The Skolver Clones everyone talks about have tons of piercing defenses and health boosts. If anything could withstand a blitz charge, I'd think they'd be it. Once they're not dead, it probably wouldn't be too tough for the clone to slice you to ribbons while you're stationary.

Anyway. Not that I'm a Lockdown expert, but it doesn't seem to me that the hit limit is what's holding autoguns back in Lockdown.

+1 but maybe make the pepper box imune to this nerf seeing how hits the one that releys on getting hits to cause its status to do damage? well either way as long as I don't seethis happen any time soon again I will approve...
Seerusly, bringing blitz for a freaking Iron Wall fight? That made my gears grind like it was over time at the Clock work factory.
If a "specialized" weapon reaches the point of being so OP that it becomes a popular weapon to use on things that RESIST the damage type it deals you know it needs a flopping nerf. Pls OOO this has gone too far.

If you want to play like that, all bombs should be limited to hit a maximum of only 3 targets, if you want "balance", we need to go all the way.

Bombs aren't balanced by their charge time - the charge time is enough to chain infinitely knocking back/down the enemies without any real effort, that doesn't make 2 enemies in the game a joke, it makes the whole game a joke.

We will meet at lockdown. *Tooks blitz*

Hit limits are the stupidest nerfs of them all.

Big Iron (and all other battlepods) does not specfically resist piercing; it's untyped and resists all damage types equally.

"paweu, if your theory is correct, everyone would use DBB and mist not to be bored. I don't see many guys using DBB. also, there are swords doing that and guys continue to use it. so it's not so.
bombs are underused because they aren't practical, not because they make the game too easy."

Anyone who actually uses bombs can tell you that they make the game a joke, guess you won't understand it till you start using bombs yourself. And of course people aren't going for a "hold and release to win" kind of weapon, that'd get boring really fast.

Blitz is the most overpowered weapon in the entire game.
It's charge can one shot trojans, almirian crusaders, deadnaughts, most likely battlepods and with enough damage bonuses even cursed deadnaughts and slag guards. IT CAN ONE SHOT POWERFUL ENEMIES THAT IT ISN'T EVEN STRONG AGAINST! A lot of people want to buff vanaduck because they think he is too easy. I have tried fighting vanaduck without a blitz, strike, blight or plague needle and it is HARD. Vanaduck isn't easy. The only reason people find vanaduck easy is because of blitz. I am pretty sure that maulos would also be hard without blitz.
I don't understand why people complain that brandishes and alchemers are overpowered and don't complain about blitz.
I don't let anybody use blitz in guild fsc because of how overpowered it is.
This needs to happen.

"I ask, which bombs have you used? I use bombs in conjunction with other weapons. They do not make the game too easy, as in order to get good CTR (which sucks normally) you must either sacrifice both trinket slots and/or take on elemental defense. Like this, you are left squishy to many enemies. It sounds like you are referring to a specific bomb or bomb-series as OP."

I hope you are joking - squishiness doesn't matter when enemies can't ever touch you. Sacrifice a trinket slot? Bombers have it easy, just get CTR UV on a bomb and you are done. What bombs? Almost every single bomb, only bombs excluded are 5* shards. Yeah, I've got them all minus the shards.

So I'm curious. You're saying that it's OP, but what are you comparing it too? Yes, I agree that it is a tad too strong, but for mediocre players like me, I enjoy having powerful weaponry. Second of all, how will you explain the "plink"? It's rather random to get 3 shots and 3 plinks for no obvious reason besides invinciplinks. Too swordlike? I guess that really depends on your approach to the different weapons so I'm not going to argue this one out. Too easy? Go hit those Trojans with something else then. You are not forced to be as strong as possible within the game. Nerf the damage and I'll go make a plague needle. Because there is always going to be something "top of the line" until OOO decides to implement perfect imbalance.

@Zeddy
What's wrong with brandishes and alchemers? I understand brandish charge spam but alchemers?

@Paweu
It seems to me that bombs are meant to deal out medium damage or status over a large range of enemies. It's a mix of the risk of a swordsman and the safety of a gunner while keeping the damage within that range too.

@Little-Juances
I agree to that completely. I think that the charge should be more of a spread shot than a wavy line. The wavy line is too focused and requires little skill. What I'm thinking of is something like a T3 howlitzer shooting bullets consecutively in a 180 degree spread of bullets. Maybe 10 of those bullets. That way you have crowd damage, yet you can't hit one thing with everything. For max damage you'd need to be really close. Like cutter-line close to hit with 4-5 bullets.

