Spiral Knights - Lockdown as a stand-alone game (This gotta be on GD, since it's not really about PvP stuff)

Lockdown as a stand-alone game (This gotta be on GD, since it's not really about PvP stuff)

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Tue, 07/09/2013 - 14:22

Dendios

So... What do you think of Lockdown being made as a standalone game, without the PvE aspect of SK? For example:

1. Company X buys the rights of LD from OOO/Sega
2. Company X develops LD into a whole new level, with better balancing, maps, weapons, mechanics etc.
3. Company X publishes this game as a branch game of SK, the original.

Do you think that Lockdown would be able to survive, and rival other MMO PvP games out there, like Dota/LoL/WoW etc? Do you think it will have a large audience and popularity? Does even LD have potential to be something like that? Or is it a normal PvP side-game like many others game have?

Discuss. :3

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 17:33

Neodasus

The concept itself is cheap,

The concept itself is cheap, and has been seen dozens of times in the f2p market. What needs to be done is to have something similar to LD but still retain comprehensive controller support. It needs to touch both groups; moba and fighting. I wanted to work on this project with my team but we're getting ready to work on some oculus rift gimmicks instead for our senior project. I hope someone does this one day.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 06:32

Fehzor

It'd have some tough competition, just like it already does, and I really don't think it could even begin to pull its weight on its own.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 06:48

Klipik-Forum

What everyone else said.

LD works well as a part of SK, because the thing giving it it's uniqueness right now is the PvE connection. Without that, it's just another domination/dominion gametype.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 07:26

Dendios

I see... Guess I won't see an international SK tournament by any chance then.

Is sad...

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 08:05

Redblades

with weapon balancing, no AT, bomb buff, more game types, match balncing, private matches, etc..I think it would work. as of now? that's a waste of money.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 13:33

Jamie-Laannister

yup

i think it would work

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:23

Klipik-Forum

But

With some balancing, and custom lobbies, it could work out to be competitive. Just not as a stand-alone. Something like WoW arena - it's not a stand alone game, but they still have tournaments.

eSports ftw! <3

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 03:20

Theirillusion

@OP

No i don't.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 03:45

Thunderbog

Why do ye want them to do this?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 06:09

#10

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

ARPG Multiple King of the hill isn't copyrighted to SK

Nobody has to buy it from them...

2. Company X develops LD into a whole new level, with better balancing, maps, weapons, mechanics, etc.

So not LD anymore? There isn't much good ARPG out there outside Diablo (and even then, it's debatable NOW) and a few others... PvP is more about bashing your foe with better gear than King of the Hill, and even in LD a lot of people only care for K/D and not even the objective, how many Polaris wall Thread have we seen? How many AA Thread have we seen? There is a reason why King of the Hill and Bomberman Deathmatch aren't appealing anymore, they are old and got recycled soo many time.

Although it would be great to see an ARPG PvP type game (Conker Bad Fur Day did it great on N64 for it's time IMO) with loads of gametype but I doubt King of the Hill would be the most played one. Deathmatch has always been the most sought out one... LD is just zerg pushing sometimes with those ce revs...

That's why MOBA got so big while I did not even paid attention to DotA. I was in Wintermaul wars, Maze of Skill, Preschool war, Hero war and hero siege at that time... It has deathmatches (teamfight, 1v1, ganks, etc.) and has objectives too (turret, nexus, minions) with extra (itemization, Baron buff, blue buff, etc.) and other extra (summoner spell, runes, masteries, champion)

LD has to be reworked out so much for it to be successful that it is not even relevant to the gametype but only putting it into a bigger game.

The map would need to be reworked and not have so many or having like TF2 and giving the community the tools to make map and vote them.

It could be done. I can see a LoL alike LD type game coming out soon. Leveling would grant you gold you could spend buying items off-game to switch your pre-sets in-game weapons.

With extras along the way like vision turret you can build or take the enemy one down and build your there. A lot can be done but a lot need to be worked out too.

I just like speculating and chatting ^ ^

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 06:19

#11

Abelisk

Shamanala is correct. Lockdown is inspired by "King of the Hill", which is to capture points, or in that case, the "Hills". A company can simply get the "King of the Hill" game-style, and make a game of their own. It's like tag; tag is literally used everywhere.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:11

#12

Gwenyvier

Think Shamanala summed it up

Think Shamanala summed it up pretty well. As a mini-game it works just fine, although obviously imbalanced. As a stand alone it would need so much reworking done to it that it wouldn't be worth the money. Among other things you'd probably see a nerfing of striker (most likely either they'd keep their boost and lose the sword buffs, or keep the sword buffs and lose the boost, or a large nerf to the boost), reworking or removing of several weapons (Toothpicks, Hammer, Pulsar), removal of the CE revs (as a minigame it is a good way to siphon off some CE from the game, but it allows players or groups to go full zerg horde and would break a stand alone game), possibly the removal of trinkets also... or maybe just Heart Trinkets.

The nerf to striker would probably be a given in any stand alone game. There are good Recons and Guardians, but the skill level to play them effectively is much higher than Striker. When 90% of the players pick that class it is rather obvious that the class is OP compared to the others.

~Gwen

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