Spiral Knights - A message to Bopp

A message to Bopp

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Fri, 05/10/2013 - 19:36

Kneller

Since we can't PM here.

I wanted to get your input on something. When I first started this game, your guide and advice was a huge help with me finding my bearings. So, I want to ask for your advice again.

I'm starting an alt who will essentially only use one single weapon for everything (probably a sword, and normal at that, based on the info I've gathered so far). Obviously, I won't be starting with a 5* weapon, but I'll go proto->some 1*->the 2-3* line that I take to 5*. Everyone in my guild thinks I'm nuts for trying, so I'm already aware I'm a crazy person. Still, I want to do something a little different on the side.

In any case, what would you recommend? Here are a few I'm considering, but I'm keeping an open mind:

Leviathan/CIV - the CIV is probably not the best choice since the Levi is a little better, but it's also less seen around Haven, so that makes it interesting.

DVB - The poison will come in handy in a variety of occasions, and it's fast, so I can stay mobile.

Sudaruska - Someone recommended this one to me today. I never thought much of it since it's so slow, but he made some good arguments. Basically, because it's so slow you're picking your shots more carefully, which is making them more effective. Plus the stun is actually pretty handy, he says.

DA - Because half of its damage is normal, it still kinda counts. What put this sword in the running is the (projectile) charge attack with it.

I think the bottom line possibly should be which sword has the best DPS. I suspect it might be the DVS, but the data for this is not out there as far as I know. What do you think? Thanks.

-Kneller

btw, you can reply here or in game if you prefer. My chars are Kneller and One-Trick. I bet you can guess which one is the alt. :P

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 19:52

Little-Juances

I think the bottom line possibly should be which sword has the best DPS. I suspect it might be the DVS, but the data for this is not out there as far as I know.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Lancer_Knightz_(Guild)/Data

You can compare weapon damage, and combos per minute to calculate DPS.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 19:55

Misten

I'm not Bopp but i just hope

I'm not Bopp but i just hope that you put combuster into consideration. Because combuster is part elemental and part normal, the damage/dps to gremlim/wolves is still very good,not weaken a lot. It will devastate the rest of the monster family. Also the fire status and its OP brandis charge will more than make up the difference.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 20:22

Bopp

agree

I'm glad that you have found my advice useful. By the way, you can also talk to me at my talk page. Also, this thread should be moved to the Arsenal forum?

You want a single sword for all occasions? Your ideas, and those of Little-Juances and Misten, sound good to me. I would focus on Leviathan or Combuster. Combuster's damage against beasts and gremlins is poor but not terrible, and the fire helps. You might also consider Voltedge, Valiance, or Supernova. Sudaruska/Triglav isn't crazy either. I wouldn't choose DVS or WHB.

My advice is always to choose based on 5-star items. If you do this, then you will skip 1-star items entirely.

You're trying to use just one weapon? Is this just for fun --- an arbitrary challenge? Practically speaking, I don't see why you wouldn't at least use two weapons, which of course opens up your options dramatically.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 20:41

Father-Frost

I think you should go for

I think you should go for something that is so hipster it is not on this list of normal damage weapons. triglav.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 22:40

No-Thanks

Time is being born.

in normal cases u can always switch weapons, but in ur case valiance is top-notch

DA also gets my vote

just not sure why u dont wana use both, that would be really perfect, ive played with those 2 badass weaps for longer time they rock everywhere. can only recommend

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 00:11

Mtax

What da hell about ingame PMing? ,_,

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 00:26

Krakob

If you think Levi is plain better than CIV, you might wanna read this. If you're considering DA valid, you might as well look at CIV too.

DVS has great DPS but not so great crowd management. WHB is plain badasser but it's IIRC a bit slower and you'll find the poison more handy than the beats bonus. The interruption on the charge is not very botherable anyway because it's suicide, too. It's more like jumping from a 4-story building than shooting your brains out with a shotgun though. Did I mention DVS is sick with some proper Damage Increase? No? Now I did.

