This should happen. It's combo style could be like a slightly slower Flourish, and a similar charge attack, but with a bit less damage but more damage types. It could even give a bonus to shield bashes, with an animation that makes your knight stick the spear out overtop of the shield during the dash animation :D
Make a spear
Dunno why I sided with Juances, but he's got a pretty good argument there.
Mostly the reason I did it is because everyone I've seen suggesting another flourish has gotten the argument "Flourishes are op" But that's just what I've seen. In any case, the point is to have spears, and possibly make them work somehow with shield bashes.
Flourishes are OP because they strike too quickly for their range (they need to have a calibur's range and style of attack) and because they're pure piercing damage (which is only OP in lockdown, it makes it UP in PvE) which is silly: all melee attacks do at least half normal.
Which is why I said make it less powerful than the flourish.
I suspect this comes as a suggestion, less for a Flourish-like weapon, and more as a single weapon type that can actually do damage while shielding (with shield-bashing, the damage is replaced by the weapon's damage; rather than the standard damage).
If that's the case, it seems a lot of effort for limited gain. Especially as we don't know the exact details of the new shield mechanics.
If it works well with them, though, it could make for some interesting changes to tactics. Rather than just bump 'em out the way, you can charge at 'em. :3
i tired suggesting lances before but idk doubt we are getting anything in the way of weapons soon.
Now let's make tons of threads, asking OOO to nerf the Flourish :P
We've had a lance weapon class on the table for some time. One of these days perhaps...
@nick Really? Cool. You should work on releasing that and other weapons + balancing once Battle Sprites and the bash and dash are released. I want more "specialized" (unique) weapons to have fun with.
Cool! I just hope it doesn't end up being a flourish with a 1-hit combo and triple the damage.
Oh cool, nick posted :D The thing that brought this up was looking at what the slag guard's spear looked like in a knights hand in spiralspy, and it looked badass :v
Maybe it would act sort of like a slower flourish, but the charged attack has you throw
the spear, which pushes enemies in front of it and does continuous damage, sort of like
the wheels in the various Almire levels? And perhaps stun them if it pushes them into a wall?
Mmm, just look at this lovely SpiKni concept art.
Implement! Stat!
Somehow I find it funny that some people go aggro on these types of suggestion and when some sort of high-ranking person on that matter claims something on it, everyone turns into angels and football lovers.
>:3
"Somehow I find it funny that some people go aggro on these types of suggestion and when some sort of high-ranking person on that matter claims something on it, everyone turns into angels and football lovers."
We were getting aggro about flourish balance, not about the original suggestion of spears. Nick brought the thread back on topic (we were kinda derailing)
W-wow, dev commented suggestion. Miracle.
I fell that new spear-dlc arrives. ]:> ...what wouldn't be bad idea!
Woot! Looks Brilliant! I hope I'm still playing when it's out....
@Hex
Okay, that will really change the post... :3 But I'm glad nobody's gone --
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On the good side though, the look of lances held by knights do look cool, eexcept it could be tall XD
I just realised something. '/e' looks like 'le'. XD
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Since we've decided Spears are sorta in the works, why don't we talk about Lances and what types of lances would be fun?
I personally want to see a plant/vine type one with poison and mixed piercing and normal damage. Anyone else?
Personally I would like some dual damage weapons to make it back into the game, and lances/spears would be a fun way to do it. I'm thinking a heavy, 2-swing (poke, not swing, but you get the idea) weapon line: perhaps one with pure pierce, one with split shadow/pierce, and one with split elemental/pierce. Rather than the charge being a lunge--since we already have the flourish lines, after all--the charge could spear a baddie and draw it toward you before smashing it away with some knockback. Anyway, just an idea.
I love how I made a complex, intricate thread on a dual damage lance which got hate posts. And now this generic thread post gets +1s, and people suggest dual damage.
Yeah, this type of thing happens to me... a lot. Either hate posts, or no-one sees it and then two days later, "Insert Suggestion Thread Name" gets side tracked, and LOOK, everyone loves this new idea!
@Narfle Yeah, duno. another thought I had that I'm probably goin' to post soon (I'll add a link below if I do) is an idea for pure shadow and elemental swords.
We'll see.
this.... is..... COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a spear weapeon in spiral knight would be cool it could do shield prieing damage ( it deals damage to you ever with a shield up.) and they sould add horses to make Full use of the spear for you know riding horse spearman.
"Somehow I find it funny that some people go aggro on these types of suggestion and when some sort of high-ranking person on that matter claims something on it, everyone turns into angels and football lovers."
voice concerns in a negative way -> voice same concerns in a positive-er way
I'm still worried about spears just being single-hit, massive damage Flourishes.
P.S. While we're talking about lances... There's this thing.
I love how I made a complex, intricate thread on a dual damage lance which got hate posts. And now this generic thread post gets +1s, and people suggest dual damage.
It got hate because it wasn't designed very well. If you'd searched for previous forum threads you would have found some pretty good lance ideas.
This thread is just rubbish though. The only redeeming factor it has on it is of Nick mentioning Lances were planned at once point.
@Arkate as well: Did you see anyone support said dual damage suggestion? I didn't.
Wow, I smell a nice fresh pile of smelly hate those guys left behind. Someone clean that up :v
But seriously, I'm not trying to step on toes or piss people off, what's with the mean-ness floating around?
@Hex and Klipik Look, I know his idea was Probably dumb, he is just slightly confused.... no need for hate posts here.
@Klipik Also, I LOVE the picture. Good thought.
@Fading-Dusk There is ALWAYS more hate waiting to pop out. ALWAYS. Like, A-L-W-A-Y-S!!!
I'd like a spear/lance weapon.
/reply Klipik: nice pic.
That's not my picture, that's Zopryos/Zopryos-II/Pixelhat's picture. :3
But seriously, I'm not trying to step on toes or piss people off, what's with the mean-ness floating around?
Oh sorry, I wasn't intending to annoy you.
I was just mentioning the quality of this thread compared to other lance weapon threads. Don't take it to heart.
I kinda agree with you.... On the other hand, less is often more. If you can find a way to express your full idea in a simple, short, understandable way, I honor that.
This looks nice.
Having a longer reach than the flourish yet weaker than it.
Sacrificing power for reach could be nice for players who would rather stay a bit farther from the enemy.
It looks great and sounds great.
I can't wait for this.
XD
What it the charge was throwing the lance? Or maybe just the dreadnaught dashCharge thing?
"a slightly slower Flourish, and a similar charge attack, but with a bit less damage but more damage types."
The excuse of more variants isn't a good trade-off for a weaker and slower flourish.
A weapon shouldn't be weaker or stronger based on the amount of variants it has. That's silly.