thx guys but im planing to make a set of
Set 1 : Acheron and Leviathan Blade
Set 2 : Acheron and Sentenza
Set 3 : Acheron and Argent Peacemaker
Set 4 : Acheron and Barbarous Thorn Blade
Set 5: Acheron and Gran Faust or Divine Avenger
Set 6 : Acheron and Combuster or Glacius or Voltedge
Set 7: Acheron and Wild Hunting Blade
Set 8 : Acheron and Fang of Vog
plz help me chose 2 or 3 out of here
it will really help me :)
i am a pro sword user
but a noob with guns and super dumb with aiming -_-
k maybe but i might need a more reasonable and detail for set even though yours is good i need to concern my skills and abiltes for guns and swords
Your old thread isn't even very old or large. Just continue it, rather than starting a new thread.
what has your comment got to do with my topic im asking which ones the best set and not complaing or fussing about my old topics ! stupid people on forums .....
He's right Kirito, there wasn't any reason to make a new thread for this.
Well considering that he's asking what to combo Acheron with than What's good about Acheron itself mayybeeee he can just make a new thread. Still this is a silly reason not to humor him.
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Now like Snipm said a full sword loadout doesn't fare well most of the time, and it also means you have to pick up pots to hit switches yadayda. If you have Argent peacemaker you have 2 damage types so you don't have to worry about much. Take this scenario for example:
You find a jelly. Acheron > Jelly.
You find a wolver. Argent peacemaker's elemental doesn't work on it, so you just acheron.
You find a zombie. Argent Peacemaker > Zombie. Don't use acheron because zombies resist shadow.
You find a construct. You have the choice to use Argent because elemental does more damage to construct, or Acheron as it is neutral to it.
In short, if one of your damage types doesn't work, you can always use your other weapon to deal more damage. Fiends though would be a pain, it'd be wise to make more than 2 weapons and switch out one for the other should the situation call for it. I suggest a Final Flourish for Fiends, or Barbarous Thorn Blade if it's within your ability to get it.
Now if you can't aim with guns you could try standing still, shoot a bullet or two with autotarget, move to dodge, shoot again, repeat. It's not as effective as aiming it yourself, but it works.
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Now if you really HAVE to use two swords I suggest you pair Acheron with Divine avenger, as divine avenger has a ranged charge so you can use it to hit switches (to some extent). Divine Avenger's wide swings and knockback are the complete opposite of Acheron's narrow slash, so you can use it to hit multiple enemies at once. It's elemental damage and wide swings can also work against devilites to some extent, so I recommend it.
Alternatively, elemental brandish works as well, in which case for general purpose use a Combuster for damage, voltedge or glacius for disabling enemies. You don't have to get all if it's not within your ability, pick one that you prefer. Knockback + damage? Combuster. Freezing enemies/Shocking enemies? Glacius/Voltedge. Take note that Glacius's freeze may freeze an enemy in front of you while they are still attacking (if you don't interrupt them) and cause you to take damage, while Voltedge's shock may mess up knockback when you need it to knock an enemy out of range (such as using the second slash)
Alternatively Barbarous Thorn Blade is nice. It has a ranged charge as well and is very good for fiends which Acheron is bad against. Acheron will work fine against Jellies and Constructs which Thorn blade is weak against, so it's also a really good combo.
If you really need to use two swords, I suggest Acheron with either Divine Avenger, Barbarous Thorn Blade or one of the elemental brandishes. Alternatively you could get an elemental Brandish with a Gran Faust instead; the choice is yours.
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Oh and on the subject of guns, consider Valiance. While it's standard issue Blaster and normal damage might not seem very impressive its bullets inflict knockback on every hit and its normal damage means you can use it on any enemy, whether your Acheron can kill it or not. If you want a gun I highly suggest Valiance first.
In your previous thread, post #1 contains a link to my sword guide, which explains how to combine swords with each other and with guns. Tons of information is readily available, if you can be bothered to read it.
i planed a Leviathan Blade and acheron cuz Leviathan Blade has a large knock back that i could use against when im surround my enemy's and charge attack it cuz it makes a 360 turn swing which can knock them back then switch to acheron and long range attack them
so over all
my sets are : Set 3 , 4 ,5
these are great suggestions but can you help with Leviathan Blade balance?
