I have deleted all content of this thread. I wasn't thinking when i made it. I am not going to post on forums again. If i was being rude/insulting/really mean please send in game message to Agenta. I will reply with crowns, ce, materials, accessories, whatever you want, if i have it. I mainly have party accessories. I will personally asked OOO's to delete the original version of this thread.
Farewell-
Agenta
Please don't capslock spam, it doesn't make them want to read your mega-thread more.
Methinks you're assuming things that you can't possibly predict.
Seraphynx is going to add a wonderful defensive and more tactical advantage to combat and soloing- which many people do a lot.
I'm not a girl, but I imagine that if I were I'd be pretty offended by your post- which implies that Seraphynx is a useless and weak battle sprite- and that those traits are incurably correlated to that gender.
FYI, I don't play test servers, but am fairly confident that OOO is trying to get the abilities of each sprite as perfectly correct as they can- which is why they're taking so long to release them.
I do agree with your other point though; the one about revives being more about team play than not.
It should remain a team game, and yeah, well spotted- them turning revives a one-person ability is mostly just because they are trying to get rid of players who bring along alts just to rez the party and then promptly leave.
So typical that when people find a loop-hole to get by, greedy fat cats have to change the rules so it is no longer possible to avoid spending more and more cash.
Hopefully they will leave us with elevator passes at this point...at the same price too. But yeah, I'm not expecting much from this 'update'.
Many years as a WoW gamer have taught me that the term 'update' no longer means what it implies.
Usually it's a disguised nerf, well advertised and boosted so that the masses don't recognize it.
Oh well...I guess it's only a matter of time until OOO goes the same way...time to start looking into other games maybe?
Sincerely,
Kloriff.
Even though I don't have access to the Test Server I would like to say some of my own feedback regarding what has been posted. I will start with sprites.
Erm. That's like commenting on a thread that you haven't read the OP of.
2: Seraphynx: Via what iIhave seen the Seraphynx will only be chosen by 1: Girls, 2: those who want to help people rather then hurt monsters (there are few of that type of people), and 3: people who think the heart attack actually works. This is because of 1: it's cuteness, 2: most people prefer to damage the monsters, and 3: because most people will think the heart attack works, until they learn it doesn't.
So you think that people won't choose the Seraphynx due to a bug it has in its developmental phase that will be ironed out before launch?
That's like not buying a cake because it looks like slop before it's cooked.
4: I hear that battle sprites are Crowns/Heat/Material/Mineral sinks. A way to fix this is to either (1): Decrease the stuff needed to make what is needed to quickly revive sprites. (2): Make it so the sprites take less heat to level up. (3): Make it so sprites take a new type of drop to level up, I was thinking about something similar to heat.
Why are you trying to "fix" a crown/heat/material/mineral sink? Sinks are good things, not bad. What do you mean by "revive" sprites? The Sprites do take a new type of drop to level up. They're called preferred foods. Maybe you shouldn't be giving feedback on something you know little about.
Keep in mind that crafting with the high as hell CE prices is what makes you money. People want to craft something quickly because they are, 1: not patient, 2: are in a rush to do something, 3: are tired of missions, or 4: they want to get through the mission quicker, so they buy CE, a heat amplifier, and an elevator pass so they can level it quickly, and craft it quickly. So unless the orbs are either 1: expensive, 2: able to be bought with the P2P specials (starter pack, explorers pack, ETC), or 3: have a very low spawn rate, many people wont be buying CE. And remember that the current alchemy system is one of the few things that are the same about the original Spiral Knights, the one before missions and all the other updates.
The orbs of alchemy aren't going to change the price of the average craft. People who want their items faster though will end up spending more CE than people who are patient.
There is a difference between fake and real difficulty. Fake difficulty is when the illusion of more difficulty is added. Real difficulty is when actual difficulty is added.
You're a little slow. If you're going to read the Testing Feedback without playing on the Testing Server, at least read the whole thing so you know what you're talking about. Real difficulty is already going to be added in the future.
To make it so people HAVE to buy Sparks of Life to revive, making it so people buy more sparks of life with CE
Wrong. Revives are now far more easily bought with mist because they can be prepurchased, and used when the player is low on mist.
