Spiral Knights - Add a option to vote close a thread on the forums because...

Add a option to vote close a thread on the forums because...

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Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:21

Waffleconecake

There are too many freaking "Dual derping" threads being made weekly. The people who make these threads also often just leave it open and never bother to graveyard it. I know the main problem with this is people may abuse multi accounts to have threads they don't like closed so I guess the easiest way to deal with that is to have a IP vote system, were each IP can only vote once instead of accounts.
I feel the vote should be based on how many IPs have visited the thread being the Cap, and at least 2/3s must be reached in the "vote close" option for it to be closed after 24 hours has passed from the thread opening.
also adding a "agree" "disagree" option would be nice and the ability to explain why so the thread owner can easily read WHY they feel that way as well as other players.

LATE EDIT: The "vote close" option should only be in the Suggestions forum! sorry for not mentioning it in OP.

LATER EDIT: as Skey mentioned, this would also lighten the work on the forum admins.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:32

Dementia-Praecox

I like this idea, and it would certainly help clean up the clutter in the forums.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:05

Hearthstone

What Dementia said, plus this could lessen the Admins' work of trying to find the most derpy thread.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:41

Waffleconecake

danke shay

Thanks for the support guys. I thanks for bringing up the whole "Helping admins" thing.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:17

Jiker

+999999999999999999999999999999

I represent all life on Earth, dead or alive.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:32

Apophis-Set-Two

+9001 for Mai fwiend :3

Would help clean up necro bumps made by unsuspecting newcomers, who check the forums once using the search bar and never bothered checking the dates... (De NHUUUUUUBS R EVRYWHAR$@!! Get your 1337 shotgun ready >:D)

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 20:33

Zeddy

If we were to add features to our forums, I'm not sure giving people who disagree with someone starting a controversial thread a way to simply close it is the first thing I'd add.

I may be a bit biased in that regard.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 20:43

Father-Frost

But then what would happen to my fun threads like this?
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/78306

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 23:17

Hexzyle

This forum runs on the Drupal engine.
It is not possible to implement something like this, unfortunately.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 06:49

Waffleconecake

TBH Father, if your suggestion would be added you would tern the catz and polsarz into the new alchemers. That is a bad thing.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:11

#10

Klipik-Forum

But...

We'll just use it to close all the threads we don't like.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:41

#11

Waffleconecake

@kilp

I think the best way to counter with that problem is to have a "Original enough" vote as well.
And tbh, if a thread is bad enough for people to want to close it, it will most likely should be closed.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:53

#12

Nechrome

For a second there I thought the title was 'Add an option to close the forums' ._.

+1 Would be very useful for cleaning the place up.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 20:14

#13

Kive

-1

This is a terrible idea. Let me break it down.

1. Groups could possibly get on and vote to close threads to troll.

2. Multiple people come up with the same suggestion. Although the suggestion is the same the content and how well fleshed out an idea is varies greatly.

3. @Hexzyle bring this up there are technical limits to the forums on this site and whether this feature would be worth the effort hasn't been proven.

4. What are the rules to shutting a thread down? Is it built on a certain number of people asking to close it ( let's say 10 and then it auto shuts it down)? Is it percentage based (60% or more vote to close it)? How is this going to be measured in 24 hour intervals?

5. Having your thread shut down can strongly hurt your confidence and willingness to join/support the comunnity by creating toxicity amongst each other. I would rather a human tell me why my idea is no good than an automic machine erasing my thread from existence.

6. Not everybody is going to like your idea. Pets are a great example because many people ( Including me) hate the idea. Months later look now we are getting battle sprites.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 21:32

#14

Waffleconecake

@kive replys

1)I understand this isue but currently there is no major troll groups in SK or on the forums that I am aware of, if the danger comes along a "false flager" feature were a person's account and IP can be marked with the "false flager" statues and not be counted in thread views or be able to vote. This way these groups will have to go to much farther lengths to do this and will most likly be spot able as there is meant to be a reason why you feel it should be closed added to it seeing how I mentioned a "reason why" box. Maybe make it the player's "reason why" needs to be clearly filled out and agreed with? I dunno.. that could also be abused :l Maybe just make it a "Mark as repeat thread" option isntead and resurve the "close thread" option for only some players that are proven to be good forum members?
Or it could just become a "Should be graveyarded" vote to help admins better single out the bad threads with out having threads falsely flagged threads so the trolls/haters can't get them removed.

