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Calling out nick [yes developer nick] inquiries about shield bash + sprites usage!

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Sat, 08/03/2013 - 17:52
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis

Hey Nick first off this is not a suggestion. I am having a hard time understanding why when I shield bash out of a mob am I able to get hit from the front. In the animation your shield is clearly blocking your body. I understand that you should be able to get hit from behind. Was this over looked.

Also in regards to sprite usage. When your knight has a weapon charged you cannot cast spells with your sprite. Isn't the sprite it's own entity where you should be able to do multiple tasks at once?

Anyways if you could share your input on this it would be appreciated.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:13
#1
Kraanx's picture
Kraanx
1) this should go in the new

1) this should go in the new recruits section
2) sheild bash never really shields you from anything: its an entirely offensive move
3) your knight has to point for your sprite to attack, so he has to have his hands free.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:18
#2
Owlert's picture
Owlert
.

Why would this belong in New Recruits?

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:24
#3
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
1]why would it go in

1]why would it go in new?
2]shield - A broad piece of metal or another suitable material, held by straps or a handle attached on one side, "used as a protection against blows..."
3]Seems pretty irrelevant that your knight needs to be pointing for a sprite to aid you in battle. Id rather charge regular attacks then to depend on a weaker sprite attack....

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:26
#4
Yaboydwayne
kraanx u must be new or

kraanx u must be new or sumthin we the best mane

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:26
#5
Yaboydwayne
fatality call me johnny

fatality call me johnny cage

dis a no fly zone

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:39
#6
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
It also seems silly that the

It also seems silly that the monsters still try to fight you everytime. They should just stand still when they spawn.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:42
#7
Janem's picture
Janem
Helpful and friendly!

Hello young squire. You are probably thinking to yourself right now: what does this guy have to say to me?

Well, first of all, you can't cast "spells" while charging because that would be cheap with maskeraith. People just charge up blitz or hammer or whatever and cloak, then get behind a Trojan and bam! Instakill (except on elite with four players and tier 3). Also, did you notice that you use the 'point' action when commanding your sprite to attack? You can't really point while charging up, now can you?

As for the shield thing, I have no clue -.- don't bother OOO on this one.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:49
#8
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
@demonicsothe - Apparently

@demonicsothe - Apparently your brain can't understand logic.

@Janem - Thats why spells have a cool down. Use it wisely if you want to proc a charge on a trojan why not?
And in regards to the "shield thing" I most definitely want to bother OOO with this one. I'm sick of taking unnecessary damage when I shouldn't be!

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 18:55
#9
Fastdinoturtle's picture
Fastdinoturtle
Replys'N'stuff

@Yaboydwayne (Both comments) I have No idea what your talking about.

@Demonicsothe If Monster just stand and Idling There will be No fun and challeng Of this Game. Infact i Won't Even be a game Without a challenge.

@Nick Why Deosn't this forum support Replying?

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:00
#10
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
I truly cannot comprehend why

I truly cannot comprehend why you would want to use shield bash, a move Nick said was risky, should be the be all end all solution to your problems. Shielding is faster than using bash, and safer.

Actually, how did you even play this game before the shield bash update?

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:05
#11
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
@demonicsothe - You cannot

@demonicsothe - You cannot comprehend because you are simply under my level and i'm fairly certain i'll out play you in every aspect of this game.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:12
#12
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
You sure? I mean, you can't

You sure? I mean, you can't shield bash to block, and use sprites when doing other stuff.

It's a huge handicap.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:23
#13
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
Sorry for wondering why a

Sorry for wondering why a skill doesn't function properly (at least logically?)

Sprites were meant to aid I fail to see how someone would want to use a sprite over a standard attack. especially if you were in trouble. Good thing you have to point cause surely your knight couldn't just shout a command to your pet right? dumbass.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:31
#14
Addy's picture
Addy
You can attack while a sprite

You can attack while a sprite is attacking. As you approach the enemy, use the sprite skill, then attack.

