Most people already know that you can buy it on the Asian server for Crystal Energy and i think that we should be able to get it too.
For everyone that thinks that this would break the Profit: You still need the CE, wich can be get from buying it with real money or farming a lot.
Buy Elevator Pass/Starter/Battle/OCH for CE
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:10
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:26
#2
Starter and Battle Packs? would you pay energy for energy - and trinket slots wich can already be bought with energy?
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:36
#3
-1
Ce for Ce < Genius >
And devs must eat something.
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:53
#4
Well,it would be more like a gift
I think that the starter/battle pack should be giftable to other players
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:28
#5
no get out.
no get out. you would crash the money made from this game. The servers would go down. The game would end. Everyone looses all because they made these things buy-able with CE. The game MIGHT live off a higher demand of CE but then the game would turn into 11k crowns for 100 ce very fast and only pay to play players would be around most of the time. -1 get out.
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:10
#6
How would that crash the money ?
The asian servers have the same thing, and they are still there. Adding this would add a way to get the dlc and other things for everyone. I'm sure that a lot of people would still buy the crystal energy, because that's the main source of profit(you can buy the starter/dlc/battle pack only once) so the servers wouldn't go down
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:00
#7
For everyone that thinks that this would break the Profit: You still need the CE, wich can be get from buying it with real money or farming a lot.
I guess you mean... Economy instead profit. and YES this would break the economy, sure we need the CE but i can wait for 2 weeks or 1 month to gather Ce to buy my elepass in a day i know i would have a lot of free time and free day to take advantage of my Epass lets say... in vacations?? i would make from my Elepass around 30k or 20k Ce if i buy it on vacations.
which would help me to buy another elepass and even to buy a elepass for my alts to make more profit and so on.. so why i would buy CE again from OOO? unless they give me a promo... but then again with that amount of CE i can buy the promo item from a player without buy CE from OOO. so there less reason to use real money and farming in that way inst a trouble.
The asian servers have the same thing, and they are still there. Adding this would add a way to get the dlc and other things for everyone. I'm sure that a lot of people would still buy the crystal energy, because that's the main source of profit(you can buy the starter/dlc/battle pack only once)so the servers wouldn't go down
The only thing i agree should be bought with CE its the DLC and OOO said already they are working on a way to add DLC in spiral knights to be traded or bought by players without need to spent real money (but they already have 1 year with this... thing and we dont have a word yet how things are going)
Also how do you know? OOO not only work and have servers for spiral knights. they have it for Puzzle Pirates, Dr Who Worlds MMo, Bang Howdy, Etc, Which. Spiral knights and Puzzle pirates probably are the 2 main games where OOO get their main Income... SO HOW DO YOU KNOW giving those things wouldnt affect OOO? they probably spent a lot funding those servers. While Cyber games (where Spiral Knights get their asian server) we dont know how well funded are they or if they get more profit from others games they host so they can give those options to trade CE for Ele passes and stuff...
The only thing that should be bought or trade with CE in game without need to spend real money its the DLC.
being able to trade CE for a elepass would make the Ce price raise a lot. would give a lot complains from F2P players, and p2p players less reason to buy from OOO
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:10
#8
I was writing up something
I was writing up something but Sweet-Hope pretty much put everything I wanted to say. /clap Sweet-Hope
Honestly, I know this isn't the topic to be discussed about but I don't understand why OOO can't just make Operation: Crimson Hammer a "Usable" item much like using a Trinket Slot with the exception that only one can be enabled at a time and it's enabled forever.
Back on-topic, everything Sweet-Hope said so -1@Topic.
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:28
#9
I want the OCH thing, that's all I really care about here. And, if I'm not mistaken, there are ways to buy groups of those packs to send to friends. Can't you imagine someone buying it that way? But EP is just a no. That's not what it was supposed to be.
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:38
#10
-1
Bad idea.. OOO wont make cash and that means that the servers would go downs cuz they haven't enough cash to continue all the game's progression!
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:50
#11
I heard that the CE prices on the Asian servers shot up to 10k+cr when elevator passes were made purchasable with steam. Now this was before the GH update, but they would still be rediculously high.
