Spiral Knights - LD Needs an Overhaul

LD Needs an Overhaul

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Mon, 05/20/2013 - 15:07

Retrosaur

Honestly, since OOO is the kind of company that would only care about selling $50 promos rather than actually balancing out gameplay or adding content...something needs to change to Lockdown.

I'm pretty sure most will disagree, but whatever.

1) Disable Autoaim in LD
I'm sure there's plenty of threads out there also asking to disable autoaim. What's the whole point of adding this to LD? You might as well play a first-person shooter with an aimbot; the two are nearly the same. You give opponents who use it an easy and cheap way of winning LD games. I thought PvP was a game of skill, not a game of "Whocanuseautoaimthemosteffectively"

2) Balance out Striker
Seriously, this class needs a serious nerf, none of the other two classes can hold off against these classes. Guardians get their shield broken in only two hits from strikers (GF or DA), Recons can barely survive two hits. Not to mention the fact that the Guardian's shield doesn't recharge instantly, the Recon's cloak doesn't recharge instantly, but the Striker's charge recharges to full right away?

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 15:22

Little-Juances

Shields/Recons dying in 2 hits has nothing to do with strikers. Anyone can equip skolver or slash modules.

Mon, 05/20/2013 - 19:07

Klipik

So, would you say Lockdown needs more attention?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 02:56

Leekcoco

Both the Recon Cloak and

Both the Recon Cloak and Guardian Shield last way longer than the Striker Dash, which dies in five seconds. Recons can break Guardian Shields in two hits, and Guardians can kill Recons in two hits. Strikers can be killed in two hits too. Not too sure what your point is? Maybe there are just more good Strikers than good Recons/Guardians in the games you play. Bad luck.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:51

Qwao

@OP: What Klipik said... We

@OP: What Klipik said... We have many threads about the same thing already. It's a tad bit of a hassle, because it's hard to search for it without going page by page... and even then you're probably gonna get called out for necro :L

EDIT: Just to spite the first point next time try using autotarget with ping... it works 20% of the time, and it makes you so OP because most opponents just watch you fly into their attacks :'D

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:52

Reto-Da-Liz

A striker does not die in 2

A striker does not die in 2 hits, neither do recons. Unless you have no trinkets, in which case you shouldn't be playing.
The shield breaks in 2-3 hits and takes about 7 seconds to START rebuilding itself.
The striker dash reloads completely in roughly 3 seconds.

It's not balanced, it's a fact.
At least you can try to bomb as a guardian. Only bright side.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:54

Redblades

lol. 1v1 me. I'll play guardian

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:58

Reto-Da-Liz

i play guardian as well

i play guardian as well :)

only started playing also as striker a few weeks ago

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 04:59

Boodo

Just like little-juances said

Just like little-juances said recon and guardians dying in two hits has nothing to do with striker. A guardian could easily kill the recon and the recon could easily break the guardians shield. The striker shield boosts should go to full right away because it runs out the fastest. Recon shield already takes a lot of time to run. So does the guardians shield (unless you just GF/DA combo it). Even when the guardians shield is broken it can still heal you. Too me, it's pretty balanced.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:00

Qwao

@Reto-Da-Liz Unless you have

@Reto-Da-Liz Unless you have no trinkets, in which case you shouldn't be playing. You can play, but to blame someone it's their fault for "not having trinkets" so they should not be playing shouldn't be the case. Perhaps it gives one less "right" because "why don't you get one before SAYING something like that", but I think everyone *ought* to have their right to say something.

But yes, the Guardian shield needs a rework regarding defense. Sure alone it can take a few hits, but what kind of a guardian can't shield 2 of their teammates from a single Gran Faust strike without having their shield shatter at once? :L

EDIT: @Boodo Even when the guardian shield is broken it can still heal you I did not know that o.o

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:07

#10

Boodo

@Reto-Da-Liz

I don't have any trinkets and I do just fine. :/

EDIT: @Owao, I'm pretty sure the guardian shield can still heal when it's broken. I went guardian yesterday and when it was broken it healed me. Maybe I saw it wrong xD

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:03

#11

Reto-Da-Liz

Did not mean to sound

Did not mean to sound offensive. Just saying that playing with no trinkets is worthless/very hard, since most people have them.
Of course if you are a beast you can still succeed. It's just like playing with wolver set. All good training :)

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 05:11

#12

Troupe-Forums

I find I play far better without Auto-Target Enabled

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 08:44

#13

Dragonicblaze

The soon to be recon buff?

I am not looking forward to recon shields not breaking at first hit... just think about it.. have u not faced a guy who just walks around for 20 secs, putting recon mark on u.. and then hit u once.. then walk around (harassing u) for another 20 secs (refilling recon shield wen he has the time).. and u get that ONE hit on him finally and his shield breaks.. then u whoop his ass? now he can take multiple hits without shield breaking? sigh :|

Also those antigua and polaris spammers.. who r recons sigh :|

Same if guardian gets a buff.. when I am not on the top of my game and there is a pro guardian around, it takes me 2-3 lives to kill him.. so guardians and recons r fine the way they r.. and pro recons can pwn ur average LDers as well... JUST like a nub guardian/recon sucks.. a nub striker sucks as well.. its fricken balanced wen it comes to classes.. sigh :|

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 13:04

#14

Blake-Sky-Blade

@Dragonicblaze

So you're saying that you don't like the Recons because all they seem to do is constantly Deathmark you and then perhaps hit you?
Think of it this way: How long does it take for the Recon to kill you, if they ever do?
And how long does it take for you to kill them once their cloak is gone?
I'm guessing the time difference is upwards of 10-20 seconds.
Time is valuable in LD. You get the advantage of being able to take down opponents with a couple of sword swings and move on if you're lucky, they're stuck using up possibly half a minute just so they can breathe easy right up until you come dashing back at them and it begins again.
And I seriously doubt that it takes you 2-3 lives to kill even the most 'pro' of Guardians, if they're alone. Was this Guardian alone? If not, then he's doing one of a Guardian's jobs:
Protecting and Healing.
Guardians are not designed to be loners, unlike Recons or Strikers. That's why Guardians are actually UP: people just don't work together enough for the Guardian to be really useful.
Does another POV change your stance at all?

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 14:57

#15

Klipik

sigh

" Unless you have no trinkets, in which case you shouldn't be playing."

Here we have the biggest problem with LD.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 17:49

#16

Leekcoco

I get KO'd from a full Gran

I get KO'd from a full Gran Faust combo while wearing full Shadowsun and heart trinkets. So . . . *shrug* Maybe I just remembered wrong. :>

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