Just .. experiment? Take a moment to think about what you're doing and adapt accordingly. Not every moment needs to be sword swinging, you should know how to kite and strafe safely. When you can't get in to attack, you can use your sprite.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:33
#15
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
@addy did you even read what

@addy did you even read what i first posted WHEN CHARGED.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:38
#16
Addy's picture
Addy
I did, and I am, like the

I did, and I am, like the others who posted here, of the opinion that you don't need to be able to use sprite skills while charging. I do just fine without it and I believe the mechanic is fine without it, and offered alternatives.

Charging your weapon is meant to be a risky behavior for greater payout since it leaves you open to enemy attacks, being able to attack WHILE charging or combo it with your skills (such as the Maskeraith's invisible skill, or the Seraphynx's bubble shield) would leave you fully protected.

high risk high reward attacks thusly become no risk high reward attacks. Where's the fun in that?

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:40
#17
Qwao's picture
Qwao

If you want to talk about logic, I want to know how I can fire a magnus shot, which is clearly a solid bullet unlike energy guns such as alchemers, that is clearly twice-triple the size of its original shot. I mean how the heck does it even fit in there.

And when we dash we just perform this forward hop-skip thing and bam, suddenly we fly into a wall of Polaris bullets taking no damage, not even getting affected by knockback.

And where are we getting infinite shells? Do the guns synthesize energy into shells? I mean just look at Autoguns, Magnus lines and Antigua lines. Needles too.

Rambling aside, I think when we are commanding our sprite we have to point to the area where we want them to attack or something. Yes it's kind of silly, but when you think about it if you were able to say activate maskeraith's cloak while charged that kinda kills how the cloak was supposed to work in the first place anyway.

And all this, mind you, are simply my own views on things.
Screw logic and enjoy the game for what it's worth. I mean come on, it's a game.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:58
#18
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Logically, how do battle

Logically, how do battle sprites evolve into only three different types? How come they each have different skills even though their energy readings are the same? Nonetheless, I will reply to your question.

A shield bash was meant for the offensive use of shields, other than bumping. To my best guess, it was added in order to aid knights who had somehow gotten themselves stuck in a corner but do not have the ability to shield bump out of it. Or, it was to give knights who had taken no status equipments and require that slight bit of advantage in taking down a particularly tough monster/group. But if you truly want to question why something work the way you want, nobody can stop you. But it is the devs who choose how something works, and I see nothing wrong with the shield bash mechanics.

We don't need it. You might want it, but you don't need it. This thread deals with the same question you have, namely why can't certain actions take place while using a sprite ability. If you wish to argue the logic of using a voice command, my knight doesn't have a mouth. Or perhaps you want to add some sort of connection between the sprite and your knight. Well, that technology hasn't been developed yet.

Is your logic satisfied?

Edited for link

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:47
#19
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
@addy when you train a dog do

@addy when you train a dog do you point to tell it to do actions or do you tell it to do something? Also that's why there are cooldowns to make that [stuff] not over powered.

@qwao I agree with this game having silly antics and crazy content. But I dont see what the big deal is when a spell has a cooldown and if i wanna use it while and when i'm charged. that cooldown is still going to exist after.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 19:59
#20
Poppinuzis's picture
Poppinuzis
@demonicsothe - The point is

@demonicsothe - The point is you getting hit from a frontal attack when you've casted shield bash while a shield is clearly up in front and you get hurt for it makes no sense. It's basically the same physics as your regular block but it has a movement dash on it and a cooldown. It should work like a shield and stay active like shield until it breaks. [after all you cannot cast this move with a broken shield].

In regards to sprite again see above.

also heading out now i expect answers nick.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:00
#21
Yaboydwayne
@Fastdinoturtle@Addy@Demoni

@Fastdinoturtle
@Addy
@Demonicsothe

I could be real nice or I could be real mean. I could get down and dirty or I could be real clean. I could get real quiet or I could get real loud. I might just walk inside the club and just spazz out.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:04
#22
Qwao's picture
Qwao

Firstly, it's not about the cooldown (I think anyway). For things like Maskeraith's shadow cloak getting hit or attacking cancels it, so being able to use it while charged up kinda conflicts with that. This is probably the most prominent example I can think of.