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 04:04
#12
Well
I think that the elevator pass wasn't a good idea, but imagine how many crowns p2p players can get with one elevator pass, so i think that we need a way to get them(add special tokens that you can buy for crowns/ce so you can get the pass with tokens.) The main idea of this topic was to add a way to get OCH.
Would it break the game if we could buy the starter pack/battle pack once per account with ce/crowns ?
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 04:44
#13
First of all, everything that deals with cash transactions are all by Sega. They own the game license, so they make the offers and stuff, and have been most likely pressuring OOO to create all the costumes and stuff.
Second, I think they restrict the number of packs purchasable to each account by one just to keep the game orderly. A pack by itself is worth more than the same amount in energy alone, so you wouldn't think they would try to give free stuff again would you? It is more of a promotion, first buy this, then buy more energy.
Just saying, this is Sega's choice, not OOO's. The difference in sales of these privileges directly shows that the game publisher are the ones altering the rights.
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:31
#14
Ok, so i changed many ideas of this
The main idea is that f2p players or other non steam spiral knights players can get the same content as p2p players.
Here are the things that are real money only:
Starter Pack
Battle Pack
Operation Crimson Hammer Dlc
Elevator Pass
Special Boxes(surge,hunter)
And i think that there should be a special token trader that sells the things for special tokens.
The special tokens could be bought by crowns and it would have a market like the energy(i'm not sure if this is a good idea, please post suggestions about it)
The Packs should be giftable.
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 07:50
#15
This would not at all help
This would not at all help the game. This would simply help f2p players and make the people who bought it with money before this happen feel like they are being punished. That could cause them to quit. That would cause the money OOO makes to go down. That would cause Sega to close the game down. We all lose. get out.
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 09:09
#16
This would help for non steam
This would help for non steam players, because they can't get this. Could you also be more constructive and not just say get out ? The players who bought the items would get some energy, so it's fair(most people who buy it are players who buy energy with real money, so it would be ok)
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 09:36
#17
Do you realize they'll be crazy expensive, right? More expensive than using real money.
Else people would buy raw energy then trade it for the packs ingame instead of buying the packs directly.
A starter pack would cost like 8000ce, and the items it gives are crap unless you're obssesed with a useless T1 green ward. Trinket and weapon slots get cheaper using mist alts or just buying them from AH. You get a one time only very small benefit.
It's not worth the time to implement such things.
Only OCH deserves it.
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 09:41
#18
I would add a trading
I would add a trading feature, a friend of mine started playing spiral knights and it would be good to send it to him. Also : Lockdown has a tier 1 option so it would be used(or with the new shield costume slot)
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:37
#19
eyes trying to see the end to another end
Operation Crimson Hammer... by my point of view... can be
you just need to pay the same amount in cash, using Crystal energy (but can't use mist energy)
not everybody have credit card to pay
but the other things, impossible
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 19:47
#20
Blitz, please learn more about the economy of this game before you start suggesting that everyone should have easier access to more money.
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:44
#21
This wouldn't break the
This wouldn't break the economy, you can buy the items only once, and if we would use crowns to buy it, it wouldn't event break the energy market
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 17:39
#22
You can trade CE for OCH via Steam traders. You need Steam and 2.5-4kce, however.
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 02:34
#23
Well, i'm not sure if the
Well, i'm not sure if the battle pack/starter pack are tradeable, i also thought that och wasn't. And i don't think that it will be easy to find people that trade it
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:19
#24
about the OCH:
I got my DLC as a gift, from my brother through the Steam
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:44
#25
hmmm
its a decent idea, considering i am banned from the money tree til i have my own :D
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 04:09
#26
The main idea of this topic
The main idea of this topic is to add a way to get the dlc/packs as a non steam/newgrounds/f2p player. The Asian server already has this feature, so i thought that it would be good to add this to the us servers too(i'm not the only one). Since crystal energy is the only thing that you can compare with real money(crowns per 100 crystal energy keep changing) i thought that it would be a good idea to add a npc that sells the och/balttle/starter packs for ce. Some people complained that this would break the market(wich is probably already broken because 100 ce used to cost 2000-3000 crowns and not 7000-8000. Or because kozma) but i don't think that the items would break it, because most players would buy it only once(battle pack/starter pack should be limited , so you can use the useable only once, or buy new ones and trade it to other players) . This would also add a way to trade it to non steam players, because the only way to currently trade it is with steam.(i'm not sure about the special priezeboxes(i think they should be a gift if you buy energy with crowns or with real money so everyone can have them, but it's ok if it stays like that, because you can still buy it from the market for a high amount of crowns) and the elevator pass.)
