Spiral Knights - Argent Peacemaker Vs Hail Driver. HELP!

Argent Peacemaker Vs Hail Driver. HELP!

7 replies [Last post]

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 10:24

Gismor

I've been thinking about this for a looong time now. I'm currently at the star 2 and star 3 weapons of the Hail Driver and Peacemaker lines respectively. I kind of like the fast rate and the 6 bullet magazine that lets me stop firing and dash more rather than wait for the reload, but I also adore the damage and freeze effects on the Cryotech Alchemer. On a dedicated gunner, which would work better? I'm thinkiing I'd use Senteza as my shadow damage weapon and the Blitz needle(Getting somewhat good at the Autogun) as my piercing damage weapon. My armor of choice is going to be Shadowsun and I'm still wondering if I should get Grey Owlite or SwiftStrike as a buckler, as I'm still getting used to evading.

...Also would Sentenza work as a good shadow weapon against those bastard jellys?

Thanks.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 10:36

Bopp

usually alchemers

Yes, Sentenza works against jellies and gremlins just as well as Argent works against undead and constructs. But serious gunners usually go for alchemers over Antigua guns. Antigua guns are easy to use, and the damage is decent. The Antigua charge attack locks you in place for a long time, and is regarded as bad. Alchemers are harder to use well, but the damage is higher, in the hands of an expert. An expert knows how to use ricochets (doubling his damage output) and knows how to fire alchemers quickly (using the "alchemer switching" trick).

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 11:24

Onekone

Well, Antigua charge is not

Well, Antigua charge is not that bad. With practice and UVs/ASI bonuses AP/Senteza's charge is "poor man Avenger" type of charge, and splash damage is often enough for quite fast enemy dispatching. Plus bullets are quite fast, as well as pistol overall.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 12:02

Little-Juances

An alchemer charge is enough to kill most enemies if wearing shadowsun and aiming properly. The time it takes to finish an antigua charge is too long in comparison.

That's why antiguas are better as sidearms for swordsmens instead of 'true' gunslingers.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 23:19

Gismor

So as a dedicated gunner, a

So as a dedicated gunner, a Senteza would arguably be inferior to the Shadow Driver for my shadow pistol. Alright, thank you all for the answers. Let's assume I can dodge well, should I go with the Grey Owlite shield to be safe or should I pick up a swift strike and force myself into better evasions?

Edit: Just using the Antigua as a piercing weapon makes me not stand it. It's so weak and I feel the hitbox of the bullets are too small.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 22:36

Bopp

assuming you can dodge well

If we're "assuming you can dodge well", then Swiftstrike Buckler is the obvious choice. Give it a try and see whether you like it. It's only 3-star, so even if you don't like it you haven't wasted much money.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 05:12

Geosmin

I don't intentionally venture

I don't intentionally venture into T2 with any shield other than Swiftstrike. It's very worthwhile where it sounds like you're at, since the most common crown farms for clearing Wall of Heroes are in T2, so even after gaining T3 clearance it might still be a while before you leave T2 behind.

I have problems with Antigua projectile collision detection too, and Magnus projectiles feel similar for me despite looking different, so you might want to know. For me at least, Blaster, Alchemers and Autoguns are the least affected by that nonsense.

As noted upthread, Alchemers yield much better results when you upgrade them and get better at using them. That also describes the relationship between Magnus and Needler, with Needler being one of the most powerful Pierce weapons and Magnus being one of the weakest. As a result, most gunners end up gravitating toward Alchemers over Antiguas, and Needler over Magnus because they're much more powerful.

I gravitate toward Catalyser for the same reason, but apparently it's not for every one. I think it's because Catalyser seems clumsy and random until you understand how it works, and it's really easy to get yourself killed until that understanding develops, so a lot of people stop using the weapon in favour of something easier to figure out, like an Alchemer or Autogun.

Alchemer, Autogun and Catalyser are all top-notch DPS guns, so you can't go wrong with either of them as a main offensive tool if you know how to use it safely. If you're going for just one of those offensive powerhouses, choose the Normal damage version. If going for 2 or more, start with damage types other than Normal. I also recommend either Blaster or Pulsegun as a defensive tool, either will serve well for getting through tough missions, and for that use Normal is better for the Pulsegun even if you're also upgrading your Blaster and using it a lot. The knock is much more important than the Shock, and makes the extra situational damage of Elemental be less important.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 16:37

Atacii

...

I think a shadow shield is more important than an elemental shield. Regardless, you should get swiftstrike before anything else.

And fyi, blitz isn't a piercing weapon. It's a 'use against anything not resistant to piercing' weapon.

Search

Argent Peacemaker Vs Hail Driver. HELP!