2) This is meant to counter mainly the "IT WULD BE CULE IF WE CULD USE LIEK TWO SWARDS AT OUNCE" threads and of similar caliber. Not all repeat/reposts, as there has been several times were that one GOOD thread on a common suggestion is good and should obviously not be flagged for closing.

3) I am sure that if OOO looked into it they could figure out how to add this in, I know it sounds complicated but there are more complex things on several forums.

4)To better clarify the rules to "shutting down", or more likely now "flagging for graveyard" or "marking for death", would be that after the thread has been up for 24 hours (you can already see how long a thread has been up) if 75%(changeable number) of the people who have viewed the thread think the thread should be closed/marked for death then it will be.

5)Hurt feelings is a risk everyone takes when ever they point out some thing wrong with a thread, the fact of the matter is I felt discomfort from your post but I got past that and decided to use it to better think through this suggestion. The way a person deals with negative or disagreeing feed back relays on there morality and if they can not handle negative feed back or disagreement then I don't think they are fit to use a suggestion forum. The "mark for death" would at least provide a way to make it more clear to why they disagree with the "Why I vote close" box if the player filled it out.

6)I know not everyone will like an idea, you proved this your self and I thank you for this. By disagreeing with my idea you made ME think about it more and how to improve it, you made me improve it weather you intended to or not. If someone is known for abusing the "mark for death" feature to get ideas they don't like taken down then they can be banned from using the feature if that was what you were trying to convey with number 6.
On a less related note I don't really see BS as a pet update tbh, they are more like combat servants or supports.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 20:13

#15

Kive

@Waffle

Nice follow up. The idea is much more fleshed out than before. I still don't agree with the concept let me say my two major points on why I still don't agree.

1. I am not neccesarily saying that people that peoples feelings aren't going to be hurt if the suggestion is bad. I am saying that I wouldn't want my forum to be destroyed by a machine, I would prefer players give me harsh constructive criticism that I can use to make my next thread that much better or improve upon my existing one.I think that you need to realize that not all people are born bestselling authors they had to work to get there; whether that be criticism negative and positive that built them to where they are now. If we close forums down like this then those new authors are going to get discouraged and the community won't grow.

2. What is the advantage of being able to close down forums? Most of the bad forums only last about a day without getting pushed to the next page. Is it because you want to discourage certain repeat suggestions? You want the devs to see the better suggestions? Most of the good suggestions last for multiple pages. I think the forums are fine the way they are now. The community can access how viable a concept is and also problem shoot for potential reasons why a suggestion won't work.

The reason forums are here is to filter and refine the bad and good ideas through community feedback.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:57

#16

Waffleconecake

AWW THWACCCK NAAWWHHH

@kive, ty for input.
1. I agree with your statement as a whole, but I only feel the argument of some peoples feelings getting hurt is a bit well, flaccid, in the sense any thing can offend someone so I don't really have more to say other then what I already have, we risk offending someone every time we use our freedom of speech.

The only thing I can possibly add is that if someone is unable to make a suggestion with out any thought added to it, is this even a suggestion? I know this sounds cruel, as I am the one saying it so it must be, but wouldn't it be better to have those kinds of people not posting threads? I know it might crush their confidants and all but their is a "why this is bad" box to the "vote close" option so this could atleast be used to exsplain what they did wrong and possibly even improve them in some ways.

2. I will use this thread as an example to why this would be useful. You can see how old the thread is, in case you can't find it the thread has been up for now 4 days for me( 06/02/2013). This would mean, for 4 days a uninformative, bad, repeat thread has been taking a suggestion forum slot for 4 days too long. Would it be better to have it closed within, or at least flagged as a bad thread in the first day killing its attention or to have it linger for about a week wasting forum space? I would take the first option, it allows more original or informative threads last longer on the front page allowing them to get more attention and feed back.

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