On the shield, why not take a second opinion?

Let's look at it this way. Our shield is nothing more than a generator. It generates that energy shield around us. Even if we're not facing the impact our behinds are still saved by that energy shield/dome. And when this dome breaks, the shield can't protect us at all, even if we face forward.

I don't see the same energy dome when the shield bash is performed. Think of it as it uses the energy from the dome to charge forward and knockback/stun enemies. However, without that dome, the shield protects against nothing.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:09
#23
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
It isn't the same mechanic.

It isn't the same mechanic. It doesn't knock things away from you in an aoe. And a shield/shield bump does not deal damage.

Refer to the thread link to learn how a sprite can still aid without being able to be activated in certain situations.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:20
#24
Addy's picture
Addy
@addy when you train a dog do

@addy when you train a dog do you point to tell it to do actions or do you tell it to do something? Also that's why there are cooldowns to make that [omgbadwords] not over powered.

mmm, you didn't even read my post, but try again next time luv. <3 You're comparing a fictional floating dragon/cat/ghost robot to a real-life dog and really just whining about everything not being 100% what you want, not even momentarily considering the ramifications of the skill working the way you think is best. The devs likely considered your option and for whatever reason they chose to make it this way. Several of us gave reasons why it can't be that way but oh no it's a dog it has to do exactly what we tell it to do and when otherwise it's GARBAGE, right

also way to get by the filters I'm pretty sure that's enough to get you temp-banned :O

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:44
#25
Qwao's picture
Qwao

Demonic that link is broken >:L

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 20:59
#26
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Wow

That link is bad, I am bad, and I should feel bad.

Fixed it

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 21:35
#27
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
This thread in a nutshell

Hey guys, I want your opinion on a matter, but if you disagree with me I'm going to be a prick to you.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 21:39
#28
De-Xstroyer's picture
De-Xstroyer
Its for balance purposes. To

Its for balance purposes. To change either of those things would interfere with game balance. I think the devs know what they're doing in this case.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 21:59
#29
Klipik-Forum's picture
Klipik-Forum
agreed with hex

You are completely vulnerable when performing a shield bash because it would be overpowered if you were protected. Logic is overlooked in this case in favor of balance.

Same thing with the sprite usage, it would be overpowered if you could do both at once. And, as someone pointed out somewhere as a logic solution, your knight points at a target for the sprite to attack! How is he supposed to do that when holding a weapon charge and glowing like a star?

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 22:04
#30
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
And before anyone says shout command

We don't have mouths. Our gear might have mouths, but we don't. And if we do, it's not function. We communicate with each other through the comms implanted in our heads. Or elsewhere. And we havne't have the gear to communicate with the little sprites.

Sat, 08/03/2013 - 23:54
#31
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Demonicsothe

Um. We actually do have mouths.

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 00:03
#32
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
But nothing says we have the

But nothing says we have the vocal cords available to produce sounds that can be considered language.

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 00:08
#33
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Demonicsothe

Nothing says we don't. :/

There are heaps of ways to communicate, the developers just made pointing because it's simple and concise for the player to understand.

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 00:22
#34
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
But... but...

But logic...

D:

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 00:37
#35
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Demonicsothe

There's not some secret reason behind everything the developers do. Sometimes they just do something because it's the first thing that comes to their mind, and works well.

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 01:12
#36
Lukehandkooler's picture
Lukehandkooler
@demonicsothe - You cannot

@demonicsothe - You cannot comprehend because you are simply under my level and i'm fairly certain i'll out play you in every aspect of this game.

I got 50k Cr on Demon.

~Luke

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 01:14
#37
Lukehandkooler's picture
Lukehandkooler
@demonicsothe - You cannot

Edit- Dat DP #O.o

Sun, 08/04/2013 - 01:49
#38
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
plz no

I grinded some lockdown today and got destroyed

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