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 05:05
#27
Wait, the Asian server has
Wait, the Asian server has this feature? How?
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 05:07
#28
#1 Don't compare this to the Asian server. These pay-to-play features are one of the main focuses of the economics on the game, something that Gamecyber may not have thought through very well. If everything is to be so readily accessible, especially the elevator pass, then what will be the use of throwing money at Sega?
#2 Though I agree that OCH could be provided for the f2p, I find it hard to find the price. Fixed prices cannot be generated as the value of CE is always altering itself through its demand/supply market. Variable prices are possible, though quite impractical. It's that sort of double standard that keeps it a p2p-only feature, though trading of it is possible, but that is up to the player.
#3 If you are suggesting a way to make OCH tradable via non-steam, then good luck asking for people to agree on.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 06:21
#29
lol why is this thread still
lol why is this thread still here, it is obviously a flop.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 06:34
#30
I was told that its STEAM
I was told that its STEAM fault that OCH is not yet available for trade in official SK client, which is hardly to believe but i wont discuss it since any discussion about it ends up like playing chess with pigeon.
Other thing is why OOO is so stubborn and insist that only valid option is to make it tradeable within official client but not buyable with CE directly from NPC. Another problem with STEAM? Or its just OOO for some reason "likes" having problems with steam...
The only way for CE to get into game is to buy it from OOO, so every CE purchase that goes towards NPC is profitable for OOO. The price of OCH? It even don't need to be "equal" to its price, it can be 3.5k CE, 5k CE or even 8k CE (which alread is worth more than OCH) but OOO insist on making it traceable within official client which "unfortunately" is not possible due to "steam issues" while as we see on Gamecyber it is possible on the spot to make it buyable with CE.
Oh, oups i did it again. Now waiting for "stfu, OOO is werking on et, you didnt see those very old posts about upcoming features without certain informations and time-frames blablabla" or admin response about how bad i am to speak heresy like this and how OOO is working hard on making it happen.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 07:04
#31
@Asukalan
OCH is a dlc. If you haden't noticed OOO needs to make some money off of this game to keep it going. I agree that it is probably a lie that steam causes a issue with that system and would simply prefer they would bluntly say,"We will not be making OCH trade able because that would hurt the profit of the game. We understand this seems rather jerkish but you have to understand that if we don't make money with this game then we would have to slow down the updates even more, start droping servers, and eventualy close the game down. None of us what that to happen." or something like that.
I get that seems a bit like a coup out but it really is the answer and it does make seance.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 07:14
#33
Derpuraptor strikes back
Double post.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 07:17
#34
Yeah, because buying CE from
Yeah, because buying CE from Crystal Energy Depot and then burning it down in NPC purchase is not giving OOO money. Thats why they keep for so long Shadow Keys buyable from NPC for CE just to have no profits from it.
And secondly, OCH is not DLC. You dont download anything when you buy it. Its already in game, when you buy it most likely there is just simple change in some variables in your account related database and when client notices that, it just lets you access OCH by making appropriate buttons clickable.
@Above
That was quite a hilarious fail.
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:23
#35
Well, all of the packs and
Well, all of the packs and dlc are only buyable once, and i don't think that this would break something, because they earn money from crystal energy. About the price of the dlc in crowns/ce, it should be the same/higher than the real world price(i know that it would be a lot). And i don't think that it's good to have steam only features, it's a bit trolling to the newgrounds/online/non steam players because they can't get it
This should be directed to Sega, who never comes down here.