasus
I see why not ye're taking it that way, but thousands of player who play lockdown takes it that way.
Turning Spiral Knights into standalone game>DotA standalones based
it's how they make them so. :v
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Rule #34: Shank yer jory with flourishes.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 07:15
#24
Dr Ein is fat.
What happened to Blast Network? That is a balanced PvP game (if no ones lagging)
How am I suppose to get skills if I can't even play let alone practice everyday.
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 20:16
#25
Language of the LD gods
Jue, 05/09/2013 - 20:17
#26
If you're complaining about
If you're complaining about the use of Auto Target, and you see other people using it well while you can't use it yourself...
You don't know how to use Auto Target. :)
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 01:55
#27
@Flaame I can use AT and kill
@Flaame I can use AT and kill everyone easier than without it but you cant use Polaris and kill Polaris spammers because you are mediocre..
If you complain about Polaris and Hammers dont use AT. If you dont complain you can use what you want but dont make stupid rules about how GvG should be.
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 02:04
#28
Am I wrong to think that
Am I wrong to think that -anyone- trying to self-impose their own laws upon other players for what dictates a "fair" match is a little strange?
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 03:32
#29
Use your illusion
AT is an illusion of large ping differences.
As a fabled australian lagger, every hit i sustain looks like an AT'ed hit on me
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 06:18
#30
@Country
Hey, Flaame is from Jempire, and the "GvG Violent Virgins Resolution" is a way to keep that guild out of GvG.
So.. don't be fool.
The people that create that thread, did it only to keep Jemps out the map. Adding a NO-AT rule... is a little dumb.. because 2 reasons.
* People need AT, even when some players have good latency.
* No one will agree to leave their "magic skill" outside colliseum, specially GvG.
Yesterday I fought only with AT + 3 hit combo.. and I got most dmg everysingle time, add some ce rez.. and I could have broken my own dmg records...
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 06:45
#31
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yesh feller. feel the power of being AT noob. now go 3hit brandish combo. I hit 35k with 3hit brandish and charge spamming. also ce rev
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 07:28
#32
I am so glad somebody made this thread! As you know, I never play less than 200 LD matches every day, and all the time I think "Argh, these AA users are totally ruining Lockdown! If only someone could make a thread in the forums about it! If only this problem became known!"
And now, at least, there is this thread.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Vie, 05/10/2013 - 08:26
#33
@Red
Ohhh I will...
I already have my chaos set, and I bought a Brandish ASI high for 50k cr.. but I'm too lazy to go heat that crap...
But be sure I'll be a "brandish spam machine" like Icycute... (Take it in a good way.. I like your style).
Damn.. sudernly I realize that low temperature players are great AT spamers...
I'll create an alt "DepravedIcyFellar"...
http://www.lanacion.com.ve/fotoedicion//2012/09/SPAM.jpg
FEEL DA POWER OF ULTIMATE AT SPAM FELLAR !!!!!
Dom, 05/12/2013 - 09:08
#34
Bump
Rule nº1: No UV
everybody knows UVs are for P2W nubs
If you want a real GvG don't use UVs.