Spiral Knights - Make Swiftrike Buckler a boss token item

Make Swiftrike Buckler a boss token item

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Sat, 07/27/2013 - 13:20

Fehzor

Currently, I see T2 players using it. This is fitting, as it is a T2 item, but lets ask ourselves- Is this an item for new players? I'd say no. That new players should learn how to use a shield more, that swiftstrike is an ultimate of sorts for the glass cannon playstyle. It isn't just a normal shield that should be attainable within minutes. A lot of these players view the shield requirement of the hall of heroes as a tremendous joke. Why should they get a 5* shield when they already the best shield in the game?

It should cost 30 tokens from each boss. That would ensure that players would value it, that it would be sought after, and that it would be a rarity. But it would still be attainable after a bit of work, which is how I think items should be for the most part.

Players that already have one would keep it, and players with the recipe learned would be compensated.

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 13:23

Little-Juances

" Why should they get a 5* shield when they already the best shield in the game? "

Because they have to, Tier clearance :P

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 13:44

Fehzor

Yeah, and that sucks. Then we see them trying to beat FSC ahead of time to get ancient plate shield so they can use their 3* shield that they already have.

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 14:46

Klipik-Forum

"It should cost 30 tokens from each boss."

Then it had better give a whole lot more than just ASI high. Maybe ASI VH, MSI low, universal dmg bonus low, and make it 2* health/defense instead? Maybe some status weaknesses?

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 15:31

Krakob

@Klipik

Pretty sure status weakness doesn't work on shields. Regardless, lowering health/defence won't matter because pretty much everything in T3 already takes it out in one hit.

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 16:37

Fehzor

The reason I say 30 from every boss, is that it should be a relatively hard to get token item. It represents an entire play-style; the glass cannon. 30 from every boss puts it at a value of around 80Kishhh crowns by our current standards. This will be even easier to get after the update next week. I currently have over a hundred of every boss token item, save for snarbolax, which I refuse to run because of the energy cost and playing at a loss etcetera.

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 20:22

Zeddy

Every time you actually block a hit with swiftstrike buckler, it should explode and deal extra damage to the user.

Sat, 07/27/2013 - 20:34

Klipik-Forum

ooh! ooh!

And it should give a health bonus of -5.

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 02:03

Beware-The-Reboot

^^^^

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 08:03

Krakob

I don't really see why people find Swiftstrike so overpowered. It's powerful alright but it's worthless as an actual shield in T3. I think Fehzor has a good idea because those nubs should not get it, especially not now. Maybe 30 of all tokens is a bit much, though.

The one thing I just don't understand is why Echo doesn't have a 5* shield.

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 08:15

#10

Fehzor

The point isn't to nerf it. In truth it is rather well balanced in my eyes; rather we want to adjust where it is found in the game so as to force players to branch out and discover the exciting possibilities of not using the same 3* shield for their lifespan.

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 08:26

#11

Krakob

Exactly!

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 10:03

#12

Fireherat

wait let me get this right

you make a star 3 shield a boss item for 30 tokens JUST because you see t2 players use it 24/7 ? THAT JUST PLAIN DUMB! if OOO make it like that they make like that so there no need for it to become a boss item . if noob going to use it , noobs are going to use it .

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 11:40

#13

Hexzyle

The swiftstrike needs to be 5 star. That way its cost will be balanced with its value, it'll allow players Hall of Heroes passage, and we'll stop getting complaint threads that it needs an upgrade tree.

Sun, 07/28/2013 - 16:06

#14

Owlert

I have an even better idea!

It needs to be a shadow lair shield.

20 shadow lair mats from each SL, 100 Elite Orbs of Alchemy, and 3 Zee Cores.

Mon, 07/29/2013 - 10:19

#15

Fehzor

@Fireherat
And yet, new players seem to enjoy the idea of using T3 gear just as much as I do.... but they don't, despite there being cheaper gear for them?

Right now, its kind of like giving fang of vog to T2 players that still get hit all the time- it'd be useless to them, they lack the fire resistance to use it properly... yet here we are, letting them go with a glass cannon set before forcing them to master using their shield. And if they do get used to it early, then getting a defensive shield is just going to be useless.

@Hexzyle

Making it 5 star would be nice; I still like the idea of it being a boss token item, but making it 5* would be appropriate here as well. As long as it keeps its properties, and behaves like a 3* item.

@Owlert

I wouldn't be opposed to that either. Except for the 20 shadow lair mats. I'd really have to say 1 of each shadow lair material, and then only a handful of other things though. But it'd be up to the devs what to make it cost anyway.

Mon, 07/29/2013 - 13:34

#16

Krakob

If Swiftstrike is 5*, which shield is Echo wearing? This is also a solution, btw. It shouldn't be changed stat-wise, though.

EDIT: after extensive research, I can conclude that Echo is a cheating jerkface.

Tue, 07/30/2013 - 15:28

#17

Echo-Twothree

Nu.

Just because you have 100 of every token does not mean everyone else does. 30 from each is way too much. Maybe 30 from snarby, 25 from jelly king, 15 from roarmulus twins, and 10 from vanaduke.
Maybe make it an actual drop from a boss. Maybe an extremely rare prize wheel item.

Tue, 07/30/2013 - 15:29

#18

Echo-Twothree

oops

Oops. Lag caused me to double post.

Tue, 07/30/2013 - 19:44

#19

Klipik-Forum

@Echo

I think you completely missed the part where this thing is supposed to be hard to get.

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