And I also hear that sparks of life are going to be 50 Energy each
Once again, you're basing your argument around false rumours. Please just stop, (hammertime) right now, and go back to the Testing Feedback forum and read every single thread there, because you seem to be skipping over all the most important details.
Adding equipment limits makes it so people have to do missions to use the free/promotion gear, for instance the gear you get from bosses, the gear from OCH, the gear from Margrel. This will make it so players can't get 1 set of gear and use it for missions (for instance the Ancient Plate Set and a FoV from FSC)
That's the point. Too many noobs were being thrust way too far in the missions without being prepared skill-wise because they'd been dragged through OCH to get their free 5 star equipment. This meant that Vanguards who actually deserved the Vanguard title were being begged for revives whenever they partied up with randoms. This is frustrating for everyone.
I've heard about these, and I DON'T like them! I've heard you have to be the rank of a mission, to do that mission. This will prevent people of defender elite and lower from doing vana, and bypassing missions for equipment limits (see the previous topic) This will only show that OOO's is very greedy.
They're not being greedy, you're being completely ignorant and self-centred. By preventing people from jumping up into missions they shouldn't be, the average income of crowns for everyone will go down, which means CE prices go down because there are less crowns in circulation. When CE prices go down, there is less incentive to purchase CE with real money, both for crafting 5 star gear (that low ranked players can no longer access) or achieving quick wealth (which is more difficult due to dropped CE prices) which means that OOO gets less cash.
Why should only people with alts benefit? This is unfair on everyone else, as everyone else is forced to pay higher CE prices just because a few people are abusing the ability to drag alts through FSC for higher profit.
OOO is finally fixing this, putting noobs in their respective missions until they're actually worthy of doing something more challenging, and preventing people from revive begging. PROBLEMS SOLVED.
I guess you're just not used of Roguelike games.
before analizing, I tell you know: go get informed.
now, the particulars:
1 for the sprites, they resemble playstyles: drakon is direct attack, seraphynx is defensive-support, maskeraith is damage-supporting. people will choose on what they want to do with them.
2
I hear that battle sprites are Crowns/Heat/Material/Mineral sinks. A way to fix this is to either
no need to fix. sinks that don't require energy (or require little energy) are good for ce prices. don't you want ce prices to be lowered?
3 orbs. yes, crafting (or, well, ragecrafting) is one of the major energy sinks in game. orbs are not changing the system. the prices will stay the same, and you can buy lots of orbs with energy and then ragecraft. it's only going to add a step.
4 loot system: yes, you have to go take your loot. personally, I'll stick toghether with someone who goes for the more loot option, so I get the loot. even in D25 FSC, I'll go with somebody, maybe doing the room near him so I get the loot afterwards. you can easily say : everybody, first left side, then take the loot, then right side. you have the "less time" factor, you only have to go in each room like you were searching for pills. other levels have splits, but since there is only one way to the elevator, it's just about sticking toghether.
5 difficulty system: some things to say:
a) as the difficulty lowers, so does the payout, even if not in the radical way you described.
b) the initial relaease of the difficulty will be only inflated enemies, but nick said that there will be moar.
c) on elite difficulty, there will be no heart drops.
d) there is no d point.
6 revive system: re-read your quote. does nick says that health sharing demoted teamwork? no. health sharing was an obstacle to complete levels, as low health= near death. that was their reasoning. aslo, as zeddy said, now you get 4x the pills and hearts, so it won't be a problem to stay at full health. also, we get one free revive per level, so it won't be a problem even if we die once.
7 equip restriction:
a) if you have a 5* equip bound to you, you will have 5* clearance.
b) giving a black kat cowl, a perfect seerus mask and a WRH to a 1* shouldn't have been possible. 5* gear should be for experianced players, not the ones still in development of their skills. first skills, than more power.
c) new people should see the story development. in other games, this is made by exp and leveling. here, by gear restriction, becuase there is no other way.
d) again, there is no d point.
8 level restriction: what level restriction? there is no level restriction. it should be so so that people get skill before power, but it's not so.
9 oh and yes, many of these things are to prevent alt farming. except now you can get orbs of alchemy with mist, so more alts =more orbs. I would hope that this gets fixed, but I think it's a strong nope. well, at least there will be no more FSC alt farming.
10 if you think OOO is greedy, you have never seen some other games. there are more ways, more subtle, to get money.
