So what? AT increases a players fighting effectiveness against sword users? Don't use swords all the time then. Use a gun and shoot at them. Their attacks will be overly predictable (directly towards you) so you can hit them easier. And AT with bombs, that's hella fun because they combo right into them.
I didn't want to do this
I am late to the party, but I would like to point out to "Country/Contri/County/Contrie," Aequitas wouldn't let you in, even if u begged for it L-O-L.
Also.. Red has my full support.. if u think AA is OP, then take off ur darn p2w max defenses/resistance skolvers and ASI High/VH weapons.. Are you really that dumb to think AA is more OP than uvs? really? L-O-L
Btw if u really were pro, u wouldnt need to whine about stuff that is part of the game.. just shows u suck at it.
@feller
My version of your list
No AT
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GF easy
FF easy
brandish impossibru
valiance easy
antigua line medium
polaris - no need to freaking aim anyways
alchemers easy
with AT
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GF easy
FF easy
brandish easy
valiance easy
antigua line easy
polaris - still no need to freaking aim anyways
alchemers hard
yea, I see what you mean about AT making a few weapons easier.
"Brandish is a Very hard weapon to handle, but with a huge damage input and a fast combo (just FF is faster). With AT is an OP weapon, that can kill you with no skill at all, just spaming 3 hit combo, add valiance and you will get your attacks cutted and a player that don't miss a single hit. That's fake skill."
Yes, brandish with AT makes it OP. I stated that on my original post. However, it isn't "no skill at all". the people using it DO have skill, they just don't need as much.
Me and you both agree that AT makes a few weapons OP, but there's a difference between us
You're too stubborn to make use of this feature to make a few weapons OP, while I'm open-minded enough to try it out.
But yes, I agree that there should be an option to turn trinkets/AT/UV's off.
And his fail on the tournament is the perfect example of how a noob can be decent or great with AT and no skill.
Don't forget about Thengel or others that were considered "good" but without AT they just are a jelly from JK palace.
What about Ruby, that guy is a 3 hit combo only just like kyo.. Take OFF AT and you will have an accuracy of 0.002%
yeah, that just shows that he relies on it and isn't used to not using it. however, he's not straight up noob. hes just worse without AT. same with the others
Noob is a strong word.
But... How can I call your tribe then..???
The handless...
"AT is part of the game. it's free, you don't have to pay to use it. why don't you use it?
Because it's for noobs?"
Because even if everyone has access to it, I would rather be at a disadvantage than have my skill artificially magnified by the game.
"AT is part of the game, so are uv's and so are heart pendants. you use 2 of 3.
those 2 of 3 are p2w. so now you're PAYING to be "pro" and yet you complain about "noob features"?"
-I don't use UVs.
-I use heart trinkets (not fully upgraded in T3 yet) after a year+ protest of them, because I could no longer compete and have fun, or get better, in an environment where everyone around me had twice my health, and I didn't have twice their skill. You could begin to argue that I just needed to get better instead of "giving in", but it doesn't quite work that way. Because the gap between my and my rivals' results (and "augmented" skill level) was so high, I couldn't effectively train. How can you get better at advanced techniques when you die in two hits? Answer, you realistically can't. It's good to play with someone who is better than you are - but not so much better that they kill you in a virtual instant, without giving you a chance to learn anything from them. I used to do fine - back when everyone had as much HP as I did. Then trinkets came along, and I was left behind. I needed a way to "catch up" so I could continue to improve. Had I the level of skill to be competitive and improve even more without them, I would gladly take them off. I hope to reach that level someday.
In short, I use HP trinks because they are more OP than AT - you simply cannot compete without them without tremendous amounts of skill - which I don't have.
"I didn't mention FF or GF for a simple reason, they have a wider range, not like Brandish that need the same accouracy of a Leviathan. AT is needed or you will fail."
exactly. you're using a EASY TO USE weapon, and then call people who use the HARDER TO USE weapons "noobs"
Not the people who use the harder-to-use weapons, the people who use the harder weapons and then completely erase the difficult part - the aiming - by using AT. More effectiveness, same effort.
"I currently use ancient and a kat mask, is been a year since I don't wear my million CE skolver."
yeah, the kat mask ONLY costs 20kce. don't worry about it..
"We need a lobby, but if we have a no-AT option I'll play alone or with just 4 more people.."