Caliburs are the more balanced of the three normal sword kinds. This is the reason I find them so boring. Effective, of course, but boring. The charge is nice because it deals pretty damn sick damage towards anything rooted in the ground, e.g. turrets. The knockback on the charge is some crowd control, more than DVS and WHB has.

Suda is easier to use than Triglav, I believe, but I've got neither. They have some good crowd control although mediocre damage. If you're looking for proper damage in a normal weapon, I'm sorry but OOO hates it (except for Volcanic Pepperbox. It kicks butt).

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 01:45

Gravelord-Caste

Take off your mask. Then show us your Smile.

If you want an uneducated opinion, I'd say Sudaruska: if you can get a CTR UV on it and get Vog, you'd be able to dump miniature nukes while being able to get in normal hits when you need them. For guns, you either want a Volcanic Pepperbox for damage or the Valiance for mobility. For bombs, Nitronome. DA is also powerful, and can snipe off problematic turrets.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 03:44

Krakob

@Gravelord

Why not Irontech Destroyer?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:25

#10

Gravelord-Caste

/reply Krakob

Why not Big Angry Bomb? Seriously though, as I said, it's an uneducated opinion, and I forgot about the Irontech.

Hmm... Lemme check the Wiki...

Ok... The Destroyer has the smallest radius of all three bombs (including Nitro and Big Angry, which are a part of the family). Big Angry Does the most damage in the biggest radius, at the cost of a longer fuse time. Nitro is the weakest and it doesn't inflict stun, but it's the easiest to get and has the shortest fuse time. BAB and ID have fair chance of causing Minor Stun.

From what I can tell, you'll want Irontech for party use (EDIT: Don't use it for party use, people will probably hate you.), Nitro for Mobility or Big Angry to create miniature Chuck Norris sneezes.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm assuming the speed refers to the fuse time. I am not a bomber.)

(EDIT: Listen to Zeddy. He knows his bombs.)

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 07:28

#11

Krakob

I dislike BAB. It's just plain annoying to parties. Irontech has the greatest DPS of the three bombs, has stun as is plain badasser than the others.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 09:13

#12

Canine-Vladmir

lol. i thought it was a ransom note or something

a message to Bopp
"anybody but Bopp close your ears "
"gimme the crowns or your friend gets it! etc"

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 09:23

#13

Zeddy

@Gravelord-Caste

Irontech has the exact same radius as Nitronome and BAB; the wiki image was outdated.

Do not expect speed indicators to mean anything at all. BAB and Irontech have the same fuse time, but Nitro charges faster. Equipping swiftstrike will modify the speed bar of a bomb, but anything that changes charge time will not.

Just like with, say, Gran Faust, the speed bars are complete inventions.

@Krakob
Nitronome is a lot safer to use, and if you are going to do all of the game's content, I would very much not like to be stuck with an Irontech walking pace fighting greavers.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:24

#14

Skold-The-Drac

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zeddy's info is correct, however itb seems to charge as fast as nitro, just fuse of BAB dunno why.

Far as greavers... Yeah irontech and bab will just make you hug the floor. I have plenty of proof in regards to that. Even pre-emptive bombing won't help against the crobat wannabees.

Greavers, the zubat of SK, gofig.

If you pull a miracle on irontech and eliminate greavers likabaus in two blasts or less.. Then you're golden. You will have to rely on luck each time though.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 10:42

#15

Zeddy

@Skold-The-Drac

Yes, Irontech has Nitro's charge time. I'm not sure why I said otherwise.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 12:36

#16

Fehzor

The real problem here is Vanaduke. For him and him alone, I would say that a dread venom striker would be the best of the swords.

Nitronome would probably be the best of the bombs.. yes, ITD has the same charge time, but nitro is generally safer to use due to hits walk speed.

For guns (and overall) it would probably be v. pepperbox. That can kill all of the bosses, and isn't entirely bad for everything in between. Devilites and grievers are a bit of a sore spot with it, but like everything else, can be mastered.

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