@Autofire #22
Blitz cannot be long-range. That would be such a buff. Why? Ever see someone corner shield with a Nitro? Now do that with a Blitz charge. Plinks will still probably do knockback, though I'm not too sure (I'm pretty sure a Polaris can push an invincible Snarbolax). Long range would be covering fire, which a lot of people do with guns, but they're mostly single-shot bullets with a punch (alchemers, iron slug, callahan, etc.) and shooting about 7 powerful bullets in a rain of fire would be beyond plausible.

When I asked for an explanation for plinks I meant like something that would make sense to a player. For example, the DVS has poison dripping, hence it deals poison. Autogun has...dud bullets?

Blitz is short range. That much is clear enough because the damage comes with the danger. Kiting with blitz will be beyond OP because of the damage. Nerfing the damage won't be effective, as mentioned several posts ago. Perhaps I'm not understanding your logic behind the range idea. I see blitz as a machine gun you set up to temporarily attack a close-by opponent. Not a grapeshot cannon. Also, how will you explain the lesser damage when close up? And what would be the point of encouraging ranged damage? The only reason to not use an autogun for damage (not counting for fun) is for the risk of standing still while having a short range and thus a nearby enemy.

@Coelydragon
If you hit an alchemer charge between two enemies, both enemies will get hit by the charge attack as well as all 12 or so recoils. This is very likely to instantly disintigrate them. This is also possible with enemies next to walls and can be done with some glitchery and luck on any enemy anywhere.

@Autofire
How about taking page from the Magnus line? Make the user slide backwards while firing the charge attack to prevent all bullets from being able to hit the same target too much. The user could also simply take a step backwards before unleashing the charge, as is the case with Divine Avenger.

Do players currently use Autoguns at a range or close up? Which is more effective currently?

Point blank has always been more effective. Especially with Volcanic Pepperbox on turrets and Lumbers, and Blitz on Trojans.

So who exactly are you to dictate how a weapon is to be used? Yes, it's amazing for close-range because it pops enemies in an instant but that doesn't mean it isn't used for wide-spread damage. And how exactly is decreasing the amount of bullets it fires not different from what you're suggesting; if an enemy can only be hit so many times anyway, what's the point in all the excess bullets striking the same target for no effect? It's basically the shard bomb issue all over, where hitting the same enemy with too many shards results in nothing happening - we're going backwards, not forwards.

As I said earlier, change how efficiently it performs (i.e. bullet density, clip size, ground-time, etc.) or how much damage it deals, and that's cool, but adding a hit limit because lolshardbombs is only going to cause more problems than it'll resolve.

@Thunder-the-bright
I can't explain shard plinks because they don't make sense and should probably be removed. And so you want a no-knockback blitzlaris?

@Zeddy
Absolutely true. However, the few people I know that are serious alchemer users have developed the skill of doing that. And you can't just do that with AT. You need to predict movement and speed. One of the rare weapons whose potential is unlocked through skill.
Also, I see the standing still thing as it were meant to be a machine gun with a tripod or unipod or whatever pod they have attached to fight the recoil. Having such a large recoil is definitely possible but would be extremely dangerous and not all that great (short range doesn't go well with large knockback although it would create a back-to-the-wall fighting style). How about adding chance of fire to user (disregard, bad idea)? Machine guns can backfire and light on fire. Especially the WWI ones. I'm going to stick with my spread shot concept though.

@Krakob
Exactly. It's good for hitting multiple enemies rather than overkilling one. And thus it should be treated as such. Close range, spread damage.

"While I want to see it on Alchemers and Brandishes as well, I'd rather see what's the most OP get nerfed first."

Blitz is able to oneshot a trojan.

Alchemers are able to oneshot several lumbers at once. At least Blitz is balanced out by being risky, useless in Lockdown, and having a terrible non-charge attack.

But you could get around that by making hit limits per enemy. Maybe adding inviciframes so bullets go thru one enemy, right into another?

Making the rest of the bullets completely useless ruins the point of it.

That would make ricochets pretty garbage when used legitimately. (As in not multihitting the same enemy with as many bullets as possible, but rather spread the damage out.)