I completely agree with you there
Me too ^_^
No AT
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GF medium
FF medium
brandish holy god how does anyone do this
valiance pretty easy
antigua line suprisingly not extremely easy
polaris - n/a
alchemers medium
hammer pretty easy
with AT
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GF easy
FF easy
brandish easy
valiance easy
antigua line easy
polaris - n/a
alchemers slightly closer to hard than medium
hammer no skill required
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Spam/full combo only:
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No AT:
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GF medium-hard
Flourish suicide
Brandish medium
Valiance medium-easy
Antigua easy
Alchemers hard
Hammer medium
With AT:
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GF medium-easy
FF just point at them and they die
Brandish easy
Valiance good luck to them ever getting near you
Antigua stun locking till the end of time
Alchemers hard-a little harder
Hammer they should just leave the game
See the problem? AT takes the least effective, easiest tactic - pointing at the enemy and clicking until your mouse button breaks - and turns it into a potent "playstyle" without the user ever needing any skill beyond keeping their cursor on the target.
Yeah, as those who have met me in lockdown before already know, I suck using the levi...oh well.
And, because why not, I'll make a list based on my own experiences (I have 4 bar fluctuating connection, with an average of 1-2 sec delay)
No AT:
Sealed lines-easy (hitbox is pretty huge)
Flourish- easy (had a rigadoon, not too bad to handle)
Levi/brandish- very hard (don't be an idiot and use a levi in LD like me...)
Sudaruska-/Triglav- hard (hitbox is reasonable, but it is SO F'IN SLOW)
WHB/DVS- Medium (guaranteed to get a hit off, but dmg is CRAP)
Hammer- Very Easy (First hit is sorta fast, but dash throws people off)
Valiance- easy
Alchemers- medium
Antigua- easy
Magnus- hard
Blitz- very hard
(With guns, it depends on your ping: lower ping = less having to lredict where opponent is gonna be = happier gunning)
With AA:
Sealed- Slightly easier
Flourish- Very easy
Levi/brandish- Easy
Suda/Triglav- No difference, cause its so DANG SLOW
Hammer- Too easy
WHB/DVS- medium- sword still sucks
Valiance: Easier
Antigua: Easier
Magnus: Easier
Alchemer: Easier (with higher ping)
Probably forgot a few things here and there, but I honestly don't care. This is based off experience (everything but magnus and val), so yeah. AA helps, but it depends on your ping.
Probably the only thread by Redblades that didn't get locked/graveyarded...
@reto-da-liz
shh don't say that, they're gonna lock this too!
I like seeing people rage about AT. there's also some comments that make me rethink about my opinion on AT, cause I'm pretty open about this stuff.
@theirillusion
yey logic in a post
It could be that AT noobs (AT noobs, please read AT users) only use AT because they feel unsuperior among other AT noobs.
It would solve everything if no one were able to use it.
@theirillusion
I take back my comment about "logic in a post"
What if GMs all use AT and they don't want to create lobbies/eliminate AT cause they would get pwned?
(ban incoming?)
@reto da litz
Temporary ban
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Insulting the GM's
You will not be able to login again until Febuary 69 3201, 2:53:19 PM EDT. Further insulting will result in a permanent ban. (as if this wasn't permanent enough)
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"You can't be such a depraved bastard..."
Permanent 10x striker boost, invincibility, and ban hammers? I think AT is the least of their worries.
Auto target for this game heavily benefits flourish, cutter, and hammer lines
Moderately benefits brandish, Calibur lines
Does not benefit guns or bombs unless target is stationary or moving very slowly.
Rarely benefits sealed, troika lines
I'll put it simple, with just the first swing of every LD weapon in a dancing battle situation.
No AT
FF hard difficulty
GF hard difficulty
Brandish Very hard
Valiance médium
Antigua medium
Polaris easy
Alchemers Hard
With AT
Everything
Very easy x10
Brandish is a Very hard weapon to handle, but with a huge damage input and a fast combo (just FF is faster). With AT is an OP weapon, that can kill you with no skill at all, just spaming 3 hit combo, add valiance and you will get your attacks cutted and a player that don't miss a single hit. That's fake skill.
We need options, I'm quite sure NO ONE will use valiance or Brandish in a Free-AT server... and if someone use it.. Will get r@ped baddly