I see a rage post talking about a weapon that anyone and everyone can get. Why don't you get your own Flourish and "cheat" yourself?

2 things:

1) Put this in Suggestions place

2)*cough*putsome*cough*peircingprotectionon*cough*actuallyreadtutorials*cough*anddontequipeverynewthingyouget*cough*readstats*cough*.
Sorry, sore throat, so, I hope you are joking.

@Owao: auto target. Just because everyone can cheat, doesn't make it ok to do so.

The difference is that in prívate servers people get banned for using it.

I understand the need of balance, is the same OOO did with hearth trinkets, but At least we should have the OPTION of joining a random/GvG without AT.. Something like "expert/hard" arena/mode.

Maybe if they do that.. I'll have to join the AT servers to have fun or see "old opponents" again... But i rather have the option.

Flourish... Get a brandish turn on AT and spam, any noob/new player can kill that way.

Thrillaus made that suggestion and several players agreed to that, was one of the best suggestions i've seen for LD.

@Ranger:Yes, I understand that auto target as a concept, or some substitute for it (like polaris) is necessary to give new/bad players a chance to get some hits off on veteran/good players. But the problem is, in CoD "pros" don't use NoobTubes because they are not as good as other weapons. In SK, people still use hammer/polaris/AT at high levels because they are still effective. WRH still makes you more mobile than anyone else, polaris still covers the most area with damage and knockback than anything else, AT still lets you get hits you couldn't humanly make. As for UVs, I don't like the idea of those either.

P.S. I've seen that video.

P.P.S. I use no UVs and no AT. I do use trinkets even though I was against them for the longest time, but in the end I got fed up with having to hit someone twice as many times to kill them. I'm actually trying to use trinkets as little as possible in T2, but in T3 I know it's hopeless.

P.P.P.S. I use Vog in T3.

@Snarkey: Like Feller said, there are two solutions for preventing vets from crushing noobs. Solution 1: spammy weapons. Solution 2: Ranked matches. I prefer solution 2.

EDIT: That video also talks about "FOO strategies". Right? I think the "noob-friendly" weapons in SK are too close to that. They stay effective for too long.

I agree in 100%, but still, High end players NEEDS options to keep LD in a competitive level.

If not people will keep creating ways to have fun leaving guilds aside (violent LD), players aside (no-AT tournaments) and increasing bad relationships in a Java game.

Just like COD, L4D 1-2, Battlefield and others, people remove manually this features with CFG's to make the game 100% pure skill.

Don't remove it.. Just give us an OPTION to join a game without it..

FF guy

Get a Polaris and spam like hell.

It does sometimes seem like the only way to balance LD would be to disconnect it from the main game. The problem with that is, when you take the link to your persistant SK character away, LD becomes fairly boring. It's just a generic point-capture minigame. The connection to SK and the ability to bring in whatever you've stockpiled from PvE is what makes it that much more interesting. How would you determine who gets what gear? Loadouts? Classes? UVs? Tiers? Guild Matches? Accessories? Anything else you could think of in LD that's not core game mechanics (walking,attacking,etc)?

Inside SK, LD is 9/10 of a game. All it's missing is balance.

If you take the SK out of LD, it becomes 1/2 of a game. It loses its uniqueness.

..The funny thing is that we got a civilized argument going in this thread..
@Klipik Before I saw your post, I didn't doubt that this was going to be an answer.
And that is maybe the problem with AT.
But you're right in saying that PvE today is way too dependant on "FOO" stratagies, like charge attacks, polaris spamming, etc.

Erm.. make sure to hav like 500 people playing LD at all times before putting in all these options..? with 50 people playing with 10 different options, it will be the same as BN.. so think before posting dumb stuff about "AA only option" and "skill only option" and dividing between player experience lvls from "newb" to "hardcore"...

@Zade: Theoretically, they wouldn't even have to tell you your rank. The system would just use it as a behind-the-scenes way to keep players of the same skill level together, and not make teams too unbalanced.

@Ranger: PvP too.

Is unique on the market and the smoothness of the gameplay gives it the chance (well supported of course) to turn it competitive and masive.

Example

Most of you know Bethesda and their big games like Fallout, TES and others sandbox rpg.

But have you heard of "The Precursors" ??

Is a sandbox RPG from Rusia. Star wats style (a univers sandbox, upgrade able weps, different mechas, upgradeble battleship to FLY from one planet to another and much more crap) that came out with no sucess at all. In most games webs is still in ETA, just because was poorly managed.

One day I found it... Was pure beauty, nothing to envy to Bethesda games, a master piece for sandbox lovers like me.

Lockdown is the same.. A diamond waiting to become a masterpiece of PVP MMO.

@ Neo + others

Wait.... so that guy is pressing all those keys... but he just like... hugging the wall? o_O Dafuq. I mean whether twitching/pressing alot of keys matters or not, I think they should at least know and attempt to respond to what's going on in the environment...

So what's next? Are there gonna be like 6 Man teams playing for teams like Azubu/CLG/Curse? Get a gaming house? Get a team coach? (LOL) Get sponsors? Making a living off of playing SK? Saywut.

Lockdown just needs to be a standalone game because I don't think Nick intended for this to become so skill-intensive and take away from the meat of the game.

It exist...

It's called Defense of the Ancients who was originally a Custom Map on Warcraft III and evolved into the massive Multiplayer Online Arena Battle game, which made is own genre.

League of Legends (LoL)

Heroes of Newerth (HoN)

And DotA 2 (successor of DotA as a full game)

are your choices...

Because let's face it you grinded thousands of hours to get your gear (runes/champs/skills) and you can get better via in-game options (AD/AP/tank/jungler)

This game was not intended to derail off PvP and the devs are trying EVERYTHING they can to make it go back into the PvE line and someone wants to turn it into PvP (Battle Sprites and Dash & Bash got imediatly asked into PvP)

Personally I think PvP will inevitably kill SK because it will create a gap between player that the dev could not fill, they will stick with one group and the other side will fall apart, dragging the other party along with it...

That's the future of SK if people get stuck up on LD and don't enjoy CW a lil more -_-

We don't really have a choice, unless someone finds a way to make PvE more attractive. Right now it's just FSC spam all day every day, and if you do anything else, you just have a nagging feeling that you could be making more money right now. Plus, PvE enemies have easily learnable attack patterns, CW levels have easily memorized layouts, tiles and spawn locations, and knights being too powerful makes all of it downright too easy. Except for fiends. And danger missions, but in a lot of places they are only harder because they got crammed with artificial difficulty. Bullet Hells, hordes of tightly packed monsters, infinitely swarming enemies. And even, in the case of GitM, tightly packed hordes of endlessly-respawning, bullet-hell-generating enemies.

I do agree, though, that they shouldn't focus too much on PvP. PvE is the core of the game (no pun intended) and it's vitally important to keep that core intact. PvE is in need of balancing as badly as PvP, and it has those glaring problems I mentioned earlier. But once those are fixed, and the balance between PvE and PvP is restored, it would be good to add more on to PvP. LD has great potential to be an incredibly solid, fun game, or even a competitive kind-of-e-sport.

The only problem with possibly separating it like in the case of DotA, is that SK and LD are made by the same developer, who still has to make money. How would you monetize something like LD? It would be incredibly hard to do without making it Pay2Win.