I play T2 LD at times. I originally got into it thanks to a friend who only had gear for T2. I like T2 LD though. You know why? There isn't necessarily thirtythreethousandeighthundredseventyone pricks in every game whining about AT or the connection they refuse to upgrade or others' ASI low UVs.

There's of course the occasional jerkface but dealing with just one is not much of a problem after having played hundreds of matches in the !@#$hole we know as T3 LD.

Regardless, I usually don't play too seriously in T2 LD because there's no need for it.

"Here is a non idiotic response, unlike the other"

/laugh

And I had an idiotic response? Please point out the idiotic part of my comment. =)

You try playing Tier 3, with 300ms ping or more, and tell me a random toothpick combo is easy to dodge. Not to mention the health/damage ratio means no trinks = death. And those Gran Faust combos? Good luck with that.

@Voza: Why would they be too pathetic to play in T3? It feels like a random insult for no reason. Besides, if I were rich enough to get all those ridiculous vhigh/max UVs why would I play in T2? Maybe that statement applies to some people, but really.

@OP Look here, I have seen a TON OF KNIGHT ELITES beating so called sea of vanguards... And no, I don't take fun in beating 2* newbies. I don't get what's wrong with the rank. I could well be creating a new character, make it a mere recruit rank, gift it some 3* gear and do the same thing... Ranks are a lie, it just happens that most Vanguards have well played the game long enough to have experience to beat some of you.

Remember that we are not using 5* gear in T2. We use the same gear- maybe some richer ones stack UVs on them, but that's beside my point- It's really more of a who can play better and who doesn't. And to answer that, I have seen many knight elites beat me. Maybe if I had those 4bar connections, I could probably just destroy Tier 2, and get bored and move on to T3, but I don't.

@Owao

Not to mention the health/damage ratio means no trinks = death

It's not necessary to have trinks. You should watch me playing ld, since I don't use any heart trinks at all and I still manage to get decent damage/cap/def numbers.

I am a vanguard, and I play T2 because I like the pacing and fighting style better. I don't want to play a game where everyone dies in one combo.

And if I'm not mistaken... didn't you used to be T3, too?

T3 is boring sometimes, too.

A lot of people like T2 lockdown because it isn't as unbalanaced as T3 lockdown. That said, it's hard to be sure if you're complaining about the skill level or the gear of said vanguards. If you didn't already know, being a vanguard does not give people extra skill, it just says that they've done the missions. I've played this game for longer that a lot of vanguards, and I have no desire to become a vanguard because there isn't really any real reason to try to become one.

I needed Valiance line recipes... So I was forced to do missions...

@Gshockhawk: T3 Lockdown is where you need to buy UVs to be a "pro", and players with triple max UVs + Love Lockets will still die in about 4 hits. Vanguards like me choose Tier 2 lockdown mostly because Tier 2 lockdown is so much easier to make gear for, and you don't measily die in 4 hits... Not all vanguards are rich man... I even sold ALL of my 5* gear for 90k crowns... yeah Vanguards can be poor too... at least I have my honor gear and my trusty rocket hammers... so please don't question why Vanguards shouldn't play Tier 2 lockdown. Thanks! .-.

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@Demete: If you're gonna say that to me with a 3-4bar connection then whatever. Say that to me on a 1 bar connection and I shall respect you.

EDIT: I said the above in a rush, let me elaborate here.

Throwing all gear aside the thing about connection makes the game unbalanced in a way. No, throw your connection/server arguments aside first. Now the average player who have 3-4bars of connection are probably not gonna get hit from miles away. No, they get to hit what they see exactly where they are. Now bring this to the next point.

I'm gonna talk about strikers. Throw your arguments about classes aside for now. So as you know, Strikers get a -3hp penalty in Tier one and two- Not three, but not like it matters because you're most likely gonna die in two hits anyway. And that's without pendants. Now bring this back to the first point. You can dodge, you can hit things, most things a 4barer can do on your 1bar ping... Then bam, suddenly a miraculous toothpick swing from halfway across the swing hits you, and a combo kills you while you're inside your base.

You're gonna say, "their fault for not reacting fast enough", "it's not my fault they have bad connection", "they should learn to predict and dodge". Then I will ask you, how many of you can do the same? I'm not even gonna touch on autotarget. Heck, a brandish can range me from 3 squares away or more. My flourish swings slower than a Sudaruska. It's hilarious.

So where does this all come in?

Yes, you don't need trinkets to be good. You can run in proto with just one 1* heart trinket and probably kill someone before dying in 1 hit. However, I hope you understand from my 1barer viewpoint that I'm naturally inclined to speak based on MY experiences, that is, you could be on a kill streak and some random brandish comes from nowhere and kill you or the like. Of course, I'm talking about the mainstream striker class here.

Guardians and Recons are another case, and anyone can feel free to discuss about that. My point here is made and done with.

@Skyguarder You correct grammar, the #1 sign of being [removed]. And you just responded by calling him jealous and telling him to use AT. Really?

@Owao

I only pointed out that that was true of 90% of players, as the other 10% are rich enough to get an OP T2 set. The only reason I think T2 is lame is because if you are experienced T3, you are basically picking on the poor nubs who just started learning how to lockdown, which is pretty pathetic imo.

Also, I saw an Ash tail with a blizzbrand scoop up 10k dmg. That is pretty impressive. Also, no heart trinks of UVs.

I know I am not getting my point across well, but I'm saying its pathetic to go down and pick on T2 nubs as T3. Its even sadder if you fail at beating them as a vanguard. And you don't need UVs to succeed, or heart trink to succeed.

For the record, I only posses 1 set, 1 sword, 1 LD gun. Making a second set. Also, my stuff surprisingly doesnt include any GFs or Flourishes. I am a proud hammer spammer.

Edit: Please do not use inappropriate language on these forums.

@Owao
The asian server sucks so I play with 1 bar ALL the time. My fps drops to freakin 9 sometimes and all I get is players that are crawling on the wall like spiders for God sake.

Living in Russia isn't the best place to play SK for sure. I once litterary came out of the ground, imagine how laggy I was at that moment. Sometimes I even wonder how I'd survided all these years of playing this game. So yeah that's my point.

~Mr.D