2: Seraphynx: Via what iIhave seen the Seraphynx will only be chosen by 1: Girls, 2: those who want to help people rather then hurt monsters (there are few of that type of people), and 3: people who think the heart attack actually works. This is because of 1: it's cuteness, 2: most people prefer to damage the monsters, and 3: because most people will think the heart attack works, until they learn it doesn't.
Yes, I will choose the Seraphynx because it is [censored]-ing cute! :3
I'm not a girl, but I imagine that if I were I'd be pretty offended by your post- which implies that Seraphynx is a useless and weak battle sprite- and that those traits are incurably correlated to that gender. ~Kloriff
I'd be offended too; it implies that Seraphynx is a useless and weak sprite, and those traits do correlate to that gender. - 3- All we Seraphynx-lovers only want [censored]-ing cute pets that follow you wherever you go, and heal when you're in danger...
I gave up when I read the girl part. Just kidding. I just saw it in another post.
@Malsvirbranea
Ha ha, your welcome. ^.^
I wonder if Agenta is going to actually come back and read these posts or if he/she/it is pulling a "PLSPUTTHISINTHNXBY" on us.
This is the part where I mention that this is a re-posting of a thread that got locked and graveyarded once already.
Dat forum ban in bound. I love the smell of terrible forum members being smothered and ripped apart by a hoard of snips in the morning.
Drakon will be the most popular sprite, because of it's 1: high damage, 2: it's high usefulness for each Shadow Lair except for RRT, 3: and it's skills.
Not necessarily. Fire is worthless in FSC.
Seraphynx will only be chosen by 1: Girls This is insulting to all boys who chose Sera. Furthermore, why is it bad if someone likes a Sprite for how it looks? That's absolutely fine.
3: people who think the heart attack actually works. As of now, Heart Attack is BROKEN!! They need to fix it, darn it! What's in the testing server IS NOT FINAL! Now enough shouting...
2: The hex has very high damage, Quite false. It's disruptive, but not damaging.
3: and because of looks. No. This isn't a problem.
Sprites are supposed to be currency sinks to help the economy.
Everything you say about orbs is primarily a guess. For all you know, they may be somewhat cheap, and they drop in levels. (But not in the testing server yet.)
Your loot system suggestion is the ok. It would work, IMO...except it would ENCOURAGE multibox farming. When I pick up a mat, all my alts who are with me will get duplicates, allowing me to get 4 of the same item, even gear! This is an issue...
Now for the difficulty settings. NOTE: This is a long one because of its complexities, and because of other stuff. IF YOU DON'T READ ALL OF IT OOO's I MAY CALL YOU LAZY!!!
Ha ha, ok, tell me, did OOO read your suggestion yet? We have no clue because they virtually never post in the suggestions forums. Yes, they DO read the suggestions forums, no they DO NOT post in them.
About the difficulty, see this post.
Stop saying OOO is greedy! Did you ever look at OTHER companies? CE reving, while it will become more common, will help people who die alot to learn NOT to die. While at first more CE will be used, the playerbase will quickly get better at the game in order to adjust. Sparks of Life can also randomly drop from enemies. Also, if you die twice, instead of costing 10 + 20 = 30, it will cost 10 + 10 = 20.
but make it so people can choose when they want to use it. Good idea.
I've heard about these, and I DON'T like them! I've heard you have to be the rank of a mission, to do that mission. This will prevent people of defender elite and lower from doing vana, and bypassing missions for equipment limits (see the previous topic) This will only show that OOO's is very greedy.
This has been requested many times by the playerbase. It's economy ruining to have noobs and alts in FSC, because it drives the price of CE up.
IF YOU WANT MORE MONEY EITHER 1: GET ANOTHER JOB AS WELL AS YOUR CURRENT, OR 2: MAKE MORE GOOD GAMES THAT AREN'T F2P. DONT TURN F2P GAMES INTO P2P GAMES! IF THIS UPDATE HAPPENS AS IT IS HALF OF EVERY SPIRAL KNIGHTS PLAYER WILL QUIT SK, MANY OF WHICH MIGHT BE THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN YOU MONEY! I HOPE YOU GET THE MESSAGE!!!!!!
I lol'd. They're a company. Did you ever see their main page?
While there are some good points in this thread, it's a really mixed bag! :o