So I'm thinking about doing away with my Avenger (Gawd I hate that weapon...) for a Dread Vile Striker. Since cutters are super cheap, I was wondering what UVs would be ideal. How much Attack Speed Increase would actually help and would I ever really use the charge attack for anything big?
My main weapon is going to be an Acheron and I usually party up with a Dual-gun player.
Thanks!
If you are going to go with the cutter line, I would suggest you bring a bomb. This is because cutters have absolutely no crowd control, and when you have large quantities of jellys or mecha knights or devilites following you, you'll want a bomb to drop and strafe with. For this bomb, I would suggest crafting both ash of agni and voltaic tempest. If you don't want to make both, you can be cheap and make the normal shard bomb. These bombs all work well when you strafe about, and are less support oriented than something like electron vortex. Cutters get good support from shiver, but shiver does not give you the damage needed for crowd control. Electron vortex/graviton vortex do, but they would restrict you to certain types of crowds, and both are poor choices for fighting some enemies.
For a UV, you'll want to get ASI on your cutter. The charge attack of the cutters is usable, but is on par with the charge attack of antigua lines- it holds you still and you're likely to take damage. Damage is good, but isn't as valuable since you can just get a sword-boosting armor, or black kat hat or whatever armor for it. Having damage buffs on weapons makes them specific to a place, and even then, not all monsters have a family.
I agree with what the others have said. Here is my detailed sword guide. Here are the Lancer Knightz data, giving you some idea of how much effect ASI has.
Cutters are perhaps the hardest swords to use safely on Tier 3. They also do mediocre damage and knockback, and their charge attacks are not easy to use safely. But they are fun. (Unfortunately, that's about all I can say for them.)
Really? With moderately good damage increase, I find cutters to have great damage. ~250 damage per strike in Stratum 6. I recently rolled Undead Medium on my beloved DVS and I don't consider many UVs to be better. Just a bit sad about the fact that my CIV is more or less completely obsoleted with an Undead VH Suda, an Undead Medium DVS and an Undead Medium+CTR Low Triglav in the making. I like CIV.
I don't understand what you're saying "Really?" to. Was it my assertion that DVS and WHB do mediocre damage? Yes, DVS and WHB do damage, and that damage kills monsters, but other swords do even more damage. Yes, having damage bonus helps, but having damage bonus also helps other swords.
Try a brandish... or you know.... something other than cutter...
Cutters are for 5*'s who are endgame to have fun. That's about as good as it gets... their damage is outdone rather easily, and you'd get kicked out less with a CIV in your hands...
If your main is gonna be a nightblade, get that thing a cousin to run around with. I'd also suggest a very, very extensive look into how you want your endgame to look. Most people choose "kiddie hell" ala FSC grind all day long... if you'd like an alternate, know that the arcade typically contains either elemental/shadow weak creatures and a brandish of any kind will likely be all you require.
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Yes, indeed. I find cutters to have quite awesome damage. Obviously it's not as high as a Combuster but cutters are most certainly not mediocre in damage. You know, one of my favourite strategies in the game is to plop an EV and charge my WHB in Wolver Dens. It is as far as I'm concerned just as fast as using a Flourish, or even a Flourish with EV. In the end you'd honestly be better of with a DBB but hey, we're swordsmen.
Cutters have decent damage. Relatively high for a normal type weapon, provided you account for how the damage buffs all work in its favor more so than for many other weapons. For a normal type weapon. It will always be less than specialized damage. But it is a usable choice, provided that you are able to back it up with some crowd control. Which it lacks almost entirely.
Exactly! Cutters aren't often the best but they're unstoppable* with a good crowd control bomb at hand!
People kick people out of parties for having bad weapons? I have had parties on Jelly king parties with people with blitz and magnus before. :/ Glad I haven't met them.
I read your guide again Bopp and I read all of the comments.
I think I'm definitely going to do away with my Avenger and make a Combuster or a Glacius.
I'd really like to go for Combuster, but I think the freeze on Glacius compliments my friend's set-up, since he's using a swiftstrike buckler for his shield and could potentially save him by granting a bit of distance. Thoughts on this at all? (I'd also like to have a good sword for Lockdown and FSC, if that's possible)
Glacius' charge often freezes. Obviously freeze can be extremely useful. On the other hand, freeze hinders kiting, knockback, and shield bumping. In particular, monsters are frequently frozen midway through Glacius' charge attack, so that they don't ride the whole wave of explosions. Thus Glacius' charge attack does not do as much damage as it could, and its knockback is unpredictable. In contrast, fire doesn't cancel knockback, so monsters always ride the entire Combuster charge attack, for massive damage and big, predictable knockback. Now, for your three questions:
Friend: Your friend might appreciate freeze, and he might dislike the big knockback of Combuster charges. On the other hand, he might appreciate predictable knockback, and, if he kites a lot, then he may actively dislike freeze. So it's a toss-up. Just ask him which one he would prefer?
Lockdown: Someone else will help you on that.
Firestorm Citadel: I have both Glacius and Combuster, and I feel very strongly that Combuster is much stronger in FSC, for the reasons that I outline above. It's true that most of the monsters in FSC resist fire, and so Combuster basically has no status. That doesn't matter. The raw damage on the charge attack is enormous. (By the way, I also prefer Divine Avenger over Glacius in FSC.)
I prefer Glacius in LD, due to the freeze. A freeze lock means you get two charges on the enemy which basically means that they are dead. Combuster gets the same infliction chance and no more knockback than Glacius in LD. In the end, it's just a comparison of statuses. Fire might get your enemy killed as it runs back to its base while Freeze will pretty much guarantee the enemy's death if you perform another charge.
More like "average" with a good crowd control bomb. Other swords don't need a good crowd control bomb. Our friends the cutters do though.
I never used swords over 3 star being a pure gunslinger... but cutter is a normal damaging weapon while avenger is elemental, so keep this in mind especially if you will farm FSC like the most of the players...
However, an avengers knockback tends to make all the bullets miss
Attack speed increase and damage would be ideal probably because the charge attack is suicidal according to the trustworthy sword guide made by Bopp.
Lancer Knight data suggests that ASI over +4 (maybe I'm wrong, its all numbers), would have no difference from +4 (high).
If your gunner spams trollaris you got no hope of playing with him