If you want knockback Acheron's charge has a huge knockback in the line of fire. There's no reason to carry leviathan AND acheron- you're better off taking another sword with specialised attack or using leviathan and a gun. If you want long range, get a gun. Unless you are absolutely that horrible with aiming, then I assume you use autotarget with swords, or you use arrow keys to aim and move. /shrug
So basically: Don't get Leviathan if you don't plan on making a huge arsenal. You are better off just using specialised damage. If you want a small arsenal though I doubt you'll be making an Acheron at all; you'd have went for normal damage on the get-go since well, it works against everything so you can use it for everything, in theory.
If you truly want a Leviathan, I really suggest pairing it with Valiance. The two are a great combo once you are able to master hitting once-twice with levi, retreat, shoot a few Valiance shots, close in and swing again. It's kinda fun as well if you know how to execute it.
But again, my advice is: Leviathan's normal damage is good enough on its own, but if you want to pair it with Acheron then the same things apply: Use Acheron against slimes and jellies, leviathan for everything else Acheron can't kill such as undead and fiends. Not much tactics involved here; read above regarding brandish etc and apply.
Well, if you're choosing from among options 3, 4, and 5, then they're all fine. It depends on whether you want to play all-swords or not.
I often play all-swords, but some situations are challenging, such as many-gun-puppies-surrounded-by-many-spikes. Either of your sword options (shadow and elemental, or shadow and piercing) is fine. Elemental-vulnerable enemies (constructs, undead) are more prevalent than piercing-vulnerable enemies (fiends, beasts), but fiends are really nasty. So both choices make sense. Ideally, you would get all three swords, and bring the two that are most appropriate to the level.
If you decide to go with a gun as your second weapon, then you probably want an elemental gun. Argent Peacemaker is just one option. Search Google for "spiral knights forum elemental gun" for more ideas. The short version is:
* Argent Peacemaker: Easy to use, decent damage, terrible charge.
* Polaris: Easy to use, decent damage, big knockback; really a crowd-control weapon.
* Nova Driver: Harder to use, but higher damage in the hands of an expert.
* Storm, Magma, Hail Drivers: Like Nova, but trade a little damage for status.
My personal recommendation is Nova or Storm.
with BTB and an elemental brandish, you've covered all damage types. you won't need any other weapon, except for maybe a shiv or a blitz, but you prolly won't if you prefer swords-only like i do (or when they're party requisites in some FSC runs).
Rundown:
Set 1: Acheron and Leviathan Blade - isn't an optimal 2-weapon loadout as there are other set choices you have put up which will do the job better.
Set 2 : Acheron and Sentenza - not really advisable having two shadow weapons and nothing else.
Set 3 : Acheron and Argent Peacemaker - take DA or an elemental brandish instead, since you prefer swords (as you're a pro swordie as you say)
Set 4 : Acheron and Barbarous Thorn Blade - one of the better choices if merely for the different damage types you can dish out
Set 5.1: Acheron and Gran Faust - see set 2
Set 5.2: Acheron and Divine Avenger - being a brandish lover, i am biased in favor of brandishes (combuster particularly)
i find that the argument in favor of a DA merely for the charge projectiles on the switches (in my honest, humble opinion) seems weak, as the pots are always there when there are any distant switches to be thrown, which takes less time to pick up and throw than to charge the sword.
Set 6 : Acheron and Combuster or Glacius or Voltedge - same mechanic as the acheron, meaning you don't need to learn DA skills which you can perform just as well with your elemental brandish; you can continue to perfect you charge attack angling and speed.
Set 7: Acheron and Wild Hunting Blade - not really a fan of the cutter types, also i don't have one; can't comment on this
Set 8 : Acheron and Fang of Vog - see set 7
general clockworks runs only require me to use either set 4 or 6, or sometimes BTB and an elemental brandish.
ps: i've basically turned it into a DA v. elemental brandish reply. sorry :p
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im not a brandish fan i just love the acheron path
and i'm planing of a divine avenger and argent peace maker
thx for the surgestions
if you have any thing else you wanna tell me
feel free to do so
^_^
Divine Avenger pairs up well with Acheron, in my opinion(s) outlined in my previous post. Argent Peacemaker's a really good gun if you're not into Drivers. Granted they are powerful, but I think some players prefer spamming bullets than having multiple guns to take the most advantage of the Drivers' capabilities.
Pack a gun, only swords usually fares terribly. Always needing to get into med-close range ups your chances of getting hit.
Argent seems to